Neon Genesis Evangelion
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hopeful_monster
Thousand Master
Ark said:
This has nothing to do with Eva Haters, he's just speaking out of his arse.
However i we're talking about what's wrong with Eva there was wonderful skit at Amecon giving two possible eva products
Evangelion Condensed Edition- Same effect as watching Eva in a faction of the time.
Evangelion Emo Free Edition- the entire audience cheered and clapped for 5 minutes after this was shown.
for the full skit see here
CitizenGeek
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That guy that Ark posted is obviously an idiot, who takes himself too seriously. The only character he could relate to was Kaji? wtf? I'm not a usually sad person, nothing tragic has happenend to me (like it has to Asuka and Shinji) but I can still relate to Shinji and Asuka. Asuka's jealously, Shinji's apprehension at being in a new place. If you can't relate to these things, then your obviously just trying not to!
I don't understand Eva haters, really. Fair enough if you didn't like the anime, but saying it's a "terrible" or a "bad anime" is just plain ridiculous! If you think that Evangelion is a bad anime, then your standards are absurdly high!
Then the stuff people say about the End of Eva movie like "it's just a big f*ck you to the fans that were disapointed with Anno's series ending" - that's utter crap! The whole 'thing' about Eva's ending is almost all wrong. Gainax did not run out of money and Anno did not just go crazy for two eps. What happenend is this: Gainax were taking so long to make the eps that they were literally running the Beta tapes over to TV Tokyo on bicycles minutes before the show was set to air. Because of this, the TV execs were unable to view the episodes beforehand and so just trusted that it would be okay to air. However, ep 24 ended with a bang (Shinji kills his friend, Kaworu by squeezing his head off). TV Tokyo went apeshit! You can't show this at family viewing time on TV. TV Tokyo demanded to see the storyboards for the final two eps (which I guess resembled the End of Eva) and they said "no way!" so Anno had two weeks left to come with a new ending and that's why we got what we got in the last two eps. After Gainax made so much money on Eva, they were quite clueless about tax and ended up with a lot of trouble with the tax officials in Japan. The resulting fine nearly bankrupted Gainax and I think this is where the "they ran out of money" myth comes from. The End of Eva was Anno's way of properly concluded the story, not as a way of saying "f*ck you* to the fans.
I don't understand Eva haters, really. Fair enough if you didn't like the anime, but saying it's a "terrible" or a "bad anime" is just plain ridiculous! If you think that Evangelion is a bad anime, then your standards are absurdly high!
Then the stuff people say about the End of Eva movie like "it's just a big f*ck you to the fans that were disapointed with Anno's series ending" - that's utter crap! The whole 'thing' about Eva's ending is almost all wrong. Gainax did not run out of money and Anno did not just go crazy for two eps. What happenend is this: Gainax were taking so long to make the eps that they were literally running the Beta tapes over to TV Tokyo on bicycles minutes before the show was set to air. Because of this, the TV execs were unable to view the episodes beforehand and so just trusted that it would be okay to air. However, ep 24 ended with a bang (Shinji kills his friend, Kaworu by squeezing his head off). TV Tokyo went apeshit! You can't show this at family viewing time on TV. TV Tokyo demanded to see the storyboards for the final two eps (which I guess resembled the End of Eva) and they said "no way!" so Anno had two weeks left to come with a new ending and that's why we got what we got in the last two eps. After Gainax made so much money on Eva, they were quite clueless about tax and ended up with a lot of trouble with the tax officials in Japan. The resulting fine nearly bankrupted Gainax and I think this is where the "they ran out of money" myth comes from. The End of Eva was Anno's way of properly concluded the story, not as a way of saying "f*ck you* to the fans.
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CitizenGeek said:
Always wondered about that 'ran out of money' rumour/story.
I absolutley loved the series ending and despised the film End of Evangelion. *waits to be abused*
To me it did seem a insult to fans as things happened in the film that were never even hinted at in the entire series, it seemed to me personally he got a 15 certificate for the film and went over the top, i was so angry i switched it off half way through, then managed to get round to watching the rest of it about a week later.
I just hope with Rebuild in the making that Anno can decide on a new ending that honours the series and then he can finally put NGE to rest and stop milking it lol.
Gotta say i'm in love with what i see in the trailers for Rebuild, the animation is beautiful. He's took a risk re-making/retelling it, i hope he does it justice
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Ark said:
That the Lance was retreivable
what a deus ex machina that turned out to be.
And also Misato propositioning Shinji. In the series she was a mother/sister figure and it was never sujested she saw Shinji anny other way.
I'm all for the series ending, i honestly see the film as blasphemous lol.
But i'll admit Asuka's death is an awesome scene. but i liked her series fate better as it shows what piloting EVA and that sort of pressure can have on the human brain.
CitizenGeek
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I understand your disdain for End of Eva, but I think that you'll find that both the series ending and the End of Eva ending are the same ending.
Anyway, a "happily ever after" ending was never, really, going to happen in Eva now, was it?
Anyway, a "happily ever after" ending was never, really, going to happen in Eva now, was it?
CitizenGeek said:
See i see them completely different, the series ending as the psychological strain and the end the characters mental story not the actual plot line.
I see End of Eva as also the psychological strain on the human mind but more predominately finishing the story arc. Coming to decisions i don't believe would have come if the series had a proper conclusion to the story arc. The series seems to show Shinji making the choice over instrumentality when in the film its Rai.
I don't know why i hate it so much it just kind of ruined the series for me, i do personally think Anno's work was affected by the stick and reception the series ending got.
I hope that Rebuild re-asses the ending and will finally give me something to enjoy and fully take in to context the series and class as a story arc ending so i can finally leave NGE alone instead of continiously thinking what couldve been.
Liquid Skin
Magical Girl
EDIT: Whoops, late post there, you answered my question before i posted it.
Personally i liked both endings, they're both so different that its a bit silly to compare the action packed film and the introspective marathon of the final 2 episodes of the original series - its like comparing Lord of the Rings with Memento.
Moreover i prefer the idea that EOE supplements NGE, not replaces it but hey thats just me, you're entitled to your opinion and all that jazz.
EXACTLY the same here, although i'm excited (who couldnt be with more Eva?) i'm worried that this remake will.....well go the way of all remakes (excluding The Thing
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Personally i liked both endings, they're both so different that its a bit silly to compare the action packed film and the introspective marathon of the final 2 episodes of the original series - its like comparing Lord of the Rings with Memento.
Moreover i prefer the idea that EOE supplements NGE, not replaces it but hey thats just me, you're entitled to your opinion and all that jazz.
EXACTLY the same here, although i'm excited (who couldnt be with more Eva?) i'm worried that this remake will.....well go the way of all remakes (excluding The Thing
)Liquid Skin said:EDIT: Whoops, late post there, you answered my question before i posted it.
Personally i liked both endings, they're both so different that its a bit silly to compare the action packed film and the introspective marathon of the final 2 episodes of the original series - its like comparing Lord of the Rings with Memento.
Moreover i prefer the idea that EOE supplements NGE, not replaces it but hey thats just me, you're entitled to your opinion and all that jazz.
EXACTLY the same here, although i'm excited (who couldnt be with more Eva?) i'm worried that this remake will.....well go the way of all remakes (excluding The Thing
Aye i agree with ya mate, tis crazy to compare lol.
Bring on rebuild, released in Japan on Saturday, no fair lol
Hope it gets a fan sub before Christmas, or my Japanese skills increase 1o fold lol
LukasROAR said:
How could that have been stated in the series. Yui did it so only she could have known about it.
LukasROAR said:
She doesn't. She's trying to turn him on to get him out of his funk because she's only able to express herself physically hence, "I wasn't able to be a mother to Shinji".
Ark said:
You misquoted me on the top one, or maybe i'm not understanding your point
I was saying that in the film the lance as if by magic becomes retreivable again when it clearly states in the series that they cannot get it back.
Therefore a deus ex machina of sorts.
I understand what you say about the Misato situation but i don't believe Misato would ever use that tactic to boost Shinji's morale as i think Shinji states many times that he doesnt find her attractive as to her being a slob so i don't see why her using that tactic would encourage him. And Misato has managed to encourage him many times before and never used this tactic. f it is how you say it's a poor move on Anno's behalf and totally out of Misato's character.I personally don't see it the way you do but thats the beauty of NGE theres so many ways to understand and accept it.
Lol i really can't be bothered to go in to a great debate over what i believe, because it's what i choose to believe whether you think it's fact or not therefore we will continue to disagree on the topic.
It's not fact if you don't consider the movie to be a true ending of NGE.
It's the fact that Yui had the power to recall just seemed to be an excuse to use it, it's loss in psycoligical and physical terms to me meant that mankind was slowly losing all of its options and that the lance (which is a blatant reference to the spear of destiny) was lost to mankind as was a divine presence, they'd lost God in a way. It just was a blatant Deus Ex Machina and was the moment i switched the dvd off in disgust to what he'd turned NGE in to. Thats just my opinion and i'll respect yours. I guess the only way i'd change it is if i could have a long hard chat with Anno san lol
The basic jist is that i don't consider anything that happened in End of Eva to have actually been the exact way the series meant to have ended.
It's not fact if you don't consider the movie to be a true ending of NGE.
It's the fact that Yui had the power to recall just seemed to be an excuse to use it, it's loss in psycoligical and physical terms to me meant that mankind was slowly losing all of its options and that the lance (which is a blatant reference to the spear of destiny) was lost to mankind as was a divine presence, they'd lost God in a way. It just was a blatant Deus Ex Machina and was the moment i switched the dvd off in disgust to what he'd turned NGE in to. Thats just my opinion and i'll respect yours. I guess the only way i'd change it is if i could have a long hard chat with Anno san lol
The basic jist is that i don't consider anything that happened in End of Eva to have actually been the exact way the series meant to have ended.
LukasROAR said:
This is probably going to be my one and only reply to this part of this thread so wether you reply or not is up to you, but I couldn't let this go.
The directors cut of the final few episodes leading up to 25-26/End of Evangelion, ( you 'do' know who the director is and what a 'directors cut' means don't you?
:wink: ), had artwork changes and slight story changes to make the series lead into End of Evangelion rather than 25-26, even the epilogue of episode 24 introduced the first episode of End of Evangelion as the next episode in the chain.So if you go off what the director wanted when he made his 'directors cut' versions, End of Evangelion is the true ending.