Wargamers of AUKN, unite!

[ayase]

Agree to that. charity to that continent leaves me thinking
1 mugabi steals it anyway so whats the point?
2 they're a primitive race who still hack each other to pieces and are full of aids and HIV.
3 do like the australians and call out to them when their on boatloads across to england for the free benefits and easy living "turn your boat around or well sink it"

I don't wanna derail what's otherwise a kick-ass thread, but I really hope that was just an amusing impression of someone who believes everything they read in The Sun and BNP newsletters, Tach.

Im also against the aid for similar reasons. I had to do research into it; so no its not just from the Sun

Like I said, I don't really wanna derail this thread, as I quite like it being about Warhammer and not politics - but there are massive flaws with all of those reasons. I don't believe anyone who is properly informed from a variety of sources would still come to those conclusions. The "primitive" comment for example has no foundation in reality whatsoever, and is just racist. The biggest reason we should care however (aside from y'know, not wanting your fellow humans to suffer terribly) is that Africa Was Fine Until European Colonists ****** It Up.
And you like people to take responsibilty for their actions, right Spyro? :wink:

 

[shira]

Agree to that. charity to that continent leaves me thinking
1 mugabi steals it anyway so whats the point?
2 they're a primitive race who still hack each other to pieces and are full of aids and HIV.
3 do like the australians and call out to them when their on boatloads across to england for the free benefits and easy living "turn your boat around or well sink it"

I don't wanna derail what's otherwise a kick-ass thread, but I really hope that was just an amusing impression of someone who believes everything they read in The Sun and BNP newsletters, Tach.

Im also against the aid for similar reasons. I had to do research into it; so no its not just from the Sun

Like I said, I don't really wanna derail this thread, as I quite like it being about Warhammer and not politics - but there are massive flaws with all of those reasons. I don't believe anyone who is properly informed from a variety of sources would still come to those conclusions. The "primitive" comment for example has no foundation in reality whatsoever, and is just racist. The biggest reason we should care however (aside from y'know, not wanting your fellow humans to suffer terribly) is that Africa Was Fine Until European Colonists ****** It Up.
And you like people to take responsibilty for their actions, right Spyro? :wink:

Yeah, the primitive point is balls. However the money does go to corrupt politicians. At the end of the day; they may be worse off but its not really our problem. Sure we ****** em up, but hey, thats how things go in the world. People make other peoples lives a misery, and cant always provide the soloution. With the inflation rate in Africa at the moment sending money there is a lost cause; it merely contributes to infaltion. Charity should start at home. How can we fund a place about 5 times bigger than us??

Yeah, I dont WANT fellow humans to suffer terribly, but I dont wanna be a babysitter and try and help everyone. People make thier life what it is. If you come from a poor family; then your unlucky, and have to work harder. If you come from a rich family, then your lucky and get an easier ride. But we both know, that the poorer family will have a hell of a lot more respect for achieving something opposed to the richer.

 

[BlackWolf]

Okay...come on guys you can't fight in here...this is the wargames thread

besides if people want to give money to charity then let them, its their money after all, me i would give more money to charities like the RSPCA or the disease ones, but at the moment i don't have any money to spare anyway

 

[shira]

Okay...come on guys you can't fight in here...this is the wargames thread

besides if people want to give money to charity then let them, its their money after all, me i would give more money to charities like the RSPCA or the disease ones, but at the moment i don't have any money to spare anyway

But thats because Disease charities and the RSPCA are worthy causes.

 

[MrChom]

Okay...come on guys you can't fight in here...this is the wargames thread

besides if people want to give money to charity then let them, its their money after all, me i would give more money to charities like the RSPCA or the disease ones, but at the moment i don't have any money to spare anyway

I approve of paraphrasing Doctor Strangelove, you've just earned some places on my internal awesomeness rankings there.

Also, I agree, back on topic.

Anyone here played the new edition of 40k? How does it compare to 3rd/4th?

 

[Ryo Chan]

and does anyone have a clue why they're releasing yet another version of the space marine codec

 

[shira]

and does anyone have a clue why they're releasing yet another version of the space marine codec

Cause GW are money hungry bastards. Knowing Space Marines are the most popular, rereleasing the Codex will soak up more definate customers. 40K/Fantasy/LOTR etc. are great Table Top games but, GW are money hungry bastards. I could rant about this and explain why; but I dont wanna waste my time on them.

 

[BlackWolf]

Well you just have to look at the prices and what they used to be 5 years ago to know that they like money I consider new codexs to be rules revisions and updates, i don't think GW would even dare dress the same product up without making any changes and then releasing it again *hopes GW doesn't read this then go "wow that's a good idea we'll make millions" * but to be fair the last codex came out about 4 years ago

 

[redgore]

Its an expensive hobby for sure. Calling them greedy is IMO a bit far fetched. The cost of oil affects the prices big time as does things like metal prices. You also have to factor into it the design work and so forth.

The marines do get a preferential treatment but thats because they are the flagship line, they are always the first codex to be redone with any rule change.

Tomorrow I head off to Cardiff to take part in the Cardiff Carnage, should be a good weekend and hopefully I will finish mid table.

 

[MrChom]

Its an expensive hobby for sure. Calling them greedy is IMO a bit far fetched. The cost of oil affects the prices big time as does things like metal prices. You also have to factor into it the design work and so forth.

The marines do get a preferential treatment but thats because they are the flagship line, they are always the first codex to be redone with any rule change.

Tomorrow I head off to Cardiff to take part in the Cardiff Carnage, should be a good weekend and hopefully I will finish mid table.

GW have to be greedy, it's been less than a year since they posted pre-tax losses of £2.1m

At least the Codices are smaller now from a price point. I remember when the books themselves used to be £15-18 so you can forgive them for errata-ing them. That said, I can't help but feel that a lot of new players miss out on the fluff from the books. I used to read old codices in my spare time just for the stories on space marine chapters and such. Now it's...more of a pamphlet really.

 

[shira]

Its an expensive hobby for sure. Calling them greedy is IMO a bit far fetched. The cost of oil affects the prices big time as does things like metal prices. You also have to factor into it the design work and so forth.

The marines do get a preferential treatment but thats because they are the flagship line, they are always the first codex to be redone with any rule change.

Tomorrow I head off to Cardiff to take part in the Cardiff Carnage, should be a good weekend and hopefully I will finish mid table.

Mhm. Id say they are greedy bastards. When the company first started up the head of GW was a gamer; now its the head guy from Boots I belive who is soley here for the profit. He knows very little about the hobby. Its pretty sad; but thats how it goes. He had enough money to wave.

How do I know this? The staff at GW told me.

 

[BlackWolf]

Looking into more they blame their loses last year on being complacent over the succese of the lord of the rings brand which i can believe

When you say its the same guy who runs boots do you mean he left boots and went to GW?

 

[MrChom]

You want interesting tales about GW then ask Andrew Whelan who does marketing for Tokyopop. From what I remember he used to be a sales rep for GW (and you can talk to him about Blood Bowl for HOURS).

I was actually pretty amazed when he told me who GW considered to be their biggest competitors. UDE? Privateer? WotC? No.

McDonalds.

They want that kid coming out of school with a fiver in their pocket to buy a blister rather than a meal from McDonalds. Bizarre, no?

 

[Yagami]

Sure, games workshop or generally greedy (Telling the beginners they need about 100 paints for a space marine army, etc. - Not forgetting their overpriced crappy brushes), but, I don't think its a expensive hobby. It's actually, a pretty cheap hobby. Take a look at sports, eg. golf; People spend ALOT in golf; Have you ever been in a golf shop? Your talking about £1,000 for one good club - Whereas, in games workshop - It's about £50 for a battleforce/battalion, which, will keep you busy for a while (Building, painting, and not forgetting, playing).

I've personally found warhammer to be going down in prices. More people are playing warhammer, which means more stores, which means more employee's; Which means, more 50% off employee discounts. Whhhiiiccchhh meeeaaannnsss, more employees buying warhammer, and flogging it off on ebay, or their personal business sites, for 3/4 of the games workshop price.

The only time I ever buy from games workshop would be when I get some more paints. Or, playing in the shops; Other than that, I mainly get warhammer from ebay, and, http://www.gamingfigures.com

 

[shira]

Looking into more they blame their loses last year on being complacent over the succese of the lord of the rings brand which i can believe

When you say its the same guy who runs boots do you mean he left boots and went to GW?

Has enough money to run both.

Sure, games workshop or generally greedy (Telling the beginners they need about 100 paints for a space marine army, etc. - Not forgetting their overpriced crappy brushes), but, I don't think its a expensive hobby. It's actually, a pretty cheap hobby. Take a look at sports, eg. golf; People spend ALOT in golf; Have you ever been in a golf shop? Your talking about £1,000 for one good club - Whereas, in games workshop - It's about £50 for a battleforce/battalion, which, will keep you busy for a while (Building, painting, and not forgetting, playing).

That is a load of ********. I used to play golf. Its a one of payment for clubs and balls and a membership. Then when needed and you have cash for a better club you'll never spend more than £500. THE MOST EXPENSIVE is about £700 unless you go online n ****.

Also you want PLAY with that one battalion that much, because you'll lose, and then need to spend MORE on units. If that unit sucks? Gotta spend MORE or MORE units until you get a winning forumla. In total an army comes to at least £200-£300. That is; if its to win any games. Now im not saying winning is everything, but losing all the time will suck balls.

They want that kid coming out of school with a fiver in their pocket to buy a blister rather than a meal from McDonalds. Bizarre, no?

Proves their idiots, doesnt it?

 

[BlackWolf]

Ah but what about the people who do it just for the painting and collecting? Then they on average may spend less then those who game. Also while i know its not illegal it seems a bit too random for me to believe but whatever i don't care who's at the top, could be the stay puff marshmellow man for what i care. Besides Yagami proved a good point anyway, you can buy online to get stuff cheaper then shop price, i got some tomb kings chariots for £12 (£1 p&p) that way

 

[shira]

Ah but what about the people who do it just for the painting and collecting? Then they on average may spend less then those who game. Also while i know its not illegal it seems a bit too random for me to believe but whatever i don't care who's at the top, could be the stay puff marshmellow man for what i care. Besides Yagami proved a good point anyway, you can buy online to get stuff cheaper then shop price, i got some tomb kings chariots for £12 (£1 p&p) that way

Yeah I get you. Its still a pain in the arse though. Also I care whos at the top, cause that governs the releases and prices to an extent. I mean; the guy at the moments an asshole. Yeah, you can get stuff online cheaper, its still enough money to get the Army together. Its hardly cheap. And people who Paint/Collect will be constantly buying more :? So thats ********. They arent gonna just stop; they ALWAYS need more; at least when you get a good gaming army you dont but more.

 

[MrChom]

Any hobby requires expense....lots of expense. I mean I play World of Warcraft TCG, and the last order I put in at the supplier for myself and my team for new boxes was (brace yourself) £1,200. Aother hobby, videogaming...I've probably spent over £2,000 in the last 4 years on that (PC, 360, PS2, modded XBox, and a 400 DVD wallet that's half full of games.)

To put it in comparison £400 for a decently sized army isn't that bad. It's not like you'll only ever use it once either, I've got models bought off someone else from the 1980s that still see play.

If we wanted a cheap hobby we'd all have taken up Origami

 

[redgore]

They are now a business who have a board and stock holders that they have to answer to.
Privateer Press do not have the retail prescence that games workshop has at least not over here, same with most of the other "big" companies. Wizards are primarily roleplay hence have no direct competition.

Spyro: I have been doing the hobby a long time and I would say my win to lose ratio is about 1:200. It is a social hobby when you get outside of your local games workshop.

 

[BlackWolf]

They are now a business who have a board and stock holders that they have to answer to.
Privateer Press do not have the retail prescence that games workshop has at least not over here, same with most of the other "big" companies. Wizards are primarily roleplay hence have no direct competition.

Spyro: I have been doing the hobby a long time and I would say my win to lose ratio is about 1:200. It is a social hobby when you get outside of your local games workshop.

Plus Wizards have Magic: The Gathering which is doing well still

But yeah that's something i was thinking of last night as well afterall we don't know the full factors that go on behind the scenes

good reasoning there MrChom though i would like to know what you bought for that TCG with that price (i imagine a few booster boxes among other things i'm guessing)