why i love anime why do you

[Rui]

I find it easier to emotionally connect to living, breathing actors so I appreciate anime more as an artform than I do anything else. It makes it harder to watch things, but it also makes other stuff (things that I might sometimes connect with) incredibly rewarding.

I'm the opposite; I find it impossible to relate to most human actors at all. This isn't a criticism of their acting at all, but more perhaps that anime and cartoon characters are a lot more direct and simple, which I find much easier to understand and relate to. I'm a bit of a weirdo in real life, so maybe that's part of it; realistic human beings don't have much crossover with the way I think and live.

In the whole first four seasons of House there was one character I found somewhat relatable despite having absolutely nothing obviously in common with him - Cole, the black Mormon doctor who wasn't in it for very long. Every other character seems incredibly unrealistic to me somehow, even though obviously they are being played and written by real people who put an enormous amount of effort into their portrayals, and none of them have superpowers or crazy facial expressions.

To abstract what I'm trying to say a little, I find it easier to relate to a very simply drawn, expressive character. I don't know anyone who looks like Homer Simpson, but I know awkward middle-aged men without much hair. When Homer Simpson smiles or wails, I can vividly understand what he's thinking and feeling, even though we're not alike. When a real actor wryly smiles or makes a quip, I feel I have no idea at all what they're thinking or feeling. Live action shows seem very difficult to follow for this reason, and they never move me emotionally.

This may not be making any sense at all, sorry.

R

 

[Vashdaman]

Well either way you have to admit that anime is certainly no better in this regard than live action.

Also I'm not so sure that those characters have been desgned like that simply to show that characters with a disability can be postive role models. I understand that not all anime is meant to be realistic, but these characters you've listed are not in any believeable way disabled, therefore its just really for backstory and visual effect and isn't much more relatable to someone who does have a real disability than any other typical character is. I mean guts may have lost his arm or whatever but he can still run around like a madman swinging a sword that must weigh a ton like its nothing, his losing an arm clearly has not impacted his life a great deal, so really how relatable is he to someone who has lost an arm?

I'm not saying it's not good to portray disabled characters in a positive light doing amazing feats, but just if that character is not really living with any kind believable disability then their not that much different from any other typical character that we get.

Just because a character is dispicted with a believable disability it doesn't mean that they have to become figure of pity, in fact thats why we need more of these kind of roles to be dipicted, to change this stereotypical view. Like wise theres no reason a realistically portrayed disabled person can't prove to be inspirational to all.

Have a look at the manga REAL if you get a chance, I think Inoue handles it very well.

Edit: my quoting went a bit bonkers there sorry!

 

[Animefreak17]

wish i never started this thread.

 

[Vashdaman]

wish i never started this thread.

Why? There have been some interesting points made in this thread.


also@ Jaymii
I understand what you mean when you say that anime is escapism and doesn't need to refect deeply(although I think it can). But my point is that there are a lot of children and adults who are currently living with severe disabilities, many of them no doubt enjoy watching anime, I think we should have more variety in protagonists so that they can relate to some as well.
It doesn't have to be wholly realistic, for example you could have a superhero that has a realistic prosthetic arm which he can't use much(rather than a robotic full fuctional arm) but he can still fly and shoot lasers and everything else. Or we could have more of those teen drama anime feature more wheelchair bound children. I understand it's a hard sell but it would be a positive step forward.
Although I do agree with you that we need more positive female characters in anime too. But I've already gone on about that too much in past.

 

[ilmaestro]

I love not having human actors getting in the way of my empathy. Also, not having real life sexy 14 year olds on my TV is a way safer path to take.

 

[Jaymii]

(Basically what vashdaman says...)

I think an awful lot of TV attempts to "show" someone's life. It doesn't paint them as "role models" because that makes them somewhat one-note. They all have grey-areas. They want to show these people's lives, in a more realistic manner. Arguably, Glee does the wish-fulfilment thing sometimes. Glee is a show that comes out of sadness (when its at its best) but it's also given disabled characters the chance to walk/or put them in a positive light. I think it's more important to have role-models, if we're talking about that, that are based in real-life.

The world of FMA deals with some fantastic and interesting ideas, but they are just that. Ed's loss of arm (and Al's loss of his entire body) isn't normal. It makes for interesting pain (of which the best stories always come from) and them the underdogs but it does use them as a plot device more than anything.

Rui, that makes total sense, and fascinates me all the same. I'd love to chuck you some shows and see your reaction like a test-doll. Ha.

 

[Vashdaman]

Yep I completely agree Jaymii

I love not having human actors getting in the way of my empathy. Also, not having real life sexy 14 year olds on my TV is a way safer path to take.

lol.

 

[Animefreak17]

have you notice that some guys really like female characters thinking there really cute and sexy, its not just guys its girls too iv seen girls say they like anime guys to real guys and im going to be straight with all you guys and say that some female characters are hot and sexy and cute thats another reason i like anime. i guess its one of those things like some guys from the past liked chetara from thunder cats and jessica rabbit from who framed roger rabbit and even going back even ferther one guy says that beddy from the flintostons was sexy.

 

[Reaper gI]

Firstly where did you get those figures?

It's not as simple to say that it been set in the present day that it can constantly show product placement. Shows like Bleach or YuYu Hakusho may have periods of the show set in the present world but largely they are set in fantasy setting. The same opportunity are also limited when series have large section set in space like Space Operas or Mecha Series. Other reason can affect a series chances of product placement like if they use a different written language like HUNTER X HUNTER.

I maybe a bit naive myself but I hardly notice any Product Placement in Anime. I couldn't remember any in Black Lagoon, Code Geass or the first Rebuild Eva movie. Even if their WERE, they are some of the biggest Animes in recent year. Not many Animes can hope to match their success and receive their size of audience. Audience size is the crucial factor in Product Placement.

Was looking at the DB tags, which are generaly extensive for most recent shows at least.
Was trying to produce a metric for how much of each genre there was.
High fantasy is about the half the size as mecha or school life.

OreImo was the last show I noticed had lots of real placement in it.
Angel beats! and Gintama are more a piss takes, as they're just advertising one of the producers.

Placement isn't due to lack of space to do it in. Turning all those Wc Danolds etc. into real placement would be a very signifcant amount.

 

[Paradox295]

WARNING - HERE BE SAPPY GIRLY STUFF. PLUS TRACE AMOUNTS OF RANTING :lol:

have you notice that some guys really like female characters thinking there really cute and sexy, its not just guys its girls too iv seen girls say they like anime guys to real guys and im going to be straight with all you guys and say that some female characters are hot and sexy and cute thats another reason i like anime. i guess its one of those things like some guys from the past liked chetara from thunder cats and jessica rabbit from who framed roger rabbit and even going back even ferther one guy says that beddy from the flintostons was sexy.

Yeah, uh, most of /a/ has 'waifus'.

I dunno, I wouldn't say anime girls are better than real girls.
Real women have flaws. Real love is the ability to look over flaws.

No offence, but it just seems like everyone who has a waifu is either:
-A shut-in
-Too much of a pretentious dick to overlook the flaws of women

But, most people on /a/ are probably trolling, but it's sad that there are many people in Japan who are like this.

But, yeah, that's just my opinion on 2D women. Whatever floats your boat, really.

But, for the record. In the case of traps, then definately 2D >>>> 3D. XDD

 

[Animefreak17]

yeah real women have flaws that anime girls or guys dont have ( if your in to anime girls or guys what ever floats ya boat ) i mean its not there falt. there just drawn that way. i mean theres a few thats cute or sexy or are just teasers
mine are
hinata. shippuden
Seras Victoria. hellsing ultimate
and at one point 18 from dragon ball z
i have a few more.
i mean when was the last time you meet an innocent girl like hinata and not slutty or a hot girl that had all the right curves in the right places. come on sometimes the right girls are anime girls and or guy for the girls. i know anime girls are not real but hey we can dream right.

 

[Animefreak17]

i mean when was the last time you meet an innocent girl like hinata and not slutty or a hot girl that had all the right curves in the right places. come on sometimes the right girls are anime girls and or guy for the girls. i know anime girls are not real but hey we can dream right.

Girls like Hinata don't exist because no-one is 'innocent', we all have negative aspects to our personalities.

Also when you get out and about, there are plenty of sexy gals out there and there are plenty who share similar interests to you and I and also aren't 'slutty'.

A little give and take is all that is required.

i sound like a right basterd dont i lol yeah i guess your right........... how ever there is the next best thing people who have the same love for anime as you do right.

 

[Paradox295]

i mean when was the last time you meet an innocent girl like hinata and not slutty or a hot girl that had all the right curves in the right places. come on sometimes the right girls are anime girls and or guy for the girls. i know anime girls are not real but hey we can dream right.

Girls like Hinata don't exist because no-one is 'innocent', we all have negative aspects to our personalities.

Also when you get out and about, there are plenty of sexy gals out there and there are plenty who share similar interests to you and I and also aren't 'slutty'.

A little give and take is all that is required.

i sound like a right basterd dont i lol yeah i guess your right........... how ever there is the next best thing people who have the same love for anime as you do right.

Well, to me, having the same interests as me is more important than looks.

 

[Animefreak17]

i mean when was the last time you meet an innocent girl like hinata and not slutty or a hot girl that had all the right curves in the right places. come on sometimes the right girls are anime girls and or guy for the girls. i know anime girls are not real but hey we can dream right.

Girls like Hinata don't exist because no-one is 'innocent', we all have negative aspects to our personalities.

Also when you get out and about, there are plenty of sexy gals out there and there are plenty who share similar interests to you and I and also aren't 'slutty'.

A little give and take is all that is required.

i sound like a right basterd dont i lol yeah i guess your right........... how ever there is the next best thing people who have the same love for anime as you do right.

Well, to me, having the same interests as me is more important than looks.

*hand on shoulder* me to dude me to

 

[Jaymii]

Now where's the Tachman when you need him?

(Also, damn at me introducing more objectification!).

 

[Warmaster]

Quite simple for me. Anime does and can do things no other genre will even approach. Take Haibane Renmei, one of my faves. It has almost no action, no love story, is outwardly very mellow, inwardly creates a million questions. No other format in the world could do something quite like that.

 

[Neferpitou]

I could carry on arguing my point view, but it's pointless. I could have easily took the cowards way out and said I prefer Anime over Live Action and gave no reason at all. If you don't accept my reasons, tough.

I only gave my opinion for my reason of preference, I am not telling people to follow my view, make your own decision on the matter. But being told to like Live action series just because I think I should or keep watching Live Action until I find a series I like or Live Action is superior in Anime is some regards like it some kind of fact of nature is silly.

My and everyone else opinion is not an absolute truth. Don't think your belief is correct one simply because you think it is. As long as your views or opinion don't harm other person they should be at least be accept without question and don't preach your opinion as its fact.

 

[Jaymii]

No, wait? You weren't arguing preferences. Of course I'm fine with preferences, just like Rui said, and everyone else on the board. It's fine to like animation over live action, obviously. You were arguing specific things; product placement, budgets, and ailments. It just didn't hold much ground - objectively.

 

[Neferpitou]

Again you think your opinion is correct as you consider what you say as objective point view. There's no such thing of having an balance view point. None us can ever have a true balance view point over anything, as we all brought differently and have different experience to shape us.

 

[Paradox295]

Again you think your opinion is correct as you consider what you say as objective point view. There's no such thing of having an balance view point. None us can ever have a true balance view point over anything, as we all brought differently and have different experience to shape us.

...what? :?