That's relatable, @ayase - the way that our lives are organised (for us) sets us up to form social circles at school and in further education, then kind of cuts us loose afterwards with no real avenue for finding other oddballs who aren't satisfied with the groups they have. Especially when those groups begin shrinking due to moving/relationships/kids/deaths even before considering simply drifting apart emotionally.
I left the education system early and never formed any social circles there that I didn't dump the moment I was out of it all, so I'm aware that I missed a big chance to make some lasting bonds. I'm not a very sociable person. Had I not been dragged into another group of friends (who of course met at university) by happenstance through a now-defunct regional anime club, I think I could easily have been writing the same post you made last night. It's difficult to understand how new relationships work; I can go to an event and smile and talk to people but it's all performative, with everyone trying so hard to give off a good impression that they pretend to be milquetoast cardboard cut-outs of actual people. (Or in some cases, apparently trying to actively give off a bad impression. There have been some social interactions I've had with strangers which have really left me scratching my head!)
Actually connecting with new people in a meaningful way is very difficult. And there are definitely 'types' of people I find easier to deal with, which is why I enjoy your posts in particular. My partner is the same way, not filtering words or opinions, and even if we disagree it's always enjoyable to have a mutually respectful debate. Sensing that the other person is holding back or worrying about offending me makes me feel far more anxious than if they just came out and said that I was being an annoying moron. The truth is never as bad as the stress of navigating a relationship in the dark.
As I get older I've come to believe that the people who seem to be best at socialisation are actually kind of bad at it; it's easy to have lots of friendly relationships with people if you never discuss anything challenging, and it's easy to deal with major disagreements if you never really listen to what other people are saying in the first place. I've written that in a biased way because I simply cannot interact with people on that level but it really seems to work for those who enjoy that way of life. They're always surrounded by other people and opportunities. I only have a small number of friends offline - less than half a dozen - and they all live far away from me now. But each one of them is worth a thousand 'simple' relationships because I can talk openly to them and not worry about living up to some idealised standard. Making new friends feels impossible now that I know what I want because who else is going to accept me so completely - and be trustworthy enough for me to accept in return? And I'm part of the problem because I have a habit of ghosting people whenever things get too friendly and avoiding real world meet ups. I probably only stuck with my existing social circle because one of them married me and it was too difficult to avoid getting close to the others.
Not really sure what I was going for with this ramble...! I'm really happy that this forum has such an open group of regulars, though, and that we can talk about complicated real life things freely.
R
I left the education system early and never formed any social circles there that I didn't dump the moment I was out of it all, so I'm aware that I missed a big chance to make some lasting bonds. I'm not a very sociable person. Had I not been dragged into another group of friends (who of course met at university) by happenstance through a now-defunct regional anime club, I think I could easily have been writing the same post you made last night. It's difficult to understand how new relationships work; I can go to an event and smile and talk to people but it's all performative, with everyone trying so hard to give off a good impression that they pretend to be milquetoast cardboard cut-outs of actual people. (Or in some cases, apparently trying to actively give off a bad impression. There have been some social interactions I've had with strangers which have really left me scratching my head!)
Actually connecting with new people in a meaningful way is very difficult. And there are definitely 'types' of people I find easier to deal with, which is why I enjoy your posts in particular. My partner is the same way, not filtering words or opinions, and even if we disagree it's always enjoyable to have a mutually respectful debate. Sensing that the other person is holding back or worrying about offending me makes me feel far more anxious than if they just came out and said that I was being an annoying moron. The truth is never as bad as the stress of navigating a relationship in the dark.
As I get older I've come to believe that the people who seem to be best at socialisation are actually kind of bad at it; it's easy to have lots of friendly relationships with people if you never discuss anything challenging, and it's easy to deal with major disagreements if you never really listen to what other people are saying in the first place. I've written that in a biased way because I simply cannot interact with people on that level but it really seems to work for those who enjoy that way of life. They're always surrounded by other people and opportunities. I only have a small number of friends offline - less than half a dozen - and they all live far away from me now. But each one of them is worth a thousand 'simple' relationships because I can talk openly to them and not worry about living up to some idealised standard. Making new friends feels impossible now that I know what I want because who else is going to accept me so completely - and be trustworthy enough for me to accept in return? And I'm part of the problem because I have a habit of ghosting people whenever things get too friendly and avoiding real world meet ups. I probably only stuck with my existing social circle because one of them married me and it was too difficult to avoid getting close to the others.
Not really sure what I was going for with this ramble...! I'm really happy that this forum has such an open group of regulars, though, and that we can talk about complicated real life things freely.
R