Manga Entertainment need to take a chill pill

Rui said:
I'm pretty sure DitVB and Strike Witches will sell 10x what stuff like Seto No Hanayome would here, sadly. Fighting and fan service have always been the two magical ingredients for success.

I don't think they should grovel to us, but they could at least be bally polite.

R
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I dunno, a little bit of damned humility goes a long way in this world.

And, if Bund gets anywhere near the numbers Manga's expecting it'll be because of the stupidity of Twlight fans, there I said it.

Strike Witches will just explod in their faces, end of.

Lawrence said:
Excuse me but did someone just incite that "Strike witches" was a bad choice in terms of licensing by our friendly neighbourhood distributor?
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Right here and If you don't like it, we can settle our differences via the Glaswegian tradition of the Square Go.
 
I cannot imagine there being any serious crossover between Twilight fans and the target audience of Dance in the Vampire Bund in this country.

I bet Strike Witches sells tons because of its reputation, cute girls on the cover and people wanting to find out what all the fuss is about. Also, confused people like my other half who bought it somehow thinking it was a serious take on girls in wartime. I think he wept during the lost panties episode when he finally realised he was wrong.

R
 
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Lawrence said:
But there is nothing not to like about Strike Witches, it contains blatant fanservice
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Isn't that right there a direct reason not to like it?

I must admit though a fan service oriented show set during WW2, now that is bizzare :?
 
Paradox295 said:
What are we on about? The dude that was on about dubs sucking?

Yeah, he's an idiot. Sub only releases don't sell well.

And, if he thinks the anime fandom would be better if everyone stuck to subs...

...well, he's just a hipster.
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The guy that Manga was ranting at likes dubs and isn't even from the UK, he was just replying to a UK based friend who had been bragging that Redline was having a UK release before the US.

See here : http://blogofthenorthstar.com/2011/08/1 ... tle-bitch/

Sure he probably shouldn't have responded as he then did, but Manga really shouldn't be attacking people like that.
 
MikeP said:
Paradox295 said:
What are we on about? The dude that was on about dubs sucking?

Yeah, he's an idiot. Sub only releases don't sell well.

And, if he thinks the anime fandom would be better if everyone stuck to subs...

...well, he's just a hipster.
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The guy that Manga was ranting at likes dubs and isn't even from the UK, he was just replying to a UK based friend who had been bragging that Redline was having a UK release before the US.

See here : http://blogofthenorthstar.com/2011/08/1 ... tle-bitch/

Sure he probably shouldn't have responded as he then did, but Manga really shouldn't be attacking people like that.
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Oh. Now I read the whole thing, yeah. Jerome's being a dick again.

The tweet wasn't even directed at them. He just tagged them.
 
Lawrence said:
vashdaman said:
Lawrence said:
But there is nothing not to like about Strike Witches, it contains blatant fanservice
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Isn't that right there a direct reason not to like it?

I must admit though a fan service oriented show set during WW2, now that is bizzare :?
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Not really because the show has nothing to hide, it's not like the typical "comedy fanservice" anime where some girl will inadvertedly trip over or fall over something, thus *shock horror* revealling their panties to the camera.
No, this time the panties are just there, the producer doesn't have to go out of his way to show off some flesh when it is already in plain sight.
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Perhaps it would be fairer to say that's a reason not to watch it, rather than not to like it.

Given my considerable disdain for exactly that sort of "pardon me, I seem to have accidentally fondled your breasts" type of fanservice, I have a certain amount of respect for shows that can be upfront about what they're delivering. I wouldn't say I hate Strike Witches, because I can tell at a glance that I don't want to watch it, and have no need to form an opinion of it.
 
Rui said:
I cannot imagine there being any serious crossover between Twilight fans and the target audience of Dance in the Vampire Bund in this country.
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If not for the Twilight fans, I'm at a loss as to why they even got it in the first instance, are they that desperate in hoping people read the comic and just decided to ignore the train-wreck of the cartoon that they'll hoodwink a couple of thousand sales?

Rui said:
I bet Strike Witches sells tons because of its reputation, cute girls on the cover and people wanting to find out what all the fuss is about. Also, confused people like my other half who bought it somehow thinking it was a serious take on girls in wartime. I think he wept during the lost panties episode when he finally realised he was wrong.R
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My dearest condolences for your significant other and the £40 that was lost to the Terrorism of Moe.

And honestly, if it sells, it will only show how poorly informed (or how deliberately stupid, given the average technical whit of your given anime fan) the UK anime market is.

Shiroi Hane said:
I liked Strike Witches despite the fanservice.
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Some people like drinking bleach too, doesn't mean I have to entertain the idea.
 
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ConanThe3rd said:
If not for the Twilight fans, I'm at a loss as to why they even got it in the first instance, are they that desperate in hoping people read the comic and just decided to ignore the train-wreck of the cartoon that they'll hoodwink a couple of thousand sales?
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It's aimed at guys. A lot of guys out there aren't averse to the idea of a feisty young-looking vampire girl running around in a flimsy piece of cloth, doing what vampires do. The cover art alone speaks volumes about the target audience. You might not be in that target audience yourself, but it doesn't mean everyone who is is being tricked by the dark lords at Manga UK.

Anyway, I've decided why the whole exchange this time completely irritated me (including the later comments and those this morning with the off colour 'jokes' about the quality of Asian anime exporters). Manga UK has penniless students as its target market. It relies on shifting loads of copies of cut price, dub-equipped DVDs/blu-rays (sometimes...) to this market. It's generally been very successful doing so and I wish them the best, however as I am not a penniless student I find it quite irritating that they seem to expect people like me (I identify somewhat with the guy they flamed this time) to accept this product too, when perfectly legal alternatives are available.

Beez have a completely different approach and aim more expensive, often sub-only (lately) stuff at a smaller, wealthier market. Therefore, I tend to import Manga UK titles and buy local for Beez. I feel that my money is going towards the future of the anime industry when Beez are picking up things the US doesn't have yet and sending them my way, whereas with Manga I feel as though I am generally buying inferior (PAL converted and region locked) versions of a product just to be honourable to my home market. If I send my money Funi's way, it improves the chance of the sequel being brought to the English market. If I send my money Manga's way, it has no overall effect, unless Funi already sold enough copies to other people to make a sequel worth picking up and dubbing.

It is aggravating when they then make fun of the older, richer fans in public that way. If they want to change my behaviour, my money is ready for them to take, but they're not going to do it by continuing to completely ignore my market segment and then turning around and flaming it for not buying things aimed at a completely different kind of customer.

Argh!

R who might have Twilight on blu-ray.
 
Rui said:
ConanThe3rd said:
If not for the Twilight fans, I'm at a loss as to why they even got it in the first instance, are they that desperate in hoping people read the comic and just decided to ignore the train-wreck of the cartoon that they'll hoodwink a couple of thousand sales?
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It's aimed at guys. A lot of guys out there aren't averse to the idea of a feisty young-looking vampire girl running around in a flimsy piece of cloth, doing what vampires do. The cover art alone speaks volumes about the target audience. You might not be in that target audience yourself, but it doesn't mean everyone who is is being tricked by the dark lords at Manga UK.
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I think you're overselling Manga's attempts at cooperate evil. Unless you count Team Rocket as your yard stick of evil...

Hell, I think Skeltor succeeded more than Manga.
 
They're being pretty indecisive on what people have to tweet for the K-ON competition (First it's #GoGoManiac , then it's @GoGoManiac , then it's #GoGoMc)...

Wonder if someone needs a day off? xD
 
Lawrence said:
Not really because the show has nothing to hide, it's not like the typical "comedy fanservice" anime where some girl will inadvertedly trip over or fall over something, thus *shock horror* revealling their panties to the camera.
No, this time the panties are just there, the producer doesn't have to go out of his way to show off some flesh when it is already in plain sight.
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Good point. While its still not my cuppa personally, I don't actually have a problem with shows that are simply fan service for the sake of it. My main beef is when they go out of their way as you say to cram fan service into places it shouldn't be i.e: kids programs, relatively mature dramas ect,ect.

At least Strike Witches wears its shame on its sleeve :p
 
Going out and calling yourself a criminal doesn't absolve you of the crime. It just makes the act of catching you that much easier.

The fact that Strike Witches is a shameless fanservice show should be a massive klaxon that wails any time anyone gets near it screaming "DON'T BUY THIS CRAP!" constantly until the would be victim trundles off and buys something more worthy of their time and money.
 
I don't think that many buyers of fanservice shows feel like victims, though. I know I am perfectly happy with the fanservice stuff I buy.

R
 
Wow, I wonder if it's just an auspiciously timed holiday or if they finally realised that flaming people wasn't a fabulous way to get those same people to buy their product. I think Jerome's a nice chap when not in crazy mode, and I hope he comes back refreshed.

I really did get in a bit of a mood at the latest stuff and quietly cancelled my orders for two DVDs >_>;;

(I'll probably reorder them later anyway since I don't want either enough to import rival versions, but it was the principle!)

R
 
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