Just Passing Through
The Wildcard
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
Time to resurrect the old 'chill pill' thread?
Time to resurrect the old 'chill pill' thread?
Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictions
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Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
It's a shame I wasn't around to witness this event, would be good popcorn material. But at least I can read all of it at once now. Did we ever find out who Company A was in the end?
Pretty much, though a bit more chilled.
Just Passing Through said:
It's a shame I wasn't around to witness this event, would be good popcorn material. But at least I can read all of it at once now. Did we ever find out who Company A was in the end?
Joshawott said:
Pretty much, though a bit more chilled.
elaniel
Vampire Ninja
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
I'm relatively new to the UK fandom after coming back into the anime world a few months back, but surprised to see comments like those appearing on the Manga feeds. Is this normal for them to be so open?
I would not be happy to hear someone making some of the comments that are being said if I was a creator of a product from someone who would (potentially) be licensing my work,
Sure, there are frustrations that I can understand, but it does come across as unprofessional. I mean, who doesn't get angry/frustrated at work?
If I made comments about my clients in my job so vocally, I would dread to think what my superiors would be doing. No matter how irritating/irrational/difficult they may be!
I'm relatively new to the UK fandom after coming back into the anime world a few months back, but surprised to see comments like those appearing on the Manga feeds. Is this normal for them to be so open?
I would not be happy to hear someone making some of the comments that are being said if I was a creator of a product from someone who would (potentially) be licensing my work,
Sure, there are frustrations that I can understand, but it does come across as unprofessional. I mean, who doesn't get angry/frustrated at work?
If I made comments about my clients in my job so vocally, I would dread to think what my superiors would be doing. No matter how irritating/irrational/difficult they may be!
Just Passing Through
The Wildcard
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
I did, but as Manga still do business with them, I'll just name them in my will. (Note for all you murderous info-hounds. I don't have a will)
NormanicGrav said:
I did, but as Manga still do business with them, I'll just name them in my will. (Note for all you murderous info-hounds. I don't have a will)
Just Passing Through
The Wildcard
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
I think with the crap that Hideaki Anno took over the original Evangelion series and End of Evangelion, Manga Entertainment's comments are the epitome of tact and discretion in comparison.
Elaniel said:
I think with the crap that Hideaki Anno took over the original Evangelion series and End of Evangelion, Manga Entertainment's comments are the epitome of tact and discretion in comparison.
Just Passing Through
The Wildcard
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
Evangelion 4.44, 2 hours of a blood red screen against a soundtrack of hellish screaming, end credits with power ballad by Aerosmith.
Elaniel said:Just Passing Through said:
Uh-oh... does that mean we will get a huge F-U release of something in the future from them?
Evangelion 4.44, 2 hours of a blood red screen against a soundtrack of hellish screaming, end credits with power ballad by Aerosmith.
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
And wins Academy Award for Best Animated Feature while also providing a preview of the characters screaming in which we get to see the celebrities react in horror.Just Passing Through said:Evangelion 4.44, 2 hours of a blood red screen against a soundtrack of hellish screaming, end credits with power ballad by Aerosmith.Elaniel said:Uh-oh... does that mean we will get a huge F-U release of something in the future from them?
ayase
State Alchemist
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
Joshawott said:
Now those, those are classics.NormanicGrav said:
Everything that is wrong with the world of business and customer service. People who are assholes need to be told they are assholes in every avenue of life and as often as possible. "Professionalism" is overrated. Brutal honesty is the way forward.Elaniel said:
elaniel
Vampire Ninja
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
Sure, I do agree to a point. The issue I was pointing out is people higher up tend not to like these kinds of things coming back on the company (Company image always is paramount). Perhaps it's the way some of the comments come across too is causing such issues.
Not to mention, it would be very interesting to see how one of the Japanese licensors would react to being called an asshole. I think that would be oddly hilarious.
ayase said:
Sure, I do agree to a point. The issue I was pointing out is people higher up tend not to like these kinds of things coming back on the company (Company image always is paramount). Perhaps it's the way some of the comments come across too is causing such issues.
Not to mention, it would be very interesting to see how one of the Japanese licensors would react to being called an asshole. I think that would be oddly hilarious.
AntAce
Student Council President
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
While I may not necessarily agree with Manga UK's release strategy, I can certainly sympathise with this recent outburst. Honestly, I quite like Jerome's attitude - it's given me something to laugh about and it's not the typical 'Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir,' that people seem to be misconstruing as professionalism.
Of course, that all depends on whether Jerome voices his concerns to their source, rather than just the 'twitterverse'.
While I may not necessarily agree with Manga UK's release strategy, I can certainly sympathise with this recent outburst. Honestly, I quite like Jerome's attitude - it's given me something to laugh about and it's not the typical 'Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir,' that people seem to be misconstruing as professionalism.
Of course, that all depends on whether Jerome voices his concerns to their source, rather than just the 'twitterverse'.
ConanThe3rd
Railgun
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
I think we need to make a Chill Pill 2 Thread;
Chill Pill Thread 2: Prescription Day.
I think we need to make a Chill Pill 2 Thread;
Chill Pill Thread 2: Prescription Day.
Lutga
Mad Scientist
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
I'd rather honesty over endless 'no comment' any day of the week.
It must be frustrating though - they'd have been counting on Eva 3.33 to be the biggest selling release of the year by miles - so continual long delays would mean they'd have to keep reassessing their expected financials.
I'd rather honesty over endless 'no comment' any day of the week.
It must be frustrating though - they'd have been counting on Eva 3.33 to be the biggest selling release of the year by miles - so continual long delays would mean they'd have to keep reassessing their expected financials.
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
I understand it's frustrating but the problem I have about Jerome pinning everything on the Japanese side (again) and sticking up for his friends at FUNimation is that he's not being entirely truthful.
There is already a legal English-subtitled Blu-ray release of Eva 3.33 from Deltamac in region A (also available as a basic edition). It might not be the only one, but it's out there for a reasonable price and that blows apart any theories that this is some kind of Japanese grey importing conspiracy (if the existence of other foreign editions without English translations hadn't done that already). I'm inclined to believe that this problem is entirely with the dub, in which case it absolutely is FUNimation's responsibility and Manga UK are unwilling to lay the blame on their partner. Misleading the fans and freaking out isn't very helpful, even if I understand that they're disappointed that Japan has a problem with accepting the original dub for some reason this time.
It's possible that they could release a first edition sub-only version of 3.33 right now if they chose to. Obviously they want to get the dub out there too since it's got such a following, but that's their choice. Fans who import or lose interest in the release due to the long delays (and lack of screening options here) are only behaving that way because a product still hasn't been provided for them to purchase.
It's worth pointing out that Madman Entertainment in Australia have so far been faster, more polite and more informative than Manga UK at spreading the news about the delay, without resorting to unprofessional public meltdowns.
(Personally I'd just import the HK one if I hadn't imported the JP version already. I'm not impressed by this kind of rabble-rousing designed to make the western companies seem like victims, especially since I don't care for the dub ^^; )
R
I understand it's frustrating but the problem I have about Jerome pinning everything on the Japanese side (again) and sticking up for his friends at FUNimation is that he's not being entirely truthful.
There is already a legal English-subtitled Blu-ray release of Eva 3.33 from Deltamac in region A (also available as a basic edition). It might not be the only one, but it's out there for a reasonable price and that blows apart any theories that this is some kind of Japanese grey importing conspiracy (if the existence of other foreign editions without English translations hadn't done that already). I'm inclined to believe that this problem is entirely with the dub, in which case it absolutely is FUNimation's responsibility and Manga UK are unwilling to lay the blame on their partner. Misleading the fans and freaking out isn't very helpful, even if I understand that they're disappointed that Japan has a problem with accepting the original dub for some reason this time.
It's possible that they could release a first edition sub-only version of 3.33 right now if they chose to. Obviously they want to get the dub out there too since it's got such a following, but that's their choice. Fans who import or lose interest in the release due to the long delays (and lack of screening options here) are only behaving that way because a product still hasn't been provided for them to purchase.
It's worth pointing out that Madman Entertainment in Australia have so far been faster, more polite and more informative than Manga UK at spreading the news about the delay, without resorting to unprofessional public meltdowns.
(Personally I'd just import the HK one if I hadn't imported the JP version already. I'm not impressed by this kind of rabble-rousing designed to make the western companies seem like victims, especially since I don't care for the dub ^^; )
R
devilrules666
Combat Butler
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
Funny thing happened at expo. My mate who is no longer a buyer of Manga's stuff after all the stuff that happened with the caneclling of blu rays a couple of years back, decided to speak to Jerome and let him know in so many words why he decided to not buy their stuff anymore. Very nicely I might add, finishing with a nice handshake which Mr Jerome decided not to accept. Some random person behind us seeing all this decided to shout "come on jerome stop being a wanker for one day". Made my day!
Funny thing happened at expo. My mate who is no longer a buyer of Manga's stuff after all the stuff that happened with the caneclling of blu rays a couple of years back, decided to speak to Jerome and let him know in so many words why he decided to not buy their stuff anymore. Very nicely I might add, finishing with a nice handshake which Mr Jerome decided not to accept. Some random person behind us seeing all this decided to shout "come on jerome stop being a wanker for one day". Made my day!
GolGotha
Death Scythe
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
But there is a difference between being honest and insulting the companies you work for. Lets's say, worst scenario, said Japanese company finds out they have constantly been insulted and cuts the ties. We all loose out. No one will be praising Manga for 'sticking it to the man'.
They will be pissed that they now have an incomplete set on their shelves and they will have to go without or import the missing titles.
Lutga said:
But there is a difference between being honest and insulting the companies you work for. Lets's say, worst scenario, said Japanese company finds out they have constantly been insulted and cuts the ties. We all loose out. No one will be praising Manga for 'sticking it to the man'.
They will be pissed that they now have an incomplete set on their shelves and they will have to go without or import the missing titles.
ayase
State Alchemist
Re: Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictio
I don't think that's entirely fair Rui. It's about the Japanese companies being reasonable, not exaggerating the problem of reverse importing and acknowledging the fact that if Manga can't make something available to western fans in a timely manner for a reasonable price for their market, people will just pirate it and both they and western distributors will lose out. People are still talking about anime being too cheap here - It's actually gone back UP in price in recent years with the trend for half season BD sets around £25 making a series cost pretty much what it did a few years ago on DVD (when everybody complained it was too expensive) about £50 for a 20 something episode season. Which I think is completely fair for the UK market. Any more and a show won't sell enough copies to make UK distributors viable.Rui said: