vashdaman said:
I would agree that the more quiet moments of interaction between Ponyo, Soseki and his mother are certainly the best moments in the movie (though, how anyone can even slightly begrudge the fantastical scenes when they're delivered in such visual magnificence, I don't know), but then, that trait is pretty consistent among nearly all of Miyazaki's movies I've seen (at least the ones starring child protagonists).
I can't say that Ponyo was perfectly put together, and that there weren't certain elements that could have been fleshed out a bit more. But that didn't matter to me as I felt that Miyazaki achieved the most important feat: delivering the watcher (at least me) back to their childhood (or indeed the childhood of children you may have known), and to a state of unbridled wonder and awe, while never devolving to the overt cheese fests that oh so many Disney films do. It's a ode to the best aspects of childhood, as far as I am concerned.
I certainly don't deny there was visual spectacle, but it was, to me, self-indulgent and without purpose. All the stuff with Ponyo's escape and all the fish pouring out of the sea, but there was no real point to it. I find the movies that irk me most are the ones which have no point. I don't mean that philosophically and I don't mean that nothing happened in them. Avengers was certainly not making any kind of point but the film HAD a point (I use this as it is a recent example, I'm well aware Avengers does not represent the pinnacle of cinema, but I'm trying to explain my point about points
): it was about disparate people coming together to face a greater threat. THere is struggle and tension and emotional involvement.
Ponyo was about a girl who escaped her father and ends up becoming human. We dont' really see her learn anything, we don't feel that she grows as a character. SHe nearly dies a couple of times but neither are particularly tense moments. THe greatest moment of tension is during the big storm, but the film seems to go out of its way to show how perfectly ok everything is. The father says the world will basically end if Ponyo doesn't become human, or stay pure fish (which is really poorly explained as to why this will happen), but there is absolutely zero tension. The whole situation gets defused with a short exchange of a matter of sentences.
Again, I appreciate the strangeness of this given Totoro is kind of pointless too, but at least in that there was the tension at the end with the ill sister (am I remembering that right? Was she ill or lost?)
I'm probably being overly harsh, especially on a children's film, but movie that make me feel like I wasted my time frustrate me. Green Lantern (sorry to beat the hero horse again, it just happens to be the last mediocre movie I watched) was by many accounts a really sub-par film, but I still came away from that feeling it had a point.
VoxPhantom said:
I think it'd be a little harsh to write off all the rest of the Ghibli films just like that. Nausicaa (though not
technically a Ghibli production) is a fantastic watch in my opinion. Then again, I'm of the opinion that Princess Mononoke is one of the greatest films ever, whilst according to your scale, you don't really have an opinion one way or the other towards it.
Each to their own, after all!
Edit: I have a feeling that I may be the only person in the world with any kind of positive feelings towards Tales from Earthsea. :lol:
Mmm... I may dip into the final "big" ones, but honestly? I just feel like "I've spent nearly 22 hours of my life watching these movies, of which the overall summary is about 11 hours enjoyment. I think it's fair to say I've given Miyazaki enough of my time." =P THere are other series more suited to my tastes that I've yet to see. I still need to finish Rainbow and Planetes and GITSSAC and I want to give Aoi Bungaku a go. Ghibli is just in my way at this point.
ayase said:
You've seen a pretty varied cross section then, but to stop now and miss out on Nausicaä, Laputa, Kiki's Delivery Service and Whisper of the Heart? Madness. That's some of Ghibli's best work right there. If you liked Howl I can't see you disliking Laputa; it's somewhat hard to judge what you'd think of the others.
Cagliostro is definitely more Miyazaki than it is Lupin, but it's still an excellent film... surely it deserves at least a plus sign?
Hnngh... I just think it's basically Miyazaki's style which I dislike and the Ghibli style in general. It's not to my tastes. If I watched more it would be to say I had seen them, not from any desire to and I think at that point is when you need to step back and say "My time is better spent doing something I enjoy, not something I SHOULD enjoy".
Hopefully I have answered everyone satisfactorally