Do you support gay marriage?

Do you support gay marriage?

  • Yes, I think gay relationships should be equal to heterosexual relationships.

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  • I support civil unions, instead of marriage for gay couples.

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  • No, I do not support gay marriage.

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Okay i know what the "coming out of the closet" is. i was trying to say that by openly informing of his preferrences he tried so hard to conceal throughout high school was a concious decision and therefore in a sense he became a gay after he announced his sexuality. i can see that sombody will say something to counter what i've just said along the lines of " but if he was that way inclined to begin with then he was gay before he announced it" well either way you look at it hes still gay lol

but i believe its something that is decided not a natural urge.
if it was a natural thing then guys would "somehow" be able to reproduce. as only a guy and girl can produce then i believe its a decision to become gay.
 
Tachi- said:
Okay i know what the "coming out of the closet" is. i was trying to say that by openly informing of his preferrences he tried so hard to conceal throughout high school was a concious decision and therefore in a sense he became a gay after he announced his sexuality. i can see that sombody will say something to counter what i've just said along the lines of " but if he was that way inclined to begin with then he was gay before he announced it" well either way you look at it hes still gay lol

but i believe its something that is decided not a natural urge.
if it was a natural thing then guys would "somehow" be able to reproduce. as only a guy and girl can produce then i believe its a decision to become gay.
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Sorry I still completely disagree with you. He probably didn't announce it because he was afraid of prejudiced attitudes like this!

A user (probably more than one) thought I was a male on this forum at first (I'm not in any way offended, it's just an example). Was I a male on this forum until I mentioned I was female? So why is he suddenly gay only after you found out? Is a person who conducts their private life entirely secretly not gay until they tell others? Huh?

Don't see what the point of the "gay lol" comment was.

Nobody typing here has the right to bring "natural" into any of this. Shall I list some other things that arguably aren't "natural"?

Computers
Make up
Clothes
Most sweets
DVDs
Contraception
Marriage
Cars
Aeroplanes
Most major medicines

All of us here break the rules in our daily lives; doing many things that aren't "natural" in a strict sense. Many things most of us would say they couldn't live without. Love and desire, compared to most of that list, is one of the most natural things there is.

Incidentally are infertile straight people unnatural too? Should they be forbidden marriage? Just like gays, infertile (this includes people after reproductive age and victims of diseases as well as elective non-reproducers) perform social functions which aid the continuation of our species too. Teaching, caring for other people/children in the community, working in medicine, research, government, rescue - all people have a value to the continuation of the species without having to be the ones directly making babies. And our species is in no danger of dying out through lack of births globally, far from it. Those secondary roles play a large part.

R
 
i'd like to point out im not too bothered what others decide to be, just so long as they:

1-dont try to push their beliefs on others (yes thats also a direct assault on those religious preachers that try convert as many as possible)
2- they dont get married (as i've stated above, its not natural. please dont bother trying to call that a short sighted view, it'd be a waste of time)
3-there's NO need at all to involve children in a gay marriage, the child doesn't deserve to be brought up in a atmoshpere that will be constant bullying.
 
Tachi- said:
i'd like to point out im not too bothered what others decide to be, just so long as they:

1-dont try to push their beliefs on others (yes thats also a direct assault on those religious preachers that try convert as many as possible)
2- they dont get married (as i've stated above, its not natural. please dont bother trying to call that a short sighted view, it'd be a waste of time)
3-there's NO need at all to involve children in a gay marriage, the child doesn't deserve to be brought up in a atmoshpere that will be constant bullying.
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1. Fair enough.
2. Marriage is itself not natural. Do you see dogs and cats getting married? Those cheeky creatures just have casual relationships! If marriage isn't natural anyway, I don't see how the orientation of the participants has much bearing on things whether it's seen as natural or not.
3. But do you think it's better to be brought up in an orphanage or being bounced between dozens of short term carers, than in a stable environment? There are way more needy kids out there than there are suitable adopters as it is - if you cut out homosexuals that's even more thousands of children who have to grow up without feeling loved or part of a family.

Bullying only happens because of ignorant people. Kids with straight parents have been bullied too, and always will be as long as ignorant people pick on others. Making homosexuality equal socially makes picking on kids with two male parents as ridiculous as picking on a kid because one of his parents is black, or picking on them because they have a dog, or whatever other crackpot reason people need to find to have an excuse to make someone else feel miserable. If a lesbian has a child (let's say she was raped so the already laid to rest closet argument doesn't return, though it doesn't matter) should her child be taken from her if she lives with another woman instead of a man? :|

R

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maybe you misunderstand where im coming from, the "as i've stated above, its not natural. please dont bother trying to call that a short sighted view, it'd be a waste of time" was trying to point out that its not a natural urge that makes a person gay its a decision to be that way inclined.

"If a lesbian has a child (let's say she was raped so the already laid to rest closet argument doesn't return, though it doesn't matter) should her child be taken from her if she lives with another woman instead of a man?" okay the reply to that is pure and simple: lifes not perfect.

but heres a question i've never had a answer to: if a woman is raped....why the hell would she keep it? it'd be a constant reminder of the horror she endured and some would say "yeah but thats killing a child" well depending on your individual beliefs that may or may not be true, for instance my girlfriend says that she see's a baby is a baby when its got a brain and sort of resembles a baby however my friend see's it as asoon as the egg's fertilized then its a baby.

but in the end would anyone really want a living reminder of what happend?
 
We already did the choice/decision thing regarding homosexuality earlier in the thread so won't retread there. I don't think it's a choice; that implies a conscious decision and why would so many people make it, often before they're sexually active too? You can get beaten and killed in many countries for admitting to it, including this one in some rougher areas.

Tachi- said:
but in the end would anyone really want a living reminder of what happend?
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That's a whole other debate but I strongly believe this varies from person to person. Some people cherish children and life so much that terminating it would be a worse crime than the original rape was. Some might see the blessing of a child as something good from a bad situation rather than an unpleasant reminder. And abortion is a pretty horrible process to endure even if you want to go through with it (so's childbirth, but hormonal women aren't always rational like that, let alone victims of trauma). Plus, speaking of natural impulses as we have so much here, it's a natural instinct for a woman to want to protect her young. Some women have different instincts or can't handle the emotional toll after their experience, but enough feel strongly about it that I don't think keeping a baby resulting from rape is too far fetched.

So long as they're psychologically strong enough to disassociate the child from the rape itself I'd say letting the child stay with her and her lesbian lover in future would be right. And if that's ok, I don't think homosexual parenting in general has to be bad either. As you say, life's not perfect, but I think whether the adopters are straight or gay, in a situation not ideal (like adoption in general) it's still better than the alternative for a child - having to grow up without a family at all. Everyone should have a family to grow up with, even if it's a bit of an unusual one :)

R
 
Yes i'll agree to that. there's pro's and con's to situations, just depends how optimistic or pesimistic you are towards them.

so long as children are brought up correctly i have no problems on this front anymore.
 
Tachi- said:
Rui, how old are you? the way you talk online gives the image that you are a political and strong minded :)
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26 :) and I'm certainly strong minded - both a blessing and a curse.

R
 
Tachi- said:
brighton actually isnt that bad lol there arent millions of gays
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Actually, this is true. Kemp Town is a little more 'colourful' than the other areas but otherwise, Brighton isn't some kind of technicolour 'Are You Being Served' where every man you meet talks like John Inman and every woman talks candidly about what happened last night to Mrs Slocombe's Pussy. In fact, people in Brighton seem to be most vocally passionate about their Football team and Pride comes out big and garish at one point in the summer, before being locked up in the closet for hen parties and 'open-minded' students to gawk at as a fancy little oddity on some piss-up or other.

Despite Pride, the single most garish thing in Brighton is the Pier.
 
Little late into the whole discussion, but ah well, there is always room for more opinions.

Personally, i have nothing wrong with it at all. I don't see what the problem is for two guys or two girls getting married, or even just a civil union. In the end they'll be living together, so it, to me, doesn't make that much of a difference. I don't have a problem with gay people at all, in the end they are basically normal people, but all thats really different is that they are attracted to the same sex. Heck, i know a fair few gay people at uni, they act no differently to the rest of the crowd i'm with, so why they should be treated any differently is beyond me.
 
Tachi- said:
brighton actually isnt that bad lol there arent millions of gays
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Brighton isn't "that bad" because there aren't that many gays? Oy ...

kupoartist said:
Actually, this is true. Kemp Town is a little more 'colourful' than the other areas but otherwise, Brighton isn't some kind of technicolour 'Are You Being Served' where every man you meet talks like John Inman and every woman talks candidly about what happened last night to Mrs Slocombe's Pussy.
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Well, I don't think anyone ever imagined it like that, anyway. But, do you regularly see gay folks holding hands and stuff in Brighton?

Arbalest said:
Personally, i have nothing wrong with it at all. I don't see what the problem is for two guys or two girls getting married, or even just a civil union. In the end they'll be living together, so it, to me, doesn't make that much of a difference. I don't have a problem with gay people at all, in the end they are basically normal people, but all thats really different is that they are attracted to the same sex. Heck, i know a fair few gay people at uni, they act no differently to the rest of the crowd i'm with, so why they should be treated any differently is beyond me.
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So simple, yet so true. In fact, I think this issue is exceedingly simple. Some people are attracted to the opposite sex, some people are attracted to the same sex. It's really that easy ;]
 
CitizenGeek said:
do you regularly see gay folks holding hands and stuff in Brighton?
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I'm not sure. But then I couldn't tell you that I've seen straight couples doing the same. It's not my business who you humans exchange your protein strands with.
 
No, not because i hate gay people or anything. Its pretty much because i just dont support marriage all together. Its just a way to imprison people into a false relationship. No one is truly happy being married and plus its friggin expensive to have a wedding.
 
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