UK Child porn ban. 6th April.

CitizenGeek said:
The hysterical reaction to this law on this anime forum is bizarre. It's a law about restricting child pornography ... what's the big deal?
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It has been explained many times that this Bill introduces thought crime into UK Law. That, to most, is a scary prospect.


Kirrirmir said:
I think Britain is going the way of China with it's censorship. Another thing which is bugging me is that alot of anime nowadays has quite a bit of fanservice, and alot of anime nowadays has loli's so i think for us anime fans actually viewing some manner of loli fanservice will be unavoidable.
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Please don't dramatize or scaremonger. This Bill will deem obscene material as illegal. Fanservice in anime is never obscene. For something to be classed as obscene you're talking about nudity that isn't being covered up at minimum. Likelihood is it will also need to involve some actions as well.

Conan-san said:
Of course, all this is has done is grantee that I never vote Labour ever again (Not that I did previously) and view anyone who openly admits to voting them after May 6th to be a gigantic Jackass of the highest order.
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You do realise that the Conseveratives support the Digital Britain act [that you mentioned, but I didn't quote] and, it's very likely they support the CJB too, right?

Also bare in mind, most people are unaware of this bill even being passed. Be honest, are you up to date with every bill that passes through Parliament? A lot of the time these bills take years to implement, you know. So I wouldn't assume anyone who votes Labour to be "a jackass" simply because they put one bill [that you personally don't agree with] through. Sure, don't vote Labour, heck, I wouldn't, but don't criticize others for voting Labour on the basis that you don't like one of their actions. You may have a deeper reason for Labour hatred, but I feel you're over-reacting to the people that will vote for them, and judging people far to easily.

Just remember, people vote for more than just one reason.
 
Godot said:
Kirrirmir said:
I think Britain is going the way of China with it's censorship. Another thing which is bugging me is that alot of anime nowadays has quite a bit of fanservice, and alot of anime nowadays has loli's so i think for us anime fans actually viewing some manner of loli fanservice will be unavoidable.
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Please don't dramatize or scaremonger. This Bill will deem obscene material as illegal. Fanservice in anime is never obscene. For something to be classed as obscene you're talking about nudity that isn't being covered up at minimum. Likelihood is it will also need to involve some actions as well.
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LOL'd so hard. Clearly you haven't seen Ladies v Butlers.
 
Kirrimir said:
LOL'd so hard. Clearly you haven't seen Ladies v Butlers.
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If you classify fan-service as under-aged peoples engaging and/or witnessing sexual acts, then I am very concerned as to what you watch. As I said, let us not dramatize or scaremonger here. It is highly unlikely anything but hentai will be banned.
 
Wait, so what this law is saying i can't look at pictures where they look 18 and under? So me being 19, this law is saying i can't look at 18/17/16 year olds? wtf, that is stupid right there.
 
stuart-says-yes said:
what about dance in the vampire bund, as far as I know that has loli in it , I believe, would funni be able to release it here then?
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A very good series and yes it has a loli ( the main/kindamain char ) is naked through most of the OP.

Dance_in_the_Vampire_Bund.jpg


This is the cover of one of the books but it's to show you what she looks like
 
Again, Stu, you must bare in mind that the legislation looks to stop obscene material. Now, if this show depicts under-aged characters engaging or witnessing in sexual acts, there will be debate surrounding it. If they are not doing so, then there will be less of a case.

My best advice is to ignore Kirrimir's scaremongering, as frankly, he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's making a drama out of this when it's likely he hasn't even read the wording of the act - My guess is that he's getting information from some ridiculously biased blog/newspaper. Of course, he wont admit to this as it will take any authenticity out of what he says. There are users besides me on AUKN who have experience in Law, and most definately users who have a greater knowledge than me (Derfel springs to mind here). I'm not saying that what I say is necessarily correct due to my knowledge, but I can tell you that unless he can provide some good, reliable sources, I suggest you don't listen to him.

As far as I can make out, when I last checked the bill because i've done a presentation on this exact bill the Bill is basically setting out to stop images of 'non-photographic children witnessing/engaging in sexual acts'. I suggest you bare that sentence in mind when wondering whether your favorite show is likely to be affected. Frankly, I doubt it will be. Finally, for reference, the aforementioned Derfel assisted me in the presentation, and if you want I can send you a report on the Bill that's been condensed to two pages.
 
I'm not worried about Vampire Bund or Ladies vs Butlers actually genuinely breaking the law. I'm worried about people seeing them and *thinking* they break the law, and then deciding that even though they don't, they'd better ban them anyway for the sake of the children.
 
It's a good case for establishing some sort of dialogue between the fans and the relevant authorities, yeah?

My only interest in the new legislation is precisely what's hinted at above - will shows suffer as a result of over-zealous enforcement of it?

Because if they do, that'll be sad on so many levels. Keeping obscene or harmful material out of the UK I am all in favour for. but arbitrary cuts to mainstream shows or outright bans - yikes. That'd be a failure of the system.
 
HdE said:
Keeping obscene or harmful material out of the UK I am all in favour for. but arbitrary cuts to mainstream shows or outright bans - yikes. That'd be a failure of the system.
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The only things I consider harmful are things which depict actual harm being caused (ie: real kiddy porn) which was banned already. As for obscenity... it's entirely subjective. Nothing should be legislated against based on opinion, even majority opinion. It should be based on fact. If anyone can show me a single study that proves viewing lolicon is more likely to make people abuse real children then I'd be all for banning it. However, no such study exists. Because it doesn't. Just like playing GTA doesn't turn you into a cop-killing gangster, I suspect it works more as a release valve to stop such thoughts becoming reality. Fantasy, no matter how objectionable to the masses, is harmless.
 
ayase said:
If anyone can show me a single study that proves viewing lolicon is more likely to make people abuse real children then I'd be all for banning it.
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Actually, there are studies to show this. It's just there are studies that show the contrary too, that viewing lolicon/shota/hentai can act as a release, and thus, reducing the urge to do anything in real life.

So i've been informed, anyway. I've not actually looked the studies up.
 
Godot said:
ayase said:
If anyone can show me a single study that proves viewing lolicon is more likely to make people abuse real children then I'd be all for banning it.
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Actually, there are studies to show this. It's just there are studies that show the contrary too, that viewing lolicon/shota/hentai can act as a release, and thus, reducing the urge to do anything in real life.
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If so there is no study which proves either one or the other to be the case, which I think is a very weak place to be legislating from. The fact that there are differing results would seem to indicate that it does both and works differently on different mindsets. If so, what to do? Banning it may create and prevent just as much actual child abuse as allowing it did - Perhaps all that will happen is that the police will have a load more work to do which results in no actual reduction in crime. Sounds like an awful lot of other laws which have passed in recent years...
 
Godot said:
ayase said:
If anyone can show me a single study that proves viewing lolicon is more likely to make people abuse real children then I'd be all for banning it.
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Actually, there are studies to show this. It's just there are studies that show the contrary too, that viewing lolicon/shota/hentai can act as a release, and thus, reducing the urge to do anything in real life.

So i've been informed, anyway. I've not actually looked the studies up.
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I've actually heard of this too, may have been some ranting on a blog of sorts, but then Japan has provided much of "any ones problems"
 
Kirrimir said:
kippy666 said:
I still think its silly to ban something that isn't real though.
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Exactly. I also get the feeling Godot suddenly has something against me. :(
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That isn't the case, I just feel you're scaremongering here and not paying attention to what the bill seeks to rectify.
 
I don't know why they say it "comes into affect on the 6th/ April, as this was granted Royal Assent back on 12/ November/09 with no date of implimentation ordered, or stated, which means it was law on that date. I think some are mis-interpreting what this "new" law now bans. Chapter 2 of The Act, "Images of Children" details what is, and isn't considered "obscene, and offensive" and thereby covered by the law as it now stands. Basically if it's not grossly graphic in minute detail of what appear to be a child, or children involved in explicit sexual intercourse of any nature and in any manor of depiction, than it's safe from prosecution for possession of said material. In short don't get caught with any ero-gro hentai doujin involving lolis, and that includes your PC hard drive. :wink:
 
We have to wait and see what Anime get licensed over here to see the full effect of this new law. We might see the BBFC being more extreme with rating anime and start cutting material. As they would take the blame for any material that is passed which is considered not in line with this new law.

Thinking about it would Berserk Manga be considered illegal now as it contains a child rape scene.
 
I've been keeping an eye on this and so far I think as long as you don't look at loli tentacle rape or import hardcore H doujins from Japan then no one has anything to worry about. So far nothing has been pulled from the shelves, no one's been arrested for owning a few episodes of Love Hina and the sky hasn't fallen. We'll have to wait and see the full effect of it though.
 
Dave said:
We might see the BBFC being more extreme with rating anime and start cutting material. As they would take the blame for any material that is passed which is considered not in line with this new law.
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Why? This law does not change what can be sold or shown in the cinema. This law is purely about ownership.

The obscene publications act, the video recordings act etc.. have not changed.
 
Project-2501 said:
Dave said:
We might see the BBFC being more extreme with rating anime and start cutting material. As they would take the blame for any material that is passed which is considered not in line with this new law.
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Why? This law does not change what can be sold or shown in the cinema. This law is purely about ownership.

The obscene publications act, the video recordings act etc.. have not changed.
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Quite simply BBFC have in the past allowed anime which could easily arguable shows sexualization of people under 18. It would be very risky to licenses certain types of animes now because of these new related guidelines. It could be cut or refused to be licensed.

The BBFC have been known to give out some strange rating now and again like: both Mar & Mega Man Starforce get 12?
 
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