Defective or Disappointing UK Anime Discs

Emulsion said:
Now I'm getting a little concerned about the up and coming Gurren Lagann release. That's four Anime Limited Blu-ray releases in a row that have issues. OK, Durarara isn't AL fault but Sirens, but still, it's got issues.

Bebop had video glitches.
Garden of Words has no signs/song track.
Perfect Blue had subtitle issues, audio the wrong way round and had DD 2.0 rather than LPCM like stated in the menu.

Now Durarara has issues.
Garden of Words has no signs/songs track? I'd like to hear an explanation for that one. It's not like there isn't one readily available.
I'm going to assume that Perfect Blue has DD audio just for the English track? If so maybe it's due to the age of the movie/dub and not being able to access the original audio master or something.

As for Durarara I'm going to cancel my Pre-Order. I was going to buy it to support the release seeing as I love DRRR and what Anime Limited are doing, but there's just loads of issues which weren't present in Aniplex's release for me to bother double dipping.
 
Mangaranga said:
Garden of Words has no signs/songs track? I'd like to hear an explanation for that one. It's not like there isn't one readily available.

The missing track is mentioned in this review.

Mangaranga said:
I'm going to assume that Perfect Blue has DD audio just for the English track? If so maybe it's due to the age of the movie/dub and not being able to access the original audio master or something.

Andrew did mention on another forum that the English being DD was basically all he could get hold of. Think it was due to the age of it. The Japanese 5.1 is master audio but the Japanese 2.0 is DD, however the menu states it's LPCM.
 
Emulsion said:
Mangaranga said:
Garden of Words has no signs/songs track? I'd like to hear an explanation for that one. It's not like there isn't one readily available.

It's mentioned here.
Oh right. I never realised. I actually already have the Japanese and US BDs, so I had no reason to buy another copy.

I don't think you've any reason to worry about Gurren Lagann. From Andrew's posts I get the impression that he's doing his absolute best to get his hands on as many assets as possible to create the best possible release. I also think that there won't be any video issues as they've had more experience with authoring BDs at this point.
 
Mangaranga said:
NormanicGrav said:
Oh, and let's laugh at another Kaze release. They squeezed 13 episodes on 1 disc with none of the extras from any other version. Not even the OP/EDs.
What a piece of ****. I legitimately hope that nobody buys the UK release of K. It's Tri audio too which makes things even worse.
Viz's release was two BD50s with a bunch of Extras.

This brings some lyrics to mind.
Falling into sleeping despair,
Far more pain then my eyes can bear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFUVWP01Yq8
 
Mangaranga said:
NormanicGrav said:
Oh, and let's laugh at another Kaze release. They squeezed 13 episodes on 1 disc with none of the extras from any other version. Not even the OP/EDs.
What a piece of ****. I legitimately hope that nobody buys the UK release of K. It's Tri audio too which makes things even worse.
Viz's release was two BD50s with a bunch of Extras.


Actually, I think it's still dual audio, at least in terms of subtitles when I checked the disc, I only checked the English menu, and the English signs were track 2, and subs were track 3, implying there's only the one track for the French menu, meaning it's probably French subs with Japanese audio only. FWIW, ANN hasn't got a French cast listed at this time. Can't check it now though, as I find with Kaze discs, I review the distributor more than the content, so it's better if I can find someone else less jaded to review it.

As for faulty discs...

Btooom! from MVM has inherited its faults from Hanabee and Sentai, namely the audio on the textless credits on disc 1 is the wrong way round, ED music for the OP, and OP music for the ED. I also found that the Japanese audio was buried under the effects and music, especially when someone was inner-monologuing during an action sequence. That's probably a more subjective observation.
 
Have you ever been approached to do QC for the anime companies, JPT? It would be wonderful :D

(Thanks for the heads-up.)

R
 
Rui said:
Have you ever been approached to do QC for the anime companies, JPT? It would be wonderful :D

(Thanks for the heads-up.)

R

Not for anime, although reviewers getting sufficient heads up on discs can often get feedback back to the distro in time to get a retail release fixed. I'm proud to say that a couple of anime releases have one fewer problem on the disc thanks to my input (alongside other people's), but usually by the time we get review discs, it's too late to do anything.

I have QC'd a couple of discs for another non-anime label as a favour. It is tedious work even when there's just one language on a disc, and by the very nature of my situation, it's a partial job at best. You go through the movie, keeping an eye out for video glitches, an ear on audio glitches, and check the subtitles for errors. And then check all of the menu options, all of the chapter selections from the main menu and from the pop-up menu, and go through the extras, and try to do everything to make the disc crash in the player.

I only have time for one pass through. Imagine doing it twice or more for each language track, each subtitle track, each commentary. A proper QC job would do it multiple times with a bank of Blu-ray and or DVD players, several from each major manufacturer, the current chipsets, and the older model chipsets. I suppose much of the process could be automated, but I'd pay a QC bod who could do it right a lot more than the BBFC charge for rating a disc. But even the big studios with the resources behind them can let a problem disc slip through, as I learned when I found that the X-Files movies Blu-rays were partially incompatible with my player. You can then understand then how Kaze's Ungo failed to work on Panasonic BDs as they are nowhere as resourced as Fox.
 
Shiroi Hane said:
Mind, talking about reviewers "QCing" check discs, remember the fuss when reviewers complained about the incomplete song subs on GitS:SAC? :p

I guess that's more than one reason for me to not get the DVDs yet (the others I heard were subtitle issues and the fact that I missed the Death Note style boxset). I want Funi to hurry up and rescue the license for flip sake.
 
It wasn't a problem with the end product, only the check discs. Manga complained about reviewers complaining about flaws with the incomplete check discs they were given to review (IIRC only the first line of the OP was subbed, followed by "continues in Japanese" or something).
 
Mangaranga said:
I don't think you've any reason to worry about Gurren Lagann. From Andrew's posts I get the impression that he's doing his absolute best to get his hands on as many assets as possible to create the best possible release. I also think that there won't be any video issues as they've had more experience with authoring BDs at this point.

Also, I doubt there should be any problems with the subtitles like there are with Durarara!! - I don't remember there being any issues with Gurren Lagann when it was released by Beez.
 
I hate to say I called it regarding Siren's subtitling for Durarara but, well, I did. Their work on Penguindrum was sloppy - the entire first set has blinking/flashing subtitles all over the place and sign subs often dumped on top of dialogue subs with nothing to distinguish them - but Durarara sounds arguably worse. I just don't understand how professional companies like Siren and Kaze think their work is acceptable. They don't seem to care.
 
fabricatedlunatic said:
I hate to say I called it regarding Siren's subtitling for Durarara but, well, I did. Their work on Penguindrum was sloppy - the entire first set has blinking/flashing subtitles all over the place and sign subs often dumped on top of dialogue subs with nothing to distinguish them - but Durarara sounds arguably worse. I just don't understand how professional companies like Siren and Kaze think their work is acceptable. They don't seem to care.
Woah, hey. Don't put Siren anywhere near the same level as Kaze. That's just plain insulting.
At least the stuff they put out is not constantly defective/missing simple things like OP/ED Subs.
To say they don't care would be wrong as you can at least talk to them, and get replies through Social Media channels unlike Kaze.
 
Communicating with fans is good, but I'd rather they not put out products with poor subtitles in the first place. The idea of a company that cares is not the first thought that comes to mind when I'm watching Penguindrum and continually being distracted by blinking subtitles and trying to discern which character is saying what (all their dialogue and sign subs are the same colour and size).

Missing OP/ED lyrics - which are typically banal - are a relatively minor offense in my opinion.
 
Tiger & Bunny: The Beginning

There's no Songs/Signs track (Probably due to using Viz's materials - hence the English credits), but there's also no subtitles at all for the Songs in the subtitle track. This is incredibly disappointing considering Kaze pulled the same thing with the TV series.
I'm not sure if this is the case on Viz Media's release of the movie, but for the TV series they had song translations in the full subtitle track.

EDIT: Two more very minor points, the first is that there's a bunch of PV's and Trailers of varying length in the extras yet only the (slightly humorous) Theater Commercial is subbed. The "World Premiere event" and "Weekly Hero Countdown" are also subbed.
For anyone watching on a PS3, the X Button/directional buttons are disabled during playback, so you'll have to use Start + L2/R2 instead which is a bit of a pain.
This issue also appears with Kaze's discs so it must be to do with how the disc is authored.

Also to expand on the audio options it's English/English with Full Subtitles/Japanese with Full Subtitles, however they are NOT locked.
 
Was quite excited to pick up the K release, but yet again Kaze seem to have just shat it out without a care in the world. Man, I freaking hate Kaze.
 
Ian Wolf said:
Mangaranga said:
I don't think you've any reason to worry about Gurren Lagann. From Andrew's posts I get the impression that he's doing his absolute best to get his hands on as many assets as possible to create the best possible release. I also think that there won't be any video issues as they've had more experience with authoring BDs at this point.

Also, I doubt there should be any problems with the subtitles like there are with Durarara!! - I don't remember there being any issues with Gurren Lagann when it was released by Beez.

Correct to assume not - we also do a 2-pass QC check nowadays - meaning it takes forever but it guarantees a lack of glitching at the very least.

Also - nobody has the sign/subs track for Gurren Lagann anymore - which is a huge new problem. Looking into how to fix it now - fun times huh?

Andrew
 
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