Currency vs Brexit: GBP Losses

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@kuuderes_shadow Technocrat managed decline by people who have no convictions other than keeping everything (mainly the economy) stable by running around sticking tape on the cracks isn't what politics is supposed to be about. If that's what's going to happen we might as well just do away with the expensive illusion of democracy altogether. I don't really think any situation (least of all the precarious one we're in now) can be said to be "bound to continue" because unforeseen events always get in the way of anyone's plans and can alter the world and public sentiment very quickly. What do you think another recession or oil crisis would do to the political landscape, or another mass exodus of refugees from a war-torn country?

And politicians can institute radical change if they have the will and the means to see it through. Atlee did. Thatcher did. I don't think just continuing to chart the same course with minor adjustments Thatcher and Reagan set the West on in the 1980s in perpetuity is going to do the people or the politicians any good, yet that seems to be what the powers that be have decided is going to happen whether the people like it or not. If they keep being misled and lied to and their demands continue to get more and more radical because they aren't being listened to I don't think anyone can really complain when they decide they've finally had enough and roll out the guillotines again. I can't see the consequences of Trump backpedalling on his campaign promisies being the American right becoming less extreme. They'll just look for someone even more radical to vote for next time. It's the same reason Corbyn is Labour leader, because New Labour didn't do what Labour voters actually wanted.

With pretty reliable regularity, radical change will come one way or another. It might be worth the politicians listening so that it at least happens peacefully.
 
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To make clear I wasn't saying that the current situation is a good thing. Just that it's better than having a policy implemented which was decided by prioritising what is popular over what would actually work out well in practice.

And what I meant by saying that it was bound to continue was not that that was the only thing that could happen, but that it is the normal state of affairs in a democracy in which the general public get to vote due to the huge incentives that are created for such a thing, and that the politicians often aren't lying either before or afterwards. To make clear, though, I'm not arguing against democracy - this is a flaw with democracy but other systems have far worse ones.

Having said this stuff, I do think you (ayase) are rather overly keen on revolution. Revolutions result in a worse result considerably more often than they result in a better one. Perhaps somewhat ironically, the ones that don't go wrong are usually the ones where technocrats were put in important roles in the running of the revolutionary process. Where they get pushed to the side in favour of ideological purists who usually don't really know what they're doing, or don't think the ramifications of their actions through, it always results in disaster.
 
I don't really think humans can be trusted at all, not the masses, not the leaders. None of us can be trusted to run things in an unbiased, unselfish way and that's perhaps something I do think will continue.

I feel like until the pure incorruptible regime of the machines takes over, seeing the people at the top (especially when they're undeserving inherited wealth and power dynasties like they are at the moment) periodically torn down and stamped on isn't a bad consolation prize.
 
My chief concern with Labour is they hold many of the same delusions as the Tories on Brexit, especially the idea immigration is out of control. They also think we can get a cherrypicked deal too, something that no political leader representing the UK will be offered.

I worry there are a lot of young people buying into this idea that Corbyn is an anti establishment super star who is going to make everything rosey for them. He's been consistently anti EU and some daft people I know have told me "You should vote Labour because if they get in they'll do a 180 and oppose Brexit!"....Corbyn sabotaged the campaign and then any attempt to vote it down in parliament.

It really sucks that the leading parties in this election are the extreme right and the extreme left, both pursuing something that is already isolating us.
 
Corbyn isn't really "extreme left" though, the Overton Window has just been pushed so far to the right in the UK (thanks Maggie, thanks Tony) that policies which seem perfectly reasonable and normal when being expressed by European social democratic parties get labelled as being virtually communist here. We're becoming the USA. Kinda surprised to see you taking that line HellCat, the "extreme left" point has been a standard MSM smear since Corbyn was elected leader.

We can't know what anyone is really going to do in power as we've seen from all the liars of the past. But I'd much rather take the chance and hope that Jeremy Corbyn is really going to do what he says than run the risk that Theresa May will.
 
I consider him extreme left primarily because his Brexit policy is nonsense. It's been said that being opposition is easy, all you have to do is promise the opposite of what current government is doing. Corbyn has all these lovely flowery policies which sound great on paper but exactly like the Tories hit a brick wall when we know Brexit will happen. Where is the money coming from?

I've been told Corbyn is hope but to me hope is something tangible, not mere dreaming. The hardcore Corbyn fans are near brainwashed and act like you're a Tory plant if you criticise him. I'm an LD member and I criticise them when I feel it's needed

I wish more people would analyse him more critically because right now it's childish. You don't solve adult problems by wishing for a superhero. No human is like that and I see people make this mistake over and over.
 
Yeah without socialism we wouldn't have a NHS. And capitalism is making America amazing right.

Corbyn I voted for him twice and had lost faith in him I told multiple people I wouldn't vote for him again but he has impressed me this election as he has mobilised people, and to the money question clement Ätlee didn't worry about money and historically he is rated the best peace time PM. Meanwhile the LDs think defying democracy will win votes.
 
Well America has a working economy while Venezuela is on the brink of civil war and can't even feed there people that's what socialism gets you in the 21st century no thank you Mr Cornyn
 
The LDs do kinda not accept the result I was a hard remainer still would love to stay in the EU but I cant because Britain voted leave.
We will be still be a capitalist country with a socialist leader like France was 2012-2017
 
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The LDs do kinda not accept the result I was a hard remainer still would love to stay in the EU but I cant because Britain voted leave.
We will be still be a capitalist country with a socialist leader like France was 2012-2017
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And where are they now all they did was put france further det nobody will be voting for them in the next 50 years at least
 
The LD position on Brexit is to push for as soft a brexit as possible, and to hold a referendum on the final deal, in which the alternative to the deal is not the ludicrous "leave without any deal" but "don't leave", and to support the latter position if the negotiated deal is one of a hard brexit.

There is nothing in that anywhere which is "not accepting the result" or "defying democracy".
 
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