Evangelion 3.33 You (Cannot) Have It

AironicallyHuman said:
Given the third remake film has received scathing reviews, even on 7-10/10 ratings only MAL, I can't say I am too fussed about the dub delay confusion. But it is a bizarre situation if it's true Anno & co are unhappy with the dub, rather than the quality of the film, given I doubt the voices were changed from the prequels and - Akatsuki no Yona aside - Funimation's dubs are usually pretty damn good.

The problem seems to be that Anno & Co. came to the shock realisation that the English dub wasn't a word for word 100% accurate recreation of the Japanese script. Obviously FUNi didn't want to rerecord their dub, and there seems to have been some disagreements over that.

Seems weird to me than it was only noticed after FUNi had recorded the dub, as I would have thought the dub script had to go in for approvals.
 
End of Eva is coming to Blu Ray soon. In Japan. It's coming as part of the Revival of Eva blu ray set. The reason why it hasn't come to the west on BR is probably due to the rights nightmare that is Eva although it could also be down to the JP BR not being available until now.
 
IncendiaryLemon said:
End of Eva is coming to Blu Ray soon. In Japan. It's coming as part of the Revival of Eva blu ray set. The reason why it hasn't come to the west on BR is probably due to the rights nightmare that is Eva although it could also be down to the JP BR not being available until now.

I've also heard it rumoured that they're not allowing anyone to licence the TV series or End of Evangelion until after 4.0 is released.
 
That does make sense, I guess: Funimation never do word-for-word literal adaptations. That's kinda their selling point: editing for Western viewers whilst not changing the overall context. Easy to see them doing something that would irk Anno, but again it's odd that a substantial amount of content would need re-doing and that this was not an issue in the first two.

I did wonder why Evangelion (TV) hadn't been released on Blu-ray yet. Those 'platinum' DVDs ain't getting any prettier, after all. It would be daft to have the TV series/movie compete with the remake movie sales, though.
 
AironicallyHuman said:
I did wonder why Evangelion (TV) hadn't been released on Blu-ray yet. Those 'platinum' DVDs ain't getting any prettier, after all. It would be daft to have the TV series/movie compete with the remake movie sales, though.

I think the Platinum set looks fine. Sure, a BR set would be better but its miles better than the poor quality of the perfect collection.
 
AironicallyHuman said:
That does make sense, I guess: Funimation never do word-for-word literal adaptations. That's kinda their selling point: editing for Western viewers whilst not changing the overall context. Easy to see them doing something that would irk Anno, but again it's odd that a substantial amount of content would need re-doing and that this was not an issue in the first two.

No it's not. Japanese companies seem to have failed completely at picking up on their own inability to understand and translate into English successfully and it's bloody annoying.

I would have personally thought most creators and companies would be willing to sacrifice a bit of accuracy to have a work that was vaguely intelligible to the audience , but apparently not. And do not even get me started on the moron that changed GOD EATER to GODS EATER outside of Japan - why would you change something that made perfect sense as it was?
 
No idea where to post this so I thought that I'd post it in here. A little write up that I did on the upcioming Evangelion Blu-ray set.

Neon Genesis Evangelion Blu-ray Box / Archives of Evangelion remastering process:
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Since the Eva Blu-ray is out in days, I thought that I read up on it a bit. The project itself took over 5 years, starting in 2010 with a year being spent on color correcting and many other little fixes, with the assistance of Anno and his instructions. The project itself was done by Sony PCL Co, the same people who did the 2003 Renewal of Evangelion DVD set. At 5 years, the Eva Blu-ray set is probably the longest they've worked on a single project. Overall, they spent around 10x longer on Eva than any other series. Sony PCL Co received new equipment around the announcement of the Eva Blu-ray and have made use of the new equipment.
Speaking of which, the last telecine was also done back in 2003 with the release of the Renewal of Evangelion DVD set, and even though the color and such was worked on with that release, the technology has changed a lot since then and thus more improvements were made for the move to HD. The biggest change to the 2003 DVD release was the 5.1 audio. Not only has the telecine technology improved vastly since but the television sets themselves that we use to watch our shows on have changed too so all of this had to be taken into consideration when getting the colors right. During those 5 years they cleaned up the film, removed dirt and scratches and such. They used the detailed list of changes King Records documented with the 2003 release when working on this set. In the end they made around 600 instances of fixing the picture where they missed the last time back on 2003, but since this was a new master, they also had to redo all of the previous fixes that they did do on the 2003 DVD set.
The show itself is 16mm while the OP and ED are 35mm. During the development of the 2003 DVD set, the original 16mm negatives for Episode 16 (including the preview segments) were lost, and so they had to remaster the episode using a 35 mm internegatives. This time around they utilized a new up-converting technique called 'Real Scaling for HD' for Episode 16.

They also encountered many other little issues, for example in Episode 9 (Moment, Heart, Together | Both of You, Dance Like You Want to Win!) there's a timer in the bottom corner during the final fight, however this timer wasn't included in the original film so they had to go back frame by frame and add it. Being film, a lot of the texts and such were cel overlaid.
One of the biggest problems they had was funnily enough Ritsuko's eyebrows as they couldn't get the color right, so they actually had to consult with King Records, Gainax members who worked on the series and Anno on whether or not to change or fix things. Ritsuko's hair color changes in the show but the eyebrow color stays the same. They found that when looking back, sometimes her eyebrows on the 2003 DVD would look more gold than brown so they wanted to get it right.
They also talked about how neither King Records or Tokyo TV knew which tapes were which when inquiring about the original broadcast version, however a Sony PCL member had VHS copies of the original broadcast including the commercials and bumpers and so they used them as comparison. The new DVD set includes the announcers and sponsors (commercial bumper) that appeared back on the TV airing, but not the commercials themselves.
"Then again that's what we were trying to produce. 2-3 years prior we would have given up due to technical limitation and now there's hurdles of time and cost. Yet as an engineer you don't really want to say that something's not possible, especially when you know that it can technically be done. So ultimately it was a question of spending a whole lot of time on it".

"It's a really detailed anime, so there were many things that had to be done by hand. Some parts we did five times over. Things like newspaper articles really add to the setting and they should be much more readable this time around."
 
Cheers for the post Qaiz. I've seen bits and pieces of information about this already, but it's nice to have everything consolidated for easy reading. The sheer amount of work and attention to detail that's gone into the project over the last five years sounds pretty amazing. I think I'll be keeping my pre-order for the BD Box.
 
Is there any info on why they couldn't use the 35mm interneg as a basis of restoration? Sure, it's not ideal, but I find it hard to believe that the outcome would be less desirable than even a good upscale of an SD source? I suppose that the answer will be 'cost'
 
qaiz said:
Evangelion was shot on 16mm outside of the OP and ED which are 35mm.

I meant specifically Episode 16, as you said that's what they used back in 2003. Presumably it's a blow-up
 
At first I couldn't tell much of a difference between the old and new but after I opened both images instead of looking at the thumbnails, oh my. They've cleaned up the image a lot, it looks really nice. Also, 1080p EoE *drool*
 
I couldn't see the difference either aside from what looked like a loss of detail in the bottom left corner when comparing the tank pictures.

Then I full screened and saw we weren't loosing detail but gaining extra pixels on either side. wow. Never before seen pixels in NGE???
 
qaiz said:
Comparisons:
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Pre-"Renewal" Rebirth DVD (1999):
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Archives DVD Box Rebirth (2015):
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Renewal EOE (2003):
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Rebirth Blu-ray (2015):
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EOE Blu-ray (2015):
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Is that second one down really from the new DVD box? That's the worst of the bunch by a wide margin. Perhaps the colours are more correct but it's blurry and edge-enhanced as hell.

Most of the BD caps look very nice though.
 
All the BD shots I've seen look utterly fantastic - better than I imagined they would be to be honest. Colours are looking very solid and bright.
 
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