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CitizenGeek
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Any thread in which someone (Otaku-san) openly attacks someone's assertion that they'd had a truly awful day, without knowing anything at all about this person or his day, on the basis that "people had it worse in the 1950s" is not a stable, productive person. And Amary's response makes me doubt his stability also. I'm just saying that this thread and the games forum are embarrassments to this site and make it very clear that the admins are chasing a young base rather than a much more valuable mature base of users.
CitizenGeek said:
Keep in mind one thing. This forum was never built for just one or the other in respects to young or mature fans. It was for all. As such its to be expected that some forum members will not be as likely to give a more "productive" response, say, and no matter which forum you go on, you will always find immature or young-ish users. You can't always escape it. Also this thread was made for a reason, and its done/doing its job, there is no sign anywhere saying "please read/post here" and its not disrupting any threads so there shouldn't be a problem.
Anyway if you have any more problems with either or, ask me or one of the rest of the team via PM, i'll be more willing to go into more detail about this or that there than clog more of this up, hah.
CitizenGeek
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Being an open environment where both mature and young users feel comfortable sounds nice and all, but it's impractical. Young users drive away mature users and vice versa. It's better to go after one base, and I can't imagine why that shouldn't be the grown-up base. And why not continue it here? Not like it's off-topic 
Hah, thats true, may as well continue here.
Erm i can see what you mean, but again i think there is some benefits for having both. The more mature user base will certainly bring in the better discussions and they'll be able to answer queries better, but with the younger user base, we can get them into anime and hopefully have them introduce others into the medium as well. Ok that can be deemed wishful thinking i know, but as this is a UK based forum, what better way to improve the fanbase by getting as many fans, be they old or young, looking into reviews we have on the site or recommendations on this here forum. This general chat has had a fair bit of anime talk too which always helps.
Ok i'm still considering a defence for the game section(don't ask why, just trying to look at it from a different perspective) but it does at least have one decent game in there that i am more than willing to look into at least, and normally i wouldn't go in there.
Erm i can see what you mean, but again i think there is some benefits for having both. The more mature user base will certainly bring in the better discussions and they'll be able to answer queries better, but with the younger user base, we can get them into anime and hopefully have them introduce others into the medium as well. Ok that can be deemed wishful thinking i know, but as this is a UK based forum, what better way to improve the fanbase by getting as many fans, be they old or young, looking into reviews we have on the site or recommendations on this here forum. This general chat has had a fair bit of anime talk too which always helps.
Ok i'm still considering a defence for the game section(don't ask why, just trying to look at it from a different perspective) but it does at least have one decent game in there that i am more than willing to look into at least, and normally i wouldn't go in there.
I stand by my original comments on this issue which keeps getting dredged up at every possible opportunity, that the "good" and "bad" members of this forum together make up the site's atmosphere. I could just go around banning everyone I didn't like or who I rated as "too immature" by some completely arbitrary measure of quality. But I'd end up with a pretty empty forum. And sometimes even the people I've been frustrated by in the past turn out to be pretty interesting after the ice has been broken. It would be a shame to miss out on some good members just because they took a while to adjust to things.
Who wants to live in a world where everyone just agrees and acts a certain way or gets deleted, anyway? I'm afraid we're not into that kind of thing here.
I agree that things were getting mean in this thread and people were being overly defensive, however one nudge from Ryo and it instantly stopped. It doesn't really appeal to punish members of the site for being able to take a hint.
R
Who wants to live in a world where everyone just agrees and acts a certain way or gets deleted, anyway? I'm afraid we're not into that kind of thing here.
I agree that things were getting mean in this thread and people were being overly defensive, however one nudge from Ryo and it instantly stopped. It doesn't really appeal to punish members of the site for being able to take a hint.
R
Tachi
Mushi-shi
I (as usual) agree with Rui.
If you take this thread aside and look at life itself.....everyones different and thats what makes life interesting.....if we lived in a perfect world where there was no positive critisism...where we where all the same....i'd probably have gone mad.
Immaturity and maturity are complete oposites your right CG, and in some cases they do indeed repel each other. but in essence they are ying and yang....and oposites generally attract. the mature can show the immature how to act accordingly. and the immature can show the mature that you don't have to be so uptight with rules and regulations.
Yes confrontation happens from time to time...but as pointed out....after a word from Ryo the two where mature enough to stop. the reason for the argument in the first place might have been abit off...so consideration for each other isn't too much to ask.
MHO on the forum games is that its an okay place if your really bored. the games aren't rubbish enough to condem. Remember that the forum isn't specifically targetting a certain type of person (mature sophisticated professional ect ect)....its targetting a general type, variation between everyone....some are lazy or outgoing, smart but no common sense....common sence with no intelect. different origins, ethics, political views, sexual orientation. so long as people are considerate enough not to squabble about the things that make us different, and are willing to take both good and bad critisism with a pinch of salt where needed.....and people give their opinions but don't go over the top to outrage the person....then there's no problems right?
If you take this thread aside and look at life itself.....everyones different and thats what makes life interesting.....if we lived in a perfect world where there was no positive critisism...where we where all the same....i'd probably have gone mad.
Immaturity and maturity are complete oposites your right CG, and in some cases they do indeed repel each other. but in essence they are ying and yang....and oposites generally attract. the mature can show the immature how to act accordingly. and the immature can show the mature that you don't have to be so uptight with rules and regulations.
Yes confrontation happens from time to time...but as pointed out....after a word from Ryo the two where mature enough to stop. the reason for the argument in the first place might have been abit off...so consideration for each other isn't too much to ask.
MHO on the forum games is that its an okay place if your really bored. the games aren't rubbish enough to condem. Remember that the forum isn't specifically targetting a certain type of person (mature sophisticated professional ect ect)....its targetting a general type, variation between everyone....some are lazy or outgoing, smart but no common sense....common sence with no intelect. different origins, ethics, political views, sexual orientation. so long as people are considerate enough not to squabble about the things that make us different, and are willing to take both good and bad critisism with a pinch of salt where needed.....and people give their opinions but don't go over the top to outrage the person....then there's no problems right?
CitizenGeek said:
I knew the argument was some pathetic little squabble between two strangers when I wrote each post. I do not know whether I continued for amusement or because I had a rough and tiring week.
The administrators here seem less like power-hungry fools here, unlike practically every other anime forum I have been to where every moderator acts like they are some high authority or something. This site is relaxing in comparison and some of the threads are entertaining, just like they should be as forums are more than simple discussions, hence why there is a random chit-chat section.
@Rui: hah you're right, i just never considered it in that respect, and took it more on the anime fanbase side of things. I mean asides from being a fairly relaxed community and such, we are still trying to attract more people in the UK to anime/manga and so on, so why restrict ourselves to just one set of users when doing this when we can go for as many as possible? Yes then it'll lead onto the mature and immature side of things, but if anything where to get out of hand, a simple say so on the topic can easily keep it on track and nothing goes wrong.
CitizenGeek
Guild Member
Rui said:
I'm quite perplexed, Rui. Did you actually read what I wrote, or did you just project an absurd idea ("banning members based on arbitrary measures of quality") onto what I said? It's really quite difficult to have a proper discussion when you decide to assign opinions to me that I've never held and have certainly never expressed.
Of course we cannot ban members for being too young or too immature. But we can actively pursue a more mature base by removing the things that attract young and immature, annoying, repellent members. This thread is one of those things. The games forums is another.
You have to have a focus or else the forum will not get any bigger. If you want a young base (and the immature older people that go with it), that's fine. Make more forum games and more threads like this. If you want a mature, loyal and productive base, then you need to get rid of nonsense like this. You can't have it both ways, and if you try to get both the mature and the immature user base, you're just crippling your growth opportunities.
Tachi- said:
What are you talking about? This is not a philosophical issue. Your attempt at justifying the childishness of this forum philosophically is cringe-inducing.
The problem isn't with the confrontation, it's with how childish it was. Of course people are going to argue on this forum - but they should argue over substantive things like anime and manga (or videogames, music, politics, etc.), it shouldn't be childish bickering.
But the real world doesn't work that way. You can't target two groups of people who are so fundamentally different and are looking for two different benefits from forums. It just doesn't work that way.
Tachi
Mushi-shi
CG. first point on my post....you completely misunderstand what i said and the purpose behind it. i was outlining that there are differences in everyone. and that people should always bare that in mind.
Second i agree that the purpose was childish....maybe actually reading my post as a post and not as something you can critisize with no real reason to might be another way you can understand what i meant.
As for "the real world doesn't work that way" it does actually. people congrigate for a common purpose and you need to understand that opposites can be a good thing and not always a hinderance. and that difference is what makes us all human.
im a little bit confused as to why you even felt a reason to single out what i said....everyone else seemed to read it and not feel a need to pick things up.
Second i agree that the purpose was childish....maybe actually reading my post as a post and not as something you can critisize with no real reason to might be another way you can understand what i meant.
As for "the real world doesn't work that way" it does actually. people congrigate for a common purpose and you need to understand that opposites can be a good thing and not always a hinderance. and that difference is what makes us all human.
im a little bit confused as to why you even felt a reason to single out what i said....everyone else seemed to read it and not feel a need to pick things up.
CitizenGeek said:
But this is the random chit-chat section, silly.
Lectures and debates with regards to anime are for the general anime section. I certainly wasn't taking that argument to heart: this is a forum site, not a confessional stand or a frikkin' counselling association. Plus, I am hardly aware of who my opponent is.
What is all this nonsense on the real world now, too? This isn't the real world my friend, this is an anime forum. Why is everybody making such a big fuss over a little fight? Arguments come and go no matter where you are as long as people can write, speak, and show others ways to express themselves.
As I stated before, I was even aware that our little bicker was childish nonsense caused by two bored individuals that probably had nothing better to do (I know I certainly didn't), so why all of this bother over a little baseless squabble that meant nothing as a whole? Your are getting into an argument based on arguments here and it is just adding on to even more nonsense.
Otaku-san
Chuunibyou
Amray said:
Your opponents a flying squirrel, with a 40% hit rate
no srly i love the CG's comments, proposing an elimination process like that on x-factor.
Say thats an idea, before people shall enter they have to addition singing motteke sailor fuku (original Japanese lyrics) before they can enter the site. otherwise, if they fail miserably, they can go into room 101 with Micheal Winner
This seems a more idealistic world then that depicted of Lupus and the "Perils of Ryo-Chan's ideal BBS"
Otaku-san said:
Very well. I will beat it with my greatly defensive "Hedgehog that is shaped like an Easter egg!".
It is an easter special weapon! It's not edible though, or I would not recommend it atleast.
When you type "original Japanese lyrics", surely you are not implying that there is a dubbed version of the song, as well as the Japanese one. If that is the case then I am scared.
CitizenGeek said:
I did read what you wrote. Although there is a huge difference between outright banning people and manipulating them to leave by taking away their fun in principle, in the end it has a similar effect. I confess that I find it difficult to understand how one topic and one forum category (which is currently barely used and under review as previously discussed) can so badly destroy your enjoyment of the threads on politics, news and of course, anime/manga.
I think your view is that the "fluffy" threads encourage people to be less serious about the other topics (I'd steer away from defining entire people as "fluffy" or immature because people grow and change too quickly, and even the most lighthearted person is capable of a serious post if they want to make one). That may be true, but I don't agree that that's necessarily a bad thing. A large portion of the site users like to socialise in these threads and talk about their hobbies in a more freeform, relaxed way, and people here are usually pretty good about keeping the fluff in the fluff topics and the interesting things in the others. I don't personally like to socialise much, so I rarely post in this topic. I remain unconvinced that destroying it will enrich the site, nor that it's inherently less interesting than topics about which non-anime items a person bought that day and the like.
The reason I eventually made an account here on AUKN was because of what the site is, not what I wanted it to be. Perhaps if the mods were stricter (or more relaxed, depending on which extreme was chosen) it would be a bigger forum, but it wouldn't be the forum I came to like.
If you would like to set up a strictly mature anime discussion website, I would probably join it as well as stay here. I am however not willing to steer this site and its users into something they don't want to be for the sake of growing; I believe that Chaos and Paul would both agree with that.
I guess what we are targeting is not a question of mature or immature people. It's tolerant people, with perceived age (physical or mental) out of the equation. Amray and Otaku are now merrily chatting together. That's far more pleasing for me to see than a Utopian forum where every single topic is about something I'm personally interested in.
This is a niche hobby. I have to personally disagree that discouraging bouncy people from posting at all in to encourage more verbose people to join is a case where the potential benefits outweigh what would be lost.
Any further disagreements with me are more than welcome to find their way to my PM box where I will answer them. I do not wish to continue arguing in the lighthearted chitchat thread.
R
Otaku-san
Chuunibyou
Amray said:
well no not officailly, but even Christina Vee done a dub track on it
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MY EARS THEY BUUUURNNN!!!!
Deary me! I have Yoko Ishida remix' and some other amazing techno remix' of the song, but dubbed in such a way is horrible! Aya Hirano is only and forever only capable of singing that song so....right. Seriously though, her voice could awaken the dead because it's so nice.
I'm so happy that I started to watch anime in the original Japanese dialogue after I realised how much better they were.
I'm so happy that I started to watch anime in the original Japanese dialogue after I realised how much better they were.
Amray said:
To be fair there is some outstanding english dubs out there, i've found that what ever langauge you watch an anime in first tends to wrap your views on it from an audio point of view. For example if you watch it first in english and everythings okay and good you'll probably have a harder time adjusting to the sub track (as a rule of thumb i watch a series twice, once for dub, once for sub) while i've found it harder to adjust to dubs of shows that i first saw subbed.
I mean i have no idea what i'll think of Fate Stay Night's dub, when i eventually get around to seeing it.