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ayase is absolutely right I think, if you watch stuff along political lines (the red pill movie I'd say is also guilty of being one of those) then you wouldn't really enjoy it, you're just doing it to angry up the blood. I didn't watch the first hour of it, only like 40 mins? I had to go shopping and received the films I bought yesterday. what surprised me though is that it was getting into gloria's older appearances and a lot I mean a lot of her talking points to male show hosts and the like are almost word for word what the guys I watch on YT bring up, the same things countless feminist bloggers write about. about the time I turned it off the show host at that point was asking about some of these women who could be nurses not taking jobs as garbage "men" what I hear these days from a man's point is why aren't women builders, it's pretty much the same damn thing. her daughter does talk over an old clip of a woman in the audience of one show she calls "alt right" but you won't hear that women's point, just the daughter talking over her. yes, the documentary has an obvious agenda but it's the fact that the points of 40/50 years ago are the same today, but women do have it better then 40/50 years ago, their not laughed out of being CEOs today, but they won't take the same "garbagemen" jobs, then still bark on about gender equality in every job.

ok, I admit that's a bit of a circle jerk and way too political, but damn do things ever sound the same as they did
 
I think we're living in a very bad time for people refusing outright to acknowledge that opposing views to theirs might have any merit at all, and a lot of (currently, quite glaring and obnoxious) media bias reflects that - A public figure is either a demon or a saint whether it's Allred, Trump, Churchill or pretty much anyone else you can think of. Everyone seems to be entrenched in their safe spaces on the left and on the right, patting each other on the back about how right they are and how utterly wrong (and what's more, totally unreasonable) their opponents are and only emerging to hurl abuse at the other side. It's like no-one's even trying to understand or reasonably debate anyone else any more. They just seem to enjoy hating each other.
 
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The most interesting part for me about the red pill movie is not actually the content of the documentary itself but the reaction feminist had towards the film instead of letting people watch the film and make up there own opinions on the content of the film they try to shut down screenings and try and demonize the filmmaker. Why are they so afraid of people having difference opinions to them are they worried the people will wise up to the ********.
 
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The most interesting part for me about the red pill movie is not actually the content of the documentary itself but the reaction feminist had towards the film
I would say that's why Netflix refused it. I see Netflix as something politically nutreul, but no one cares if the allred documentary is on there, they just don't want reaction from people for the red pill, people acting as if it's being forced on them or something
 
Feminism has become just another form of sexism to me. Equality for women I'm all for and any woman who wants to be treated equally should be but feminism in the media is just militant and less about women's rights to do something if they choose to and more about demanding other women have the same viewpoints and abide by these militant laws and concepts of right and wrong..... Maybe Feminism isn't actually a new form of sexism but the birth of a new world religion!
 
I don't think it's possible to even make a single objectively true or false statement about feminism, because like any label people self describe as it will contain both fair-minded, reasonable people and rabid extremists - all of which have totally different ideas about what their "ism" is about. For example, Francois Hollande calls himself a socialist, so does Robert Mugabe. Their beliefs are hardly in alignment. It's the same with feminism.
 
Feminism has become just another form of sexism to me. Equality for women I'm all for and any woman who wants to be treated equally should be but feminism in the media is just militant and less about women's rights to do something if they choose to and more about demanding other women have the same viewpoints and abide by these militant laws and concepts of right and wrong..... Maybe Feminism isn't actually a new form of sexism but the birth of a new world religion!
Well I wound call myself egallitarion and a movement specifically for women ( I mean come on, feminism) isn't really needed, what's needed is looking at the problems we have beyond that lens. The problem is almost all social media, and certainly the media in the UK are pretty much displaying the worst parts of feminism as a badge of pride now
 
@ayase you're absolutely right but the problem is, as @Captaaainuniverse says the media is giving the most time to the worst examples and so reasonable people who want to use the term will end up distancing themselves from it because of this.

For instance I have a friend who's a Vegan but he finds it hard to talk about with people because veganism is another militant seeming movement & all because the ones making the noise & getting the attention are the 'my way or else' crowd. These idiots aren't helping their causes, they're just making them look more unusual and ridiculous but they selfishly continue because they like that power trip feeling (supposition on my part.)
 
Well, most of the media, the politicians and big business enjoy (and always have enjoyed) anything that puts ordinary people at each others' throats, it stops them coming together to unite against them. Race, sex, nationality, if a difference exists they'll exploit it for their own ends.
 
Well, most of the media, the politicians and big business enjoy (and always have enjoyed) anything that puts ordinary people at each others' throats, it stops them coming together to unite against them. Race, sex, nationality, if a difference exists they'll exploit it for their own ends.
I think that's giving governments too much credit. They are far more useless then some people think, they may have law making powers but nothing to make anyone actually follow those laws, at least not on the grand scale. Democracy is a popularity contest, and politician not leaning into the loudest brand of politics lose out, especially in divisive times like today
 
But don't you think those divisions are being purposely stirred up, as @serpantino mentioned, by the media concentrating on the loudest, most controversial opinions thereby giving them more exposure and airtime? Ultimately someone is responsible for that decision and they have a reason for doing it, which personally I believe runs a lot deeper than just selling papers or raising viewing figures.

If it's not the government (which as a unit no, I don't think it is. Individual politicians with ties to the journalists and media owners though? Look at friggin' Michael Gove and Boris Johnson - Both in deep with the media) then it's certainly the media owners. The Murdoch owned press in particular has made sowing division among the plebs (which coincidentally gave his political friends like Thatcher breathing space to do what they like) its business for decades.
 
The politicians need the media more than the media need them, and most journalists I find tend to be militant feminist and tend to give favour to politicians who spout similar ideals to there own, which is why most politicians are so politically correct.
 
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The media turns on politicians at the drop of a penny. They use sensationalism and terror purely because it makes them the most money. It's the same as how the BBC has started employing rubbish social media type topics & headlines on their site as well as real news (even stooping so far as titles such as: you'll never guess....)

Netflix paying TV companies money to put on big budget cabaret/talent show,dancing butlins holiday rubbish and constant adverts to keep me with them instead of buying a TV license is totally real though.
 
I would have thought most politicians are probably politically correct because they're politicians. Political language itself is designed to be ambiguous and not to offend people, because conventional wisdom says that as a politician you want to appeal to as many voters as possible. Not saying that works so well as a tactic any more, but I think that's probably why. You can win with divisive language - Winning with 51% of the vote while 49% of voters would like to see you put up against the wall and shot is still winning, but it's not really winning over the people of your country.

That kind of leads back to what I was saying before about people not being willing to listen to each other any more. If people stop being open to changing their minds when presented with new information or being won over by someone's arguments... well then politics itself is dead and the only way to break the deadlock will be open conflict. Not sure if that's really what most people want, but increasing numbers seem to. People on the right and the left have been radicalised, there's no other word I can think of to describe it. And I think we have the media to blame for that.

most journalists I find tend to be militant feminist
I think if you really looked into it Ken, you'd soon discover that not to be the case. For every article by a "militant feminist" (of course ymmv on what you consider a "militant feminist" in the first place) you might find in the Guardian or the Independent, I guarantee you'll find ten articles about "Political correctness gone mad" or bashing Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbott in the Sun, the Daily Mail or the Telegraph. Or even the Times. The idea of liberal bias in the media, certainly in the UK where a decent chunk of it is owned by arch right winger Rupert Murdoch can, I think, only be described as absolute b*ll*cks. Sensationalism in the media, sure. But I think there's more than enough of that from the right as well as the left.
 
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Well I mean we could get into listing TV journalists and their political biases, but there's honestly things I'd rather be doing. The BBC certainly employs more than a few on the right of the spectrum too - Andrew Neil and Nick Robinson, for instance. The BBC I would say are more "establishment" than right or left. Channel 4? Yeah, I'd say they're fairly left-liberal leaning. But then there's Sky News, which leans the other way. I still think you'd have a hard time proving the claim "most journalists are militant feminists" whether in print or TV.

ps. While I was Googling to see if I'd spelled Andrew Neil's name right (I didn't, I put two Ls on the end) I was suddenly confronted with the Daily Express, a newspaper I think I must have tried to block out of my mind, such is its absurd level of bias which puts even the other red tops to shame. The Express website currently features (I kid you not) a Jacob Rees-Mogg’s best Brexit quotes slideshow including such gems as "I want the BEST Brexit" and "Free movement must end after Brexit". I'd be willing to guess that militant feminists, the people who put that together are probably not. So you get some bias, I get some bias, everyone gets a bit of bias.
 
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I think sky news is further right than the bbc but I wouldn't say there far right, as for proving most tv journalist are militant feminist that's probably easier than you'd think it would be, what with social media and people putting there opinions online for the whole world to see.
 

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I think sky news is further right than the bbc but I wouldn't say there far right, as for proving most tv journalist are militant feminist that's probably easier than you'd think it would be, what with social media and people putting there opinions online for the whole world to see.
I'm genuinely curious how you define a militant feminist. I don't really do the whole politics thing, but from what I've seen online, the concept generally seems to be some kind of made up boogie man the insane far right people like to complain about.