[Overseas] Anime News & Announcements

Really guys, is it still worth complaining? I mean if you can afford something, buy it. If you can't afford it, don't. It's not like that means you can't still watch it.

I mean, I'm pro obtaining anime by legal means. But if you can't afford legal means I'm also pro wealth redistribution, so let those with the means pay your share. It's really only a problem when people who CAN afford anime pirate it. People who CAN'T afford it were never going to be able to buy it in the first place, so there's no lost sale.
 
Mangaranga said:
Then again, after Nisekoi didn't get a dub I can't really be all that surprised. As always I'll be pre-ordering all three as soon as they become available.
Considering the emphasis on Bluray in that statement, I wonder if Aniplex are going BD only for their bigger titles whilst doing DVD for the less viable niche of the niche titles. Not that I have anything to complain about since this is really how it should be by now.

Hmm.. I think Aniplex is laying it out like this:

- DVD only; for titles that can't get a Blu-ray yet (Magi and Oreimo most notably, and quite possibly Blast of Tempest and Silver Spoon) or have lackluster streaming views/considered too niche (maybe Oreshura, Vividred Operation and World Conquest Zvezda Plot).
- Blu-ray but subtitle only; titles that have good demand but either; may not work in English due to complexity (Kara no Kyoukai, Monogatari), due to certain content (Mahouka, Oreimo, Valvrave) or perhaps they want to release it as soon as possible and don't have the time to dub it (Nisekoi).
- Blu-ray and includes English dub; titles have exceed streaming expectations and have a massive demand in the English community (Blue Exorcist, Fate/Zero, Kill la Kill, Madoka Magica, Sword Art Online)
- Imports; for films and TV shows that knowingly have a strong fanbase but can't release a domestic version yet (Fate/Zero & Fate/stay night, Madoka Magica Movies, Persona 3) or just have such a huge success with the DVD release that they want to test it out with Blu-ray via Imports first (Oreimo Season 1).
 
About time! While it's weird that it never got a simulcast, it's nice to know that it's getting a home video release.
 
NormanicGrav said:
Sentai Filmworks have licensed a catalogue title from 2014 - Amagi Brilliant Park.

This was unexpected.
Goddamn. I really wanted Amagi to get licensed by PonyCan or Funi at least. I really enjoyed the series when it was airing, and I'd have loved nothing more than it to have a high quality BD with good subtitles and a good dub. Being with Sentai it won't hit any of the three boxes.
I can safely say that since A) this is Sentai and B) Chuunibyou didn't either.
 
More Discotek license announcements:

From Crunchyroll/Discotek deal:
- 5 Centimeters per Second - DVD only (they don't have BD rights yet), Bilingual audio

From Discotek themselves:
- Giant Gorg TV Series - TBA formats
- Library Wars TV Series - TBA formats
- Lupin the Third vs Detective Conan - TBA formats
- Lupin the Third vs Detective Conan the Movie - TBA formats
- Sonic X TV Series - TBA formats, English dub presumably the 4Kids version ("not sure on Japanese version yet")

Lupin the Third vs Detective Conan marks the first time North America gets a brand new Detective Conan related adventure hit the home format since February 2010 (Case Closed Movie 6).

So happy to see the Lupin vs Conan special finally get an English release, will buy day one (assuming Blu-ray will happen).

UPDATE: Discotek have also announced their plans to experiment with Standard Definition content on Blu-ray discs. Their first title will be Samurai Pizza Cats with all 52 episodes on one disc. This idea was mentioned before but this time they will actually experiment it.
 
ayase said:
Really guys, is it still worth complaining?

Oooh, you just stepped on two of my buttons, man.

I'll explain a little here - really not looking to be antagonistic here, though, I hasten to add - I just think it's ALWAYS worth explaining this stance:

I would say, it may not be worth complaining per se, but it's definitely worth speaking up about issues regarding pricing. Personally, I believe that using your voice as a fan, and doing so publicly in an arena such as this forum can be a very powerful thing. This was sort of validated for me by Andrew from Anime Limited in a recent disscussion here.

It's not just about stamping feet and wailing about being unable to afford stuff, though. There's the aspect of and growing and sustaining a fan base. We've been discussing Gundam Unicorn in another thread - were you aware that the Bandai DVD release of the first two OVAs reportedly didn't even sell 1,000 copies?

If an industry can't make something as profoundly cool as Gundam UC profitable - and in the biggest geographical marketplace in the world - then something is wrong. I can't imagine anybody working in the business of media sales being happy with numbers like that. And I think pricing is a big part of why the numbers are low on sales of some shows. Bring it down even a little lower, or make it (my key word on the subject again) affordable, and you can conceivably sell to more people. And let's be straight on this - when a tweet from Manga Entertainment asks fans if they'd be acccepting of four episodes of a show for whatever the silly mooted price was, that ain't affordable.

I do acknowledge it's not quite as simple an issue as I paint it, though. I just fundamentally believe that the current business models aren't doing anything to build or sustain the popularity of an art form I love.

Oh, and because I love it, I won't pirate it. Ever. I have very strong feelings about that.

Thus ends my thead derailment. No malice intended to anyone, I hasten to add.
 
And now fo something completely different:

NormanicGrav said:
UPDATE: Discotek have also announced their plans to experiment with Standard Definition content on Blu-ray discs. Their first title will be Samurai Pizza Cats with all 52 episodes on one disc. This idea was mentioned before but this time they will actually experiment it.

I'm actually really excited about this!

I'm personally not so precious about whether I have my anime on BD or DVD these days. But what interests me is what the AV quality is like on this. It also throws up a few interesting things to consider:

1. What does a single disc collection do to production costs? And can it bring RRP down?
(Sorry to re-tread price issues, but it's valid.)

2. Region coding!
A lot of Discotek stuff on DVD has actually been region free - their Fist of the North Star original seies release, Captain Harlock, Crying Freeman... I'm wondering what the status will be regards this with their BDs? I'm assuming their deal with Crunchyroll ight dictate this on some shows. Would LOVE it if their releases of the retro stuff they've announced kept this up.

3. Could this trend impact on importers if it takes off?
If SD content on a BD takes off as a way of getting shows onto the market, it could pose an issue. Region coding on DVD has always been easily overcome. On blu-rays, not so much. I don't need to spell this out, do I?

Good ol' region coding...
 
More Discotek announcements:
- Dororo TV Series - DVD only, Japanese audio, includes pilot and is also an Anime Sols rescue title
- Shin Getter Robo VS Neo Getter Robo - Blu-ray, Japanese audio, this will be Discotek's first subtitle-only release on Blu-ray
 
I thought the Blu-ray Disc Association expressly forbid SD content being released on BD? I'm in favour if there's no HD source (otherwise it should be released in bloody HD) as it could cut disc counts of long running shows drastically, but it needs to be pretty clearly marked so as not to mislead people into thinking the content is HD.

Re: Pricing - Anime makes its profit in Japan, and it seems the licence holders view the international market as less of a way of making extra money and more as a threat to the Japanese domestic market due to lower prices and fears of reverse importation. International transactions are easier than ever thanks to the internet and global (semi-)free trade, so higher prices are back and they're back to stay. How people deal with that is up to them, but from what I can see the Japanese industry doesn't really care about the global market because it barely ever made them any money anyway.

Whether this is the "right" attitude or not, it seems to be the current attitude. And really, if they did want to grow the market in the US, anime would have to start doing all sorts of horrifying things. Like trying to appeal to Americans.
 
ayase said:
I thought the Blu-ray Disc Association expressly forbid SD content being released on BD?

Interesting detail! I'd be interested in reading up on this further.

Couple of things I'd pick out of your comments above - not to argue with 'em, but because they're interesting:

ayase said:
Re: Pricing - Anime makes its profit in Japan, and it seems the licence holders view the international market as less of a way of making extra money and more as a threat to the Japanese domestic market due to lower prices and fears of reverse importation. International transactions are easier than ever thanks to the internet and global (semi-)free trade, so higher prices are back and they're back to stay.

That's pretty much how I see it. It's apparent that the problem with price-point lies with Japanese licence holders and the fees they ask for. I've spoken to two industry insiders working Stateside (I'd name names, but they might not thank me for it!) who described those fees as 'making it almost impossible to turn a profit'. Which is sobering to contemplate.

It actually seems to me that, the more I learn about the business of licensing, distributing and selling anime, it must be a VERY financially precarious venture. One guy I'm friendly with in comics retail has commented to me that he's seen numbers at various stages which suggest it's an unsustainable market. But common sense says there must be some gain in it, otherwise I doubt we'd see anybody actively putting it out there at all.

Bottom line for me, though, is what I stated in my last posts. Too high a price = fewer sales, and certainly fewer sales to casually interested people. That problem is exacerbated when those casually interested types may by now be used to paying at a lower price point, and then start going to the extent of actively boycotting releases, publicly slagging off distros, seeking less than legal means to view shows, etc. because they feel hard done by.

Then again, lower price doesn't necessarily = more sales and profit. So it's a thorny one.

The mechanics of the industry are certainly changing. I thought it was interesting that recently Andrew from AoA mentioned high numbers of people streaming shows, with that being an avenue for reaching new fans. But I'm 100% convinced that there's no need to see ANY disproportionate increase in price over what we're typically seeing shows retail for right now. And enough people complain to me that they feel priced out of the market that it feels fair to say that some physical releases are becoming unaffordable.

I keep banging this drum because it seems to me that all concerned in the business of flogging this stuff basically need to work out how to sell it to more people and how to keep prices competitive. It's how literally every other business on the face of the planet works, even in entertainment. Without product being accessible and affordable, it'll never reach a wider base, and if you go too far the other way, it WILL die. Or aspects of the market will, at least. Maybe not quickly, but inevitably.

But... I've said way more on this now than is really appropriate in this thread.

I'll let somebody else comment on the other stuff Discotek announced...
 
I'd say in the UK the size of the market that regularly buys the majority of new anime output is probably somewhere between 500-2000 fans.

In America, that number is obviously much bigger, but would be interested to know whether as a percentage of total population, the ratio of anime fans was similar, or whether the UK really is the niche within the niche.

I have to admit, I'm always interested to see the titles outside of Shonen stuff like Naruto etc. that sell well - it always blew me away how well High School DxD did over here, but I guess boobs really do sell...
 
IIRC the 'no SD content' was a rule for HD DVD, whereas the Blu-ray folks were far more relaxed about it.

HdE said:
It's not just about stamping feet and wailing about being unable to afford stuff, though. There's the aspect of and growing and sustaining a fan base. We've been discussing Gundam Unicorn in another thread - were you aware that the Bandai DVD release of the first two OVAs reportedly didn't even sell 1,000 copies?

If an industry can't make something as profoundly cool as Gundam UC profitable - and in the biggest geographical marketplace in the world - then something is wrong. I can't imagine anybody working in the business of media sales being happy with numbers like that. And I think pricing is a big part of why the numbers are low on sales of some shows. Bring it down even a little lower, or make it (my key word on the subject again) affordable, and you can conceivably sell to more people. And let's be straight on this - when a tweet from Manga Entertainment asks fans if they'd be acccepting of four episodes of a show for whatever the silly mooted price was, that ain't affordable.

That's actually a really interesting example because Gundam UC was successful - as single episode worldwide simultaneous bilingual BDs. I didn't know the DVDs did so poorly in comparison. While the markets are obviously different sizes, Unicorn was a smash hit which sold a staggering number of discs in Japan and its first US BD shipments completely sold out too; I don't have the exact figures but the fact that they're repeating the experiment with Origin is a good sign. The DVD volumes for Unicorn seem to be more a labour of love than something with wide appeal, though 1,000 units is still not that bad compared to known flops of the past.

In truth after watching it on BD I don't think I could have considered the DVDs ^^; those setpieces were just too beautiful.

I can't stand the rabble-rousing remarks from Jerome of Manga as they're almost always ill-presented and deliberately biased to stir up existing Manga UK fans (which drastically outnumber Manga UK buyers by some order of magnitude, it has to be said). It's a self-fulfilling prophecy that they'll complain about prices when he specifically only asks one particular slice of the demographic about things presented in a biased way without all of the information. Grr.

R
 
Disappointingly, it looks like Animeigo might be going down the SD on Blu-Ray path as well.

Personally, I'm worried that it will cheapen the format and, if successful, disincentivise the creation of actual HD masters for older film-based shows. I'm only for it in the event that the show simply doesn't exist in HD.

I'm pretty certain that there's going to be no tangible benefit in the quality of the SD image by squeezing all 52 episodes on a single disc. Doing some mental math, that gives each episode about ~900MB and, for a 20 minute episode, around 0.75MB/s bitrate? That's pathetic, even for SD DVD
 
I have to admit, on a wider industry level (not just anime) I'm surprised more companies haven't tried this for lengthy TV series with high ep counts, as I imagine the casual buyer wouldn't notice the difference.

But as pointed out above, it seems like the industry has made the consensus to push BR on the merit of quality (though I do wonder if this has hindered its up-take with the more casual audience) - walk into any HMV and the majority of space is still dedicated to DVD as opposed to BR.
 
Personally I'm all for SD on Blu-ray, not everything is financially viable to be remastered and released in HD on Blu-ray. I see these more as a way to get SD releases of shows in to hands of people who refuse to buy DVD releases (and there are many of them, I used to be one of them), so potentially this could be a way of moving away from the DVD format entirely, which should have been done long ago (not for anime, I mean the whole industry in general).
 
britguy said:
Personally I'm all for SD on Blu-ray, not everything is financially viable to be remastered and released in HD on Blu-ray. I see these more as a way to get SD releases of shows in to hands of people who refuse to buy DVD releases (and there are many of them, I used to be one of them), so potentially this could be a way of moving away from the DVD format entirely, which should have been done long ago (not for anime, I mean the whole industry in general).

It needs to be presented as a separate format, the way that VCD was separate from CD, even though the media was the same. Blu-ray for quality, and BSD (or maybe not) BD-S maybe for standard def quantity over quality.
 
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