Currency vs Brexit: GBP Losses

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HellCat said:
A tiny little island that the rest of the world sees as going crazy doesn't have a position of strength.
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The size of the island is irrelevant, we are one of the worlds biggest and strongest economy's, the idea that people wont trade with us is ridiculous. Japan is a relatively small country yet they seem to be doing fine. Ayase is correct Europe is finished.
 
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Other countries want to trade with us, yes, but going from a position negotiating as a block of 22.3% of the world's economy with lots of skilled trade negotiators to one as a single country with 3.4% of the world economy, a ticking timebomb in our backs, half our negotiating team being total newbies and a whole load of international firms who have set up here thinking that this gave them access to 22.3% of the world economy and now finding it will only give them access to 3.4%, causing the government to have to rush around pandering to them individually in order to keep them from fleeing the country?

Anyone who sees that as a position of strength is quite frankly delusional.

Having other countries want to trade with us does not mean we are in a strong position.
 
We might not be in a real position of strength, but that's the angle which May appears to be coming from which (my personal dislike of her government aside) is still the smart thing to do for the country. You can usually ******** people into getting your way if you're both convincing and threatening enough, something the British have always been pretty damn good at historically. Negotiating as a block of countries also doesn't necessarily make you stronger, since you have to deal with the very different political and economic situations in all those other countries and all the delay and compromise that causes.

The public are turning against the multinationals and see them as a threat rather than an asset (rightly so imho) so "If we can't have what we want, screw it and sod the consequences, hard Brexit" is bound to be a popular move with both Labour and Tory voters alike. Outside of London, of course, which is pretty much its own little political island now.
 
HellCat said:
Jeremy Corbyn’s plan to copy Trump’s playbook

Corbyn reportedly agrees to a Trump/Vote Leave inspired rebranding in which he'll promote himself through infamy and emotion over facts.

How does anyone believe this clown is a noble outsider?
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I don't understand what your problem with is? That is exactly what Corbyn should have been doing from the very beginning: Cutting ties completely with the outdated conventional media that has nothing but hatred for him, and embracing the new media platforms to their full efficacy, while also fighting back and not just staying schtum and letting the ******** in the traditional media trample him either. How could anyone disagree that this is the best approach and how does that make him a clown? It doesn't mean he's going to suddenly start insulting Mexicans.
 
Because it's stated that is exactly what the plan is? To make Corbyn into a full on post-truth candidate who courts outrage and lies his arse off, inspired by Trump, Farage and Vote Leave.
 
Corbyn is a busted flush anyway, I know there are people one here who think he's the messiah but he's completely un-electable. Rehashing socialist policies from the 1970's just wont wash it this day and age. He's still not stated where this money pit of cash will come from to brink the railways and such back into public ownership.

His ideas on wage caps are even more bonkers and his refusal to listen to Labours traditional voters means he's dead in the water. As someone who voted labour for many years im most disappointed in the direction they have taken. In truth there is no party that represents me is just two extremes of the political spectrum
 
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Because it's stated that is exactly what the plan is? To make Corbyn into a full on post-truth candidate who courts outrage and lies his arse off, inspired by Trump, Farage and Vote Leave.
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Where is it stated that he will become a racist mentalist? How does aggressively combating the media's spurious treatment of him equal him being a "post-truth Trump"? You're just throwing around names.
 
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Because it's stated that is exactly what the plan is? To make Corbyn into a full on post-truth candidate who courts outrage and lies his arse off, inspired by Trump, Farage and Vote Leave.
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You're certainly not giving someone who's proven so far to be very much his own man (and has steadfastly refused to be told what to do by those around him - wasn't that the criticism before?) much credit for being able to think and act for himself. Corbyn will do what he wants to do and I don't think the picture you're attempting to paint of what's happening fits in with what we know about Corbyn as a person at all.

The utter destruction of the lying, manipulative mainstream media on the other hand is a joy to behold. Say what you like about Trump, but seeing the actual President of the United States tell the press they're a bunch of liars and not give a single **** is amazing. Post-truth? I think the truth only stands to benefit from everybody realising media outlets are all biased liars who skew everything to promote their own agenda. Because they are. And their puffed-up demands of respect deserve to be slapped down the way Trump does, they're deserving of no-one's respect and certainly in no position to hold anyone else to account.
 
Blaize said:
Something I've seen alot of people be confused by is how our government actually works. Now I'm no expert but this fact seems to bypass people. Right now the Conservatives are the controlling party, this means they gained enough MPs in the election to have a majority in the house of parliament. This doesn't mean they run the country outright, what it means is by having a majority they essentially have control over parliament, that is assuming all conservative MPs follow suit when it comes to voting in parliament. Hence why we have these terribly named Chief Whips etc.

When we voted Leave that didn't mean the Conservatives can do whatever they want with out the say of the entirety of Parliament. Every MP has his/her right to an opinion and a Vote on how we Leave the EU. That's how our Government system works. Conservatives have an advantage by having a majority in those debates and votes. That's what 'Winning' the election provided them.

When we vote in a General Election we are voting for the MP we want to represent our constituency in parliament. That's all.
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Posted this back in November before the Government challenge. Listening to alot of Leave voters today it's amazing how many simply don't understand the fundamental way in which Parliament functions. Leave voters are still going to get what they want in the end so I really don't understand the fuss.
 
I think the fuss is that they gave us the illusion of a democratic vote, then said actualy we'll vote on this.
Yes I know how it works and sadly the court ruling today was the correct one. But it's still ******** and Cameron should of handed article 50 in the very next day.
 
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I am so ashamed to be British. This isn't 'negotiating from strength', it's cowardly Trump style evil and actually illegal.

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"Evil" is a bit melodramatic don't you think? It's "evil" to still allow people from EU countries to enter to the UK but to no longer stay for as long as they like, just like people from outside the EU can't at the moment? Are we currently being "evil" to anyone who needs a visa to enter the UK? Are other countries that require UK citizens to obtain visas acting in an "evil" manner towards us?

If this last year in politics has taught me anything, it's that an awful lot of people on every side have become very bloody histrionic. Can we reserve "evil" for say, things like genocide and slavery? If the headline was "Gassing migrants to start in weeks" I'd be on board with the evil label. But as it stands, it's just cheapening the term and contributing to making it worthless in a boy-who-cried-wolf kind of way for when actual evil might come along.

It's not like I have no stake in this, I have close family who live in the EU under free movement. I'm a bit miffed about it as well. But "a bit miffed" is as far as it goes because that's really all the reaction this warrants. There'll still be loopholes and ways around this stuff, there'll be other ways and probably new ways to go and live in EU countries and likewise there'll be ways for EU citizens to come live here. It's not the end of the goddamn world.
 
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