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st_owly

I know what you mean but I'm confused about the Nekomonogatari Black....cause there's supposed to be a white version of it or something .......I mean does the white matter or what?

I know black is getting released over here and I'm sure monogatari will get released too

I swear these names are confusing lol
 
White is a sequel to Black, you just need to watch them in the order NormanicGrav listed. You will want both of them if you're collecting the series.

R
 
Manga UK on Twitter discussing Cardcaptor Sakura:
I think I know why we didn't win the UK license for #CardcaptorSakura. It's because we are not willing to charge you guys $250 for it! >JM

Seriously! Who out there wants to buy this http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...akura-tv-anime for this price? It's ridiculous. If Manga had it we would put it out as 2 x 35 episode box sets at around £35-£40 each. Still a damn sight cheaper than the NIS set. Seriously? How many people can afford to buy this? It makes my blood boil. >JM

AH! I see. We're splitting hairs at this point as we don't actually have the license. So can't sell it anyway. Are you aware that on 80% of all anime licenses we acquire for UK we have to adhere to strict holdbacks allowing the US distributor up top 6 months exclusivity on their release. Which f***s us on a lot titles, but we still suck it up as there isn't anything else for us to do. They say "bend over" and we say "where?". #Animeconomics101 ;D>JM

Huh. I thought they spend 3 months producing a PAL format after the Australian release (if DVD is NTSC) then release both formats together.
 
animefreak17 said:
st_owly

I know what you mean but I'm confused about the Nekomonogatari Black....cause there's supposed to be a white version of it or something .......I mean does the white matter or what?

I know black is getting released over here and I'm sure monogatari will get released too

I swear these names are confusing lol

They are different arcs, black is effectively an OAV about Hanekawa and covers the events we briefly got a glimpse of near the end of the original Monogatari series -the 1st time her cat spirit went on a rampage

White is the 1st arc of the new season, and also is about Hanekawa

Rui said:
White is a sequel to Black, you just need to watch them in the order NormanicGrav listed. You will want both of them if you're collecting the series.

R

Beat me to it slightly :)

I do wonder if release order or chronological order is better, the element of the unknown added by watching in release order is quite nice.
 
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NormanicGrav said:
Manga UK on Twitter discussing Cardcaptor Sakura:
I think I know why we didn't win the UK license for #CardcaptorSakura. It's because we are not willing to charge you guys $250 for it! >JM

Seriously! Who out there wants to buy this http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...akura-tv-anime for this price? It's ridiculous. If Manga had it we would put it out as 2 x 35 episode box sets at around £35-£40 each. Still a damn sight cheaper than the NIS set. Seriously? How many people can afford to buy this? It makes my blood boil. >JM

AH! I see. We're splitting hairs at this point as we don't actually have the license. So can't sell it anyway. Are you aware that on 80% of all anime licenses we acquire for UK we have to adhere to strict holdbacks allowing the US distributor up top 6 months exclusivity on their release. Which f***s us on a lot titles, but we still suck it up as there isn't anything else for us to do. They say "bend over" and we say "where?". #Animeconomics101 ;D>JM

Huh. I thought they spend 3 months producing a PAL format after the Australian release (if DVD is NTSC) then release both formats together.

Also:
We actually thought we had a deal in place for Japanese language only version on DVD to release last year and it fell through.>JM
 
I like how Jerome instantly makes the same bloody mistake half their sodding audience does by listing the RRP rather than the actual sales price (~£105 on Rightstuf)
Let's put that into context. Depending on the title, that's four Sentai half sets for around the same price (Or slightly more), for less in the way of episodes and bog standard packaging.

I don't really think that he's is in a position to complain when Manga is the company which is partially the problem when it comes to licensing anime for the UK. This is the same company which wants to sell as many bog standard copies as physically possible for a dirt cheap price, and then wonders why companies like Aniplex impose licensing restrictions, or why the deal for CSS fell through.

I'm also going to guess that part of Jerome's rant stems from the fact that the deal to release CSS here fell through, but why he feels the need to rant about the release strategy of another company for a older niche title on twitter, which comes on BD with 70 Dual Audio episodes, an artbox and artbook for a reasonable price is beyond me, especially considering nothing Manga releases is anything like this at all. Do they not consider that people don't always want the bare minimum? I honestly couldn't tell you the last time I bought a MangaUK release.

The whole rant just screams, "I am the embodiment of the UK fandom and I want it cheap, agree with me people".

Are you aware that on 80% of all anime licenses we acquire for UK we have to adhere to strict holdbacks allowing the US distributor up top 6 months exclusivity on their release.
Well, looks like we've gone from 3 months to 6 months all of a sudden. If you stopped creating your own PAL conversions then maybe you'd be able to get titles out a bit faster.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the people behind Manga, but this whole stupid rant just puts them in a negative light.
 
Well yeah, pay what it's worth, sure but are you seriously OK with paying that much for that show? Hell, if it was four season boxsets for equivalent that'd be fine but £200 (google says it's £140 and there's the actual sell price to conciser but that's before shipping and like fun customs wouldn't sodomise you raw for the pleasure) in the one go for CCS in the optimal format (if there's a BR version, the DVD can and will be a down-sample) is ludicrous.
Edit: Oh and it's region locked, have fun with that.

On the other hand, Jerome/Manga best hush if all they're going to do is whine and do nothing about it. (and before you jump me, I rent my anime so I do little to help thier bottom line)

I still get the eminence desire to punch a small kitten into space every time companies do this whole "Gate the BR in the Ultimate Edition" ********, though. Some people just want the show and couldn't care for the Calendar Girls of Tomoeda Elementary School Calender, you know?
 
Jerome, sometimes just announcing a title, even if it is 6 months further down the line, is enough to make some people halt their importing of the US release.

It was like that with me for Attack on Titan.
 
Mangaranga said:
Don't get me wrong, I really like the people behind Manga, but this whole stupid rant just puts them in a negative light.

And put's them at a potential disadvantage if they want to try and approach NISA to sub-licence this title (or others) now

It'd be easy to spin things in a different manner with similar sentiment

e.g - 'release looks great, I'd probably aim for 2 DvD sets for a UK release if we can get it'

That conveys to us what he'd do it the UK without actually criticising the US release plan.
 
I'll be really disappointed if MVM had Garden of Sinners (should have gone to AL to handle the quality and packaging [if they had to split the films up, AL could have done a nice set to make up for it and even an artbox to fit all of the films. Heck they could have done an Blu-ray Ultimate Edition for about SRP £200]).
 
NormanicGrav said:
I'll be really disappointed if MVM had Garden of Sinners (should have gone to AL to handle the quality and packaging [if they had to split the films up, AL could have done a nice set to make up for it and even an artbox to fit all of the films. Heck they could have done an Blu-ray Ultimate Edition for about SRP £200]).

Oh yes that would have been the ideal route but i'll take what I can get :)
 
Dannielle said:
Would of killed for a UK release of CCS too :| ..what are the chances of it being picked up now a deal fell through? Someone sends in another deal and maybe it gets accepted? Unsure on how this stuff works

I'd say it's a remote chance at the moment, with Manga UK apparently intent on burning their bridges and MVM being a little shy about long-ish magical girl titles these days. Andrew might know more?

Jerome's one-sided comments actually made me want the US version more, especially since it's probably going to be around £130 in real money and contain 70 episodes with a reasonable disc count. In a world where we're getting shoddy artboxes which don't fit, dodgy Franglais releases from our silent overlords at Kaze and entire shows stuffed onto single discs to save money, NISA's Cardcaptor Sakura is a bargain. I assume that it being a NISA release there will be a standard edition later on if it sells well (which it almost certainly will, no matter what the geniuses at Manga UK think).

R
 
britguy said:
Dannielle said:
Would of killed for a UK release of CCS too :| ..what are the chances of it being picked up now a deal fell through? Someone sends in another deal and maybe it gets accepted? Unsure on how this stuff works.

MVM are throwing out some heavy hints for Garden Of Sinners: https://www.facebook.com/MVMEntertainme ... eam_ref=10

Give me a release with a nice box like Fat/Zero has and i'll be ecstatic :eek:


FURCK I GOT £100 READY TO THROW AT THE SCREEN IF THEY GET THE LICENSE OF GARDEN OF SINNERS!!! MAN I JUST CANT WORK ANYMORE TODAY, I AM OUT OF HERE MUAHAHAHAHHA

ps: expecting nothing less than at least a blu-ray release here...
 
Rui said:
Dannielle said:
Would of killed for a UK release of CCS too :| ..what are the chances of it being picked up now a deal fell through? Someone sends in another deal and maybe it gets accepted? Unsure on how this stuff works

I'd say it's a remote chance at the moment, with Manga UK apparently intent on burning their bridges and MVM being a little shy about long-ish magical girl titles these days. Andrew might know more?

Jerome's one-sided comments actually made me want the US version more, especially since it's probably going to be around £130 in real money and contain 70 episodes with a reasonable disc count. In a world where we're getting shoddy artboxes which don't fit, dodgy Franglais releases from our silent overlords at Kaze and entire shows stuffed onto single discs to save money, NISA's Cardcaptor Sakura is a bargain. I assume that it being a NISA release there will be a standard edition later on if it sells well (which it almost certainly will, no matter what the geniuses at Manga UK think).

R

Made me chuckle.

Hmm, I might throw Andrew a tweet and see the chances of a license. Thanks.

Going through Manga's tweets, it appears that Psycho Pass (both DVD & BD) will be out in July (part 1) & September (part 2) with Amazon putting up pre-orders for Q3 (maybe Q4? I dunno) on the 5/6 of May.
 
Re. Manga pricing discussion on CCS - I thought I saw a tweet saying the price weren't as bad once someone had explained the more likely actual price for importers. Though can't seem to find it now. Jerome will also happily wait another year to secure CCS.

Just picking on a few other random tweets of his:
@jedi58 Contrary to many other companies in Japan and USA we believe in the quality of the content and its ability to bring in an audience.
@jedi58 I've always believed in a volume driven sales business. Not a price driven business. I want anime to be accessible. And we do that
@jedi58 ...by picking the most commercial shows and pricing them fairly. We do alright. Could we make more money? Yes, but we'd have to...
I wonder if he realises it can come across as 'we'll sell as cheap as possible to sell titles because people won't pay higher for the quality of our titles'.

Interesting tweets regarding Aniplex USA titles:
I know! And I am very sorry. We licensed from AniplexUSA and had to agree to sell it over 4 volumes in order to secure
...the license, plus they wanted to know our prices wouldn't conflict with the Japanese version. I can foresee most future...
...releases we take from Aniplex will have to be priced and released in parts in much the same way. Not my choice.
If this is the case, how did MVM manage to do a different to the usual standard release for Fate/Zero.

Also regarding High School DXD
Just to clarify: the Blu-ray version of #HighschoolDxD is Blu-ray only, not a combo pack as some retailers have advertised. ^JG
 
I usually agree with stuff Jerome says, but this time I don't really accept any of what he has come out with.

To me, Manga's attitude on quality of content seems like 'chuck it out there and blame someone higher up the chain for any errors'.
 
Very interesting roundup, thanks!

reborn said:
Interesting tweets regarding Aniplex USA titles:
I know! And I am very sorry. We licensed from AniplexUSA and had to agree to sell it over 4 volumes in order to secure
...the license, plus they wanted to know our prices wouldn't conflict with the Japanese version. I can foresee most future...
...releases we take from Aniplex will have to be priced and released in parts in much the same way. Not my choice.
If this is the case, how did MVM manage to do a different to the usual standard release for Fate/Zero.

I imagine that each distributor has its own set of negotiation skills, and that's why some companies end up with having subtitles locked more often than others and so on. The real choice probably boils down to something like "you can pay the normal amount to license this show with locked subtitles, or three times that amount to give your customers a better release". And some companies are more flexible about that kind of thing than others given their anticipated margins for each individual title. Perhaps MVM's business plan was more flexible or Fate/Zero has already made its money back - the US rerelease comes in two halves as well, so it matches the release format. Perhaps Aniplex USA just like MVM better because they're less prone to blaming their own business partners on Twitter.

I'm glad Jerome clarified this because I was getting a bit tired with the standard "lol, Aniplex Japan is irrationally paranoid" assumptions that the UK companies enjoy allowing to circulate (as it relieves them of responsibility). So it was Aniplex USA who requested the release format, and presumably the discussion went something like this (prices made up by me):

Manga UK: We want to release it priced less than £30 each as customers here don't like to pay more than that for a single purchase.
Aniplex USA: Well, you can't release the whole thing like that - it would be ludicrous and make us look bad for charging more when we had to pay out more than you do to fund the dub and authoring etc. You can release it in sets priced under £30 but you still have to make them pay at least £100 for the full series or we won't agree.
Manga UK: Ok then.

I understand that the creators hold the reins and can hand down bizarre requirements for no logical reason, but it is implausible that Manga UK and the like would still be in this business if they were as powerless as they like to pretend that they are. They obviously go into the negotiations with a business plan and can refuse if they don't think they can make it work (and they'd probably be right that CCS wouldn't sell well to the kind of customer Manga UK wants at a premium price).

I think the Japanese (and US) companies are right to want to protect the perception of their titles having actual value, otherwise at some point all fans are going to question why they're paying real money for cheap, glitchy discs when they could just be streaming or (in some cases) doing DTO. Manga UK's model is fine for high volume sellers but completely worthless for anything niche, and even big titles are probably moving more towards the latter category than the former these days. I'd rather Manga UK's model doesn't take my preferred model down with it, especially since my favourite shows are among those which Manga UK considers poor sellers.

R
 
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