mrclt1994
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Unboxing video I just found on YouTube for Black Lagoon CE from Funimation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rblKO-ktkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rblKO-ktkM
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robot monkey
Hunter
Mrclt1994 said:
Thanks. That's a lot more compact than I was expecting. Some of the inner box looks damaged.
Other than the artbook there is nothing really extra that makes me want to buy them again.
robot monkey
Hunter
Gemsy-chan said:
The desperate sounding story description said it all...
crashmatt
Death Scythe
Pony Canyon would crash & burn in the UK market. There is no way anyone would pay that kind of money for 4 episodes. $200 for a 12 episode series? What planet are these guys on. All The Anime at least have the sense not to split 12 episode shows. I can't see Pony Canyon being around in the long run.
Buzz201
Mad Scientist
crashmatt said:
The way Aniplex are going, it sounds like that might happen sooner rather than later. Andrew made comments about Durarara!!x2 and Aldnoah.Zero that implied Aniplex were trying to push that strategy on him and had increased the hold clause in response (but he never explicitly said it, so maybe I'm reading too much into his comments).
Kaze were also planning to split their release of Terraformars into two parts, but they were only charging £21 for part 1 (although now I've thought about it, I paid £23 for all 13 episodes of Danganronpa on the day of release, so that's still very expensive).
Invisible Crane
Adventurer
As far as I'm aware this show has no actual nudity (i.e female nipples being exposed), they must be that desperate to sell this show if you ask meGemsy-chan said:
HdE
Comic Book Guy
crashmatt said:
To be honest, I can see a push toward that kind of pricing happening. And anime fans need to resist / decry it pretty loudly, in my opinion.
The fact is, it's a pretty contemptible release strategy. If you asked me to pay £200 for a series like, say, Attack on Titan or Psycho Pass (and I use those just becuase they were shows I held off from buyng for a while, but really, really enjoyed, and they run to 26 / 24 episodes apiece) then I'd still find it laughable. But the quality of the show would give me pause to think. Bottom line, I wouldn't be able to afford it. So I'd never buy it.
But if you were to ask me to pay £200 over four sets of Aldnoah Zero, I'd actually start getting proactive and complaining to people - including the distributor - and not minding my manners about how I did it. Because £200 for a show which is frankly, in my opinion, an enormous pile of ****, is a mickey take.
Japanese licensors need to understand: the more they try to ask for those prices, the less attractive their product looks. It'll kill the blind buys and curiosity purchases and further shrink the home video market for this stuff.
Hell - PonyCanyon? Just stay the hell out of the UK if that's how you want to do things.
Buzz201
Mad Scientist
HdE said:
Psycho-Pass is only 22 episodes (or 11 if you watch the Extended Edition), at £200, you're looking at almost £10 an episode.
The trouble is Japanese licensors only see the Japanese market where they can go for quite frankly insane release strategies, and have some evidence to suggest lowering prices will not increase sales, so it looks to them like Western distributors are giving their product away. Shawne Kleckner of RightStuf partly attributes the increase in collector's editions to this - as Japan thinks we should pay more and Western companies know CEs are the only way to make that happen. Apparently the failure of Bandai Visual JP's US venture and complaints about PonyCanUSA and Aniplex of America never made it to their shores.
jonno394
Za Warudo
End of the day, everyone has a threshold that they don't want to cross regarding pricing. I don't want to be paying more than £50 for a 12 episodes blu ray release, and even then that's pushing it (Ideally I'm paying £38 for an anime limited style release with box and book). Akame Ga Kill is not on my to buy list because it is well outside this price atm.
If it starts getting higher than that, then I just move to watching whatever is available via legal streaming or just quit altogether.
Edit - as it stands I think I spent just over £100 on kill la kill and will likely spend the same on sword art online 2. They all come with nice books and boxes though and average out at around £50 per cour. Probably the priciest sets I'll have bought recently.
If it starts getting higher than that, then I just move to watching whatever is available via legal streaming or just quit altogether.
Edit - as it stands I think I spent just over £100 on kill la kill and will likely spend the same on sword art online 2. They all come with nice books and boxes though and average out at around £50 per cour. Probably the priciest sets I'll have bought recently.
HdE
Comic Book Guy
Buzz201 said:
Duh! Yeah. I dun a brain fart. But when you put the cost into that context, it really hammers the point home.
Buzz201 said:
This sort of paints a picture of a bubble that has to burst at some point. And you have to wonder why concerns may not be getting relayed back to Japan.
Also,
britguy said:
My point exactly. My thresholds are, by necessity, a good bit lower than yours. But they do fluctuate in light of considerations like, say, whether the show in question is something I think I'll get a lot of re-watch value from. I'm less inclined to bitch about the price of movies on that count. But ultimately, the point you raise is really good - that there comes a point where you look at a price and say 'I can't afford that.' Which means no sale, and no product reaching part of the audience that's basically agreeable to it.
jonno394
Za Warudo
If I ever get priced out, I will likely not complain or demand lower prices because at the end of the day anime is a hobby and not something I have a right to. Yes I'll be sad I was priced out but it's a luxury product and something I think I'll be able to live without.
I can't see that happening for the very reason you point out. If companies raise it above a certain point then their audience will collapse and the market will not sustain itself.
I can't see that happening for the very reason you point out. If companies raise it above a certain point then their audience will collapse and the market will not sustain itself.
Buzz201
Mad Scientist
HdE said:
I should clarify that "Apparently the failure of Bandai Visual JP's US venture and complaints about PonyCanUSA and Aniplex of America never made it to their shores." was sarcasm on my part, rather than a statement of fact.
In Aniplex of America's case, what I've heard of EJ Riviera gives me the impression that perhaps Aniplex JP had either outright declined reasonably priced releases or had made it abundantly clear they weren't willing to indulge in that kind of behaviour. I couldn't point to any specific reasons why though, and I try and avoid listening to him too much, because he seems really out of his depth when he gets asked about their pricing strategy.
Speaking of Bandai Visual USA, last night I listened to the 2007 presentation where fans literally told them that their pricing would not work.
It's really interesting.
It's really interesting.
DragonBlaze67
Combat Butler
Buzz201 said:
Just to update you if you didn't know, Durarara!!x2 is being released per cour so they'll be 3 sets for the series instead of the 6 that Aniplex are releasing. Andrews comments were probably from earlier in the Summer but this was announced at London MCM Comic Con I think.
I imagine Aldnoah.Zero will be released as 2 sets for the entire series as well, if they were going to match Aniplexs 4 sets they would started releasing them by now.
As of yet, AL haven't shown that they're planning to split up 12 episode shows, only sets I've seen have less than the 1 cour amount are Aniplexs Kill la Kill & Sword Art Online (correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's right).
Also Kaze is no longer releasing Terraformars, Warner Bros is handling that release like the did JoJo.
Buzz201
Mad Scientist
DragonBlaze67 said:
I know all that. Andrew was asked a few weeks back by thedoctor2016 why Aldnoah.Zero was taking so long and Andrew said that it was because he was pushing for at least full cour sets. Which to my mind implies Aniplex were attempted to push their 6 episode strategy on Anime Ltd., but maybe I'm reading too much into that.
I know Kaze is not releasing Terraformars. This might be the one situation where a Kaze crapfest is the preferable alternative.
DragonBlaze67
Combat Butler
Buzz201 said:
You're probably right that Aniplex are trying to push for 4 sets of 6 episodes each but given no date has been set yet we can assume talks are still taking place and no release strategy has been finalised. I'm sure with Andrew saying we should get at least full cour sets that's what we'll get, we'll just have to wait longer so Aniplex aren't worried about reserve importation. Durarara!!x2 was in the same situation and Andrew managed to get that for full cour sets.
Buzz201
Mad Scientist
DragonBlaze67 said:
Something I picked up on that nobody else seems to have is that Aldnoah.Zero was originally announced as 2x12 episode sets, with the first scheduled for 2015 Q4. Then things went quiet for a few months, suddenly AL no longer knew what their release strategy was, and that release date was quietly dropped. Now Andrew says he had to fight for full cours of certain titles.
Maybe its just me, but that sounds a lot like Aniplex agreed a release strategy, then backed out in an attempt to force 6 episode sets on AL. The question is, why? and, will it happen more regularly?
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