Jerome of Manga UK sounds off about licensing restrictions

[mangaman74]

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I think what Jerome is alluring to is its only a matter of time before Japanese studios say 'yes you can pay us a boat load of cash to release our super popular anime But you can only release it 453 days after the original air date, you can't use song signs, you can't sell a version with the Japanese soundtrack until 608 days after original air date, you can't use any extras, it must be a standard amaray cases oh yeah and it's DVD only'
At which point said foreign licensor is gonna say 'no thanks Bro, it's really not worth the hassle'
At that point the Japanese company has lost said boat load of cash to fund future projects, the foreign market has lost a legal release (and an English dub), foreign fans will turn to piracy as the only way to obtain, but on a flip side the Japanese company would probably raise the price of their release to cover the loss which at the same time would turn the Japanese fans to piracy.
There you go big business, everyone's a winner

If that's the case, surely the Japanese companies would be forced to break at some point. This tyranny can't last forever. Where is the change Abe promised us!!??

I'm certain that this kind of thing has been discussed on ANN before and the view is that the money Japan gets from the West doesn't have any influence on whether a show would get made. In other words, if the foreign licensor said no thanks (as mentioned above) the Japanese company would probably just shrug their shoulders and say okay don't have it then. Since most of the money is already made from the domestic releases there would be no need to raise those prices. Any money made from the foreign market is seen as a bonus revenue only.

 

[Emulsion]

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People saying they'd only buy it if it was in whole series box sets for £20 when Manga were talking about half sets @ £34.99 RRP.

Some people seem to like things being cheap as chips.

I recall a user review on Amazon, for one of the SAO sets saying the cost was too much due to there being only 8 episodes. People don't recall the old days when a DVD came with 4 episodes and you had to buy 6 Volumes at £12-15 each.

I don't mind paying higher prices for certain shows or films i.e. Gurren Lagann UE, and yeah the odd show I would consider an Aniplex USA release(has to be something I really, really like) but I just can't bring myself to spend £200+ and not have lossless audio for both the Japanese and English audio tracks.

However, I personally don't think any show is worth the extremely high prices the Japanese want.

 

[Rosencrantz]

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The one thing that astonishes me about the Japanese pricing model is that it's so utterly dependent on Japanese fans accepting those prices. It always struck me as such a risky model to follow, especially since there's no telling how long Japanese fans will continue to accept paying so much. Seems like they're starting to catch on if Jerome is right.

Sales numbers continue to hold up, as they have for decades now. See also: how Marvel and DC continue to sell comics these days.

Exactly, people bring out the idea that such a market will collapse on itself soon, yet it's still there as the go to model working as well as ever.

They don't need 100,000 fans to but something, just a few thousand that really liked a show enough to pick up the enhanced version with all the extra goodies.

There just doesn't seem to be the desire us Western fans have to own hundreds of shows that would support a lower priced business model.

 

[ilmaestro]

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I think the most telling quote of the entire article is actually this one

a little bit of fan anger seems like a pretty minor issue and often leaves people like me perplexed

The whole article seemed to come from a position of being totally perplexed, so perhaps this line became easier to overlook. ^^;

 

[Mangaranga]

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I don't mind paying higher prices for certain shows or films i.e. Gurren Lagann UE, and yeah the odd show I would consider an Aniplex USA release(has to be something I really, really like) but I just can't bring myself to spend £200+ and not have lossless audio for both the Japanese and English audio tracks.

Eh, the lossy audio thing does bug me to an extent, but I'm wondering whether the audio on the UK/AU releases of SAO and F/Z were actually lossless. I'm don't really have a way to test it, but the audio could have just been the DD track re-encoded as a PCM for Placebo effect.

But yeah, occasionally you get a domestic releases which can actually be pretty good and high quality. The best release I've actually seen from a local distributor (not including AniplexUSA) was actually Viz Media's release of Accel World. It looked flawless and was encoded @~30mbs with two lossless 24bit PCM Tracks - that said it's their only release like it. It's a shame that didn't carry over to the UK/AU releases though. I also kind of wish that's the approach Alltheanime would take with their releases considering Andrew talked about using 2 BD50s per half series.

However, I personally don't think any show is worth the extremely high prices the Japanese want.

It all comes down to personal preference, but for me personally the Kara no Kyoukai and Haruhi BD Boxes were a no brainer to buy. Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.

 

[Jon O Fun]

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I think what Jerome is alluring to is its only a matter of time before Japanese studios say 'yes you can pay us a boat load of cash to release our super popular anime But you can only release it 453 days after the original air date, you can't use song signs, you can't sell a version with the Japanese soundtrack until 608 days after original air date, you can't use any extras, it must be a standard amaray cases oh yeah and it's DVD only'
At which point said foreign licensor is gonna say 'no thanks Bro, it's really not worth the hassle'
At that point the Japanese company has lost said boat load of cash to fund future projects, the foreign market has lost a legal release (and an English dub), foreign fans will turn to piracy as the only way to obtain, but on a flip side the Japanese company would probably raise the price of their release to cover the loss which at the same time would turn the Japanese fans to piracy.
There you go big business, everyone's a winner

If that's the case, surely the Japanese companies would be forced to break at some point. This tyranny can't last forever. Where is the change Abe promised us!!??

It looks like from Jerome's rant SOMEONES gotta break, most likely sooner rather than later. End of the day Manga UK is a business, look at Chinese movies and there release in the UK. HKL = dead. Optimum Asia = dead. Tartan Asia = dead. Cine Asia = dead.

 

[Rui]

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And on that note Chinese films (and other relatively niche genres in the UK) are probably subject to far fewer 'insane' licensor restrictions over here - yet they still struggle. The situation is simply ridiculous. There aren't any signs that the modern market for this stuff is growing in the UK, yet it's now divided into people who only want DVD, those who only want BD or only want legal streaming/DTO services where it used to all be VHS tapes with the occasional TV airing once in a blue moon. Some people want deluxe editions which feel worth the cost and shelf space, others want cheap and cheerful, buggy releases which they can pick up for the price of a sandwich. And either way the BBFC is going to take its cut, both in its fees and through its outdated laws requiring costly new print runs for UK discs with all of the necessary logos plastered all over them.

Collectors tend to be rather particular; it comes with the territory. The Japanese business strategy is to appeal to the collectors and monetise the people who want cheap access in other ways - it's a strategy which obviously works (Love Live! s2 just sold over 82,000 BD copies of its single-episode first volume in its first week, though that's an outlier). I don't understand why we expect special treatment when the same titles will only ever sell a tiny fraction of the quantities over here. That's not how niche markets work.

Here we demonise collectors who don't want to buy poor quality releases while completely failing to monetise the vast group of people who want to consume their anime digitally in a modern way (even though it sidesteps many of the costs of production for our tiny, costly market entirely).

Heck, I had some friends over to watch some catalogue anime the other day and rather than getting my discs out we watched most stuff on Crunchyroll because it was easier. I'm a pretty hardcore collector nonetheless, but younger people are naturally going to find discs increasingly pointless next to the convenience and flexibility of a decent streaming service.

I don't think we're even in a market where the gap between the airdate and the first disc releases matters that much any more. The people who want to watch things quickly want streams or DTO, and if there are no legal streams then they'll go for illegal routes instead. The gaps between the Japanese and US releases are (mostly) acceptably short these days and dubs are being rushed to market at incredible speeds for the titles which can support them.

Personally, I haven't bought a Manga UK release in years now - and it's not because of the restrictions handed down by their Japanese licensing partners, it's because of Manga UK's own policies. It's a shame since they were so important to my fandom in the past. I understand why people are defending them because if presented with the option of paying more for something or paying less, anyone would choose the latter without a second thought and view the people crusading for these low prices as heroes. It's pretty easy to be heroic when you can paint your own business partners as the bad guys behind their backs.

I see Manga UK's way of thinking as completely outdated these days when they're not catering for either the top end of the market (collectors - a few steelbooks now and then don't cut it) or the bottom end - newer fans used to streaming who can't understand why people are still trying to sell them low resolution DVDs in 2014.

R

 

[Emulsion]

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Eh, the lossy audio thing does bug me to an extent, but I'm wondering whether the audio on the UK/AU releases of SAO and F/Z were actually lossless. I'm don't really have a way to test it, but the audio could have just been the DD track re-encoded as a PCM for Placebo effect.

I guess there is the possibility of that but personally I really doubt it. I can't see a professional company doing that. Plus if the material they was sent was lossy, converting it to lossless would just be creating more unnecessary work for them.

I also kind of wish that's the approach Alltheanime would take with their releases considering Andrew talked about using 2 BD50s per half series.

At least it's something he's looking into.

Not seen or got a Viz release due to them being A locked, but seen as you mentioned a Viz title, do they always use 2 BD50's for 12/13 episode?

 

[Joshawott]

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I did have an interesting thought this morning, which was spurred by a discussion about video games that I had with my friends - could the anime industry learn from other entertainment industries, like video games?

With video games, we are now in an age where I can't even think of a single console title that isn't also available as a download on the PlayStation Store/XBox Live/Nintendo eShop. With the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U, I counted how many games I own as a physical disc/cartridge and how many I own digitally - it's very nearly 50-50 (22 physical vs 19 digital, which is mainly because Nintendo didn't offer digital downloads until around summer 2012). These days, I only go with a physical copy of the game if a digital copy ends up costing more (which it can do ><) or if there's any physical extras that come with a physical edition (like a cool pre-order bonus or collector's edition). Since this time two years ago, the only 3DS games I've bought as cartridges have been Fire Emblem: Awakening, Pokémon X/Y and Bravely Default, due to the pre-order bonuses (and for BD, the Deluxe Edition). Since I bought an external hard-drive for the Wii U, Mario Kart 8 has been the only game I've bought as a disc (due to the Collector's Edition).

While I was in town with a friend last week, we looked at an apartment block in the city that is admittedly in an amazing location and I was informed that basically, to even afford the rent of a 2-bedroom apartment, you'd need two people working an average full time wage (or one person with a really good job). Despite the cost, you don't really find yourself with much space. Even on the other end of the scale - I currently live in my family home, which is a newly built 4-bedroom housing association house and the bedrooms really aren't big at all (even the master bedroom can only really fit a double bed and a wardrobe). As it stands, I have so many DVDs and Blu-Rays in my bedroom that it's leaking out into a shelf in the hallway, that is already full. Arceus knows what it'll be like in five years.

While I do very much appreciate pretty collector's editions (I own my fair share of them), I do wonder how my buying habits would change if I was given the option of a HD digital download that I could stick on whatever device I wanted (unlike iTunes and PlayStation Network purchases, which are quite restrictive if I remember correctly). Imagine how much space I could save if instead of having racks and racks of DVD and Blu-Ray amarays, I could just have a hard-drive neatly plugged into my TV?

One release model which I did find interesting was how Ubisoft released Child of Light. You can either buy it digitally as you would with any other game, or you can buy it as a limited edition that comes with physical extras like a poster and artbook, but instead of having the game on a disc, it comes with a download code. And although they don't come with any extras, video game companies have been offering download cards in stores like GAME for years now and in some instances, like Bravely Default, it's become the main way to purchase the game due to the shortage of physical copies on the high street.

Obviously, going entirely digital only hasn't exactly been a success to those who have tried it (like the PSP Go), but I do think that maybe the industry should start taking a closer look at what digital options could be available to them if they pushed things a bit harder.

 

[ConanThe3rd]

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Conversely, I can't see many £100 boxsets of School Girl Milky Crisis on a HMV shelf selling a world where one can get a season of Doctor Who for a n'th of a price.

 

[Shiroi Hane]

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What I know about the reality of reverse importing is purely on the one instance that Jonathan Clements has written and spoken about.

Blimey, he said, I can buy Monty Python for a fraction of the Japanese price, and have it sent to me from the UK. Come to think of it, I can buy a LAPTOP, too. A different plug on the cable, and I’m laughing!

Initially, activity was timid. A few early adopters broke out their credit cards to see how it might work out. When one of them posted a happy photograph of the battered but solid Amazon UK parcel on his Tokyo doorstep, the floodgates opened.

The first I heard about it was a day later, when a worried anime distributor called to pick my brains. UK online sales of one of his company’s titles, which we shall have to call Schoolgirl Milky Crisis, had suddenly, dramatically spiked. Initial elation turned to concern – why was he suddenly rushing to meet orders so much larger than usual? It turned out that the orders were mainly going abroad, and that’s when he asked me to dig around on the Internet.

It took less than a minute for me to track down the anime speculators and their excited bloggery. Which only made matters worse, because if I could do it, so could the Japanese licence holder. Many Japanese companies are utterly petrified of this sort of thing. You wish your anime were cheaper? They wish it were more expensive, because grey imports give them nightmares.

He's done a more recent article on a similar topic too:

More importantly for the anime fan, it makes it unpleasantly clear to Japanese rights holders that if something sells cheaper, say, in the UK, than it does in Japan, then it is unlikely to be possible to argue someone can’t import it back into Japan. Take the argument to extremes, and it is a strong case for making all foreign fans pay the same high costs as Japanese fans, in order to protect the Japanese business.

And here are some actual Japanese blog posts I dug up about Amazon UK pricing and how to go about ordering etc. (battered Amazon box and all):
http://toshikaz.sakura.ne.jp/​mt/​2009/​02/​amazonsacdvdbox.​html
http://www.icoro.com/​200908023872.​html
http://birthofblues.livedoor.biz/​archives/​50769294.​html

I do wish a Japanese company would at least experiment with different pricing and release models and compare sales figures and profits.

Q: How many Japanese companies does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Change??!

 

[Rosencrantz]

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What I know about the reality of reverse importing is purely on the one instance that Jonathan Clements has written and spoken about.

Blimey, he said, I can buy Monty Python for a fraction of the Japanese price, and have it sent to me from the UK. Come to think of it, I can buy a LAPTOP, too. A different plug on the cable, and I’m laughing!

Initially, activity was timid. A few early adopters broke out their credit cards to see how it might work out. When one of them posted a happy photograph of the battered but solid Amazon UK parcel on his Tokyo doorstep, the floodgates opened.

The first I heard about it was a day later, when a worried anime distributor called to pick my brains. UK online sales of one of his company’s titles, which we shall have to call Schoolgirl Milky Crisis, had suddenly, dramatically spiked. Initial elation turned to concern – why was he suddenly rushing to meet orders so much larger than usual? It turned out that the orders were mainly going abroad, and that’s when he asked me to dig around on the Internet.

It took less than a minute for me to track down the anime speculators and their excited bloggery. Which only made matters worse, because if I could do it, so could the Japanese licence holder. Many Japanese companies are utterly petrified of this sort of thing. You wish your anime were cheaper? They wish it were more expensive, because grey imports give them nightmares.

Yes some good articles from someone a little more in the loop than most of us.

Something I do wonder is, if sales spike and people reverse import, has that actually hurt sales in Japan? With the current high price model there will always be a section of fans that would like to buy a show, but not enough that they want to do it immediately or to throw down a lot of cash. Do reverse imports actually hurt the industry, or are they just beneficial additional sales a year after the original Japanese release has sold out?

Maybe they could experiment by doing a budget barebones release 6 months after the fancy release to satisfy that portion of the fanbase? it doesn't have to be super cheap like UK stuff, just cheap relative to the initial fancy release.

 

[Rui]

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If you release a budget box set six months after the initial release, nobody is ever going to buy your anime again. You will have 'done a Manga UK' and devalued your product in the eyes of the market, which as we're seeing here is very hard to recover from. You can't suddenly increase the price of a product if the experiment fails because nobody will want to pay that price after they've seen you sell it for less.

A cheap rerelease works for people like NISA because the first release is measurably better than the first, the gap between the two is long and quantities of the first release are always intended to be limited because they don't have to cover all that many costs compared to the Japanese side. NISA are just acting as a middleman. The Japanese side releases a lot of anime and many experimental patterns have already been tried. One of the more successful seems to be offering both a basic edition and limited edition - and most people opt for the latter, because if you're going to invest time, money and shelf space in a series you may as well get the exclusive drama CDs and other important materials along with it.

What people don't want to understand is that the Japanese model isn't the one that is failing. Jerome wouldn't be so upset if it wasn't doing too well and making it hard for him to negotiate ridiculous deals.

(I'm convinced that the problem is much deeper though; the folks at Manga UK are ignoring the way that the hobby is transforming and tilting at windmills desperately. The licensors could give them titles on a platter and I still wouldn't be buying local releases.)

R

 

[ayase]

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If you release a budget box set six months after the initial release, nobody is ever going to buy your anime again.

Unless of course the initial release was an expensive limited collector's edition that only 10% of all potential buyers bought anyway, then the other 90% buy the budget edition later, that way you get all of the money all of the buyers were willing to spend. That was the old model, and surely it was the sensible model?

It's kinda pointless me discussing this anyway since in my view the economies of developed countries are all going to collapse soon thanks to the free movement of goods and capital worldwide being realised, but not the free movement of labour. Nothing anyone can do, short of developed countries re-colonising the undeveloped countries to drive their own living costs down or slaughtering half their populations, is going to be able to stop it.

 

[Rui]

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The problem with the old model is (IMO) that the way the average fan values anime has shifted enormously since the digital revolution. Ever since digital versions - legal or otherwise - have equalled or surpassed the physical product, an entire group of potential buyers has dropped out of the running. The current Japanese model has developed around the idea of buyers, who will basically pay any price for a nice enough product, and viewers, who still need catering for but in a completely different way.

Rambling now (mostly to an imaginary Jerome)...

Back when I went out to buy a Manga UK VHS tape of some terrible OAV or other, I was buying it to see the show. Sometimes I'd get a good surprise, sometimes I'd be disappointed, but for better or worse it was a pretty easy-to-understand transaction. Pay money and watch more anime.

Over time digital sharing began and people over here finally got to see things a little quicker, but DVDs were still an obvious value-add proposition. Watch a crummy rip in Realplayer, or get a decent-looking DVD with the original language track (usually) intact and the knowledge that it would be part of your collection you could be proud of.

The US/UK market has been steadily sabotaging itself ever since that moment, bringing prices down for consumers (yay!) but at the same time dropping all of the niceties like DVD packaging which doesn't bend when you pick it up (I hate paying for those economy cases that are so popular in the US) and inserts (52-episode box sets with no episode numbering on the discs are a great idea...thanks, FUNimation). It feels like I'm getting more minutes of anime for my money now, but it's all so cheap and unloved. And when things go wrong in the UK market it's rare that the disc will even be fixed unless Andrew is somehow involved (MVM aren't bad at this either).

I'm not wealthy enough to enjoy spending my hard-earned cash on things which don't work properly or look terrible. I want to have shelves lined with exciting treasures. My Crunchyroll subscription does the rest.

Even if I was 15 years old now and steadfastly law-abiding I would wonder why I could pay £20 for one DVD set or watch the same show - and as many others as I could physically find time for over a period of four months - in 1080p on Crunchyroll. The DVDs are lower resolution, PAL converted (often with funky audio to boot) and a hassle to store or watch on mobile devices. I don't understand why they think there's a future for this business model. I can't help remembering that new fan who posted here asking what was wrong with their new, non-defective DVD set as it looked so much worse than the stream they'd seen before ^^;

We're finally getting more BDs over here after the dodgy period where nobody could afford to release them for the audience of 500 people who want them, but even then, the only advantage they have over streams (or illegal downloads) is the moral satisfaction of supporting the local companies and, where applicable, a few extra scenes or bonus features exclusive to the home video release. And dubs I guess, though the US gets those delivered as streams as well nowadays.

I don't see a future for Manga UK's current (or past) business model where the entire reason to buy DVDs or BDs is becoming charity or habit rather than a genuine desire for the product. The Japanese business model is designed to give those people who really liked a show a reason to buy a copy instead of renting it or watching the stream on the dozens of Japanese digital delivery networks. They're not selling to casual people who want to collect a bunch of shows they can already watch in HD online anyway; those people are an anomalous demographic who probably won't exist after those of us who have grown up habitually collecting things start to die out.

If Jerome is angry that people watching Attack on Titan on Crunchyroll or illegally a year before his release are cutting into his figures, he needs to get his Attack on Titan DTO package to them then, not hope they stick around waiting for a stripped down copy of the US edition a year after they were into the initial fad. The streamers and the collectors aren't Manga UK's market right now, and they're never going to be Manga UK's market at all unless they stop trying to force the world to stop advancing and get with the times.

R

 

[Mangaranga]

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We're finally getting more BDs over here after the dodgy period where nobody could afford to release them for the audience of 500 people who want them, but even then, the only advantage they have over streams (or illegal downloads) is the moral satisfaction of supporting the local companies and, where applicable, a few extra scenes or bonus features exclusive to the home video release. And dubs I guess, though the US gets those delivered as streams as well nowadays.

Heh, I remember when I first started watching anime years ago I would just torrent absolutely everything and watch it. As I've gotten older I'm obviously working and earning money to the point where I tend to enjoy actually owning physical products. The whole thing with Manga cancelling/not doing BD releases was what actually made me buy a region free player and import everything in the first place, and admittedly I'd never felt any urge whatsoever to come back and support the UK market at all until Alltheanime started up.

Nowadays I do tend to enjoy shows a lot more if it's something I've bought, rather than got a BDrip of, hence why I'll usually buy an available BD (explains why I bought Henneko) unless it's a Kaze release. Unfortunately it just seems that companies are giving less and less of a damn about the products they release or the state in which they go out in. This is actually why I buy a lot of AniplexUSA releases and don't mind their pricing strategy. It also helps that I understand why they price things the way they do, but they're offering me JP quality BD releases for a fraction of the price. That especially is something you will never be able to replicate through illegitimate channels or streaming, and at the end of the day is probably part of the reason why the Japanese market manages to sustain itself. It also accounts for most of the reasons why I for the most part don't care about the UK market anymore - since we even for bigger titles we generally get lower quality, barebones releases.

I'd ramble more in my sleeply state but I think that's enough for now.

 

[ilmaestro]

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There has been an increasing number of BD boxsets of series released well after the singles run is finished in Japan, at a fair discount without exactly giving them away free with a box of Cornflakes.

Also, could they learn from videogames? I would lean "no", since videogames are so much more mainstream. I go back to Western comics, though - if you look at Marvel's digital offering, there might be something there (ie. ???? off all the overseas companies and just sell it directly yourself. Most likely that Japan as a whole is not prepared to make anything like this big a move, though).

Spoiler

It's kinda pointless me discussing this anyway since in my view the economies of developed countries are all going to collapse soon thanks to the free movement of goods and capital worldwide being realised, but not the free movement of labour. Nothing anyone can do, short of developed countries re-colonising the undeveloped countries to drive their own living costs down or slaughtering half their populations, is going to be able to stop it.

This genuinely seems like something that could be manufactured on a fairly global scale, if it came to it.

 

[Rosencrantz]

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Rambling now (mostly to an imaginary Jerome)...

....

R

Some good points, the internet and availability of quality streams both legally and otherwise has definitely changed the market.

It would seem the best move companies could make would be to beef up their streaming, making that as good as possible and offer high quality limited editions of shows for those that want a physical copy.

Those that want cheap Anime can spend £5 - £10 on a subscription site or two and watch a ton of stuff at great value. Those that want to own something special have the option to do so. The trouble is the internet and access to it are not quite there yet to make that a viable option.

 

[ConanThe3rd]

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Jerome also has this awful tendency to not notice the fires in the forest whilst he's screaming at the trees.

Like the case of Attack On Titan being unavailable on CR during it's Toonami run. That's fine for the US and it makes sense there but it buggers non US Customers out of the show for that duration.

Jerome should have been there and like "We see this problem, hey netflix, funi let's extend licence agreements and get that nonsense on UK Netflix."

Problem Solved, Set's probably given a boost sales wise, every one's happy.

I mean, come on guys, Pokemon is available on Netflix, something that's been notoriously arse to get a hold of lience wise, it can't be that hard.

 

[ilmaestro]

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Yeah, was discussing this the other day, not having AoT on Netflix was just the most ridiculous thing.