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I guess with anime, the difference is you're often paying the price because that is artificially what it's been set as - aided by a) a small market driven by expensive 'deluxe' editions and b) a hardcore fanbase willing to pay those prices.

Compare that to the other kind of rarity - and I use an example back in my music collecting days - where for the most part the original value of stuff was all on the same level, but then items 'became' rare / pricey because they were scarce, and only on sale for a limited time.

While anime has this to a similar degree too (stuff goes out of print) - for the most part it doesn't tend to crop up so much as shows just get license rescued, killing the value of the original.

All those old ADV Eva DVDs are worth a bomb right now because they're the only legal way to own the show on disc - but as soon as someone re-licenses that show, I imagine the discs will almost overnight become worthless and the market will be flooded as people sell them off.
 
Why does anybody own any collectable? There's an appeal in owning something rare, that not many other people own. Something you can show off as a item that not many other people own.

It's kind of a status thing. "I own this expensive item, not many other people can justify owning, so that makes me a better fan than them...*"

*It does not actually make anyone a better fan of something, because they own an AoA set

There's a difference in owning something because you're a fan and to actively rub it in someone's face, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say. Buying something expensive that you actively have no interest in just because you have the money doesn't make people think you're a fan, it makes you look like a lunatic.
 
There's a difference in owning something because you're a fan and to actively rub it in someone's face, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say. Buying something expensive that you actively have no interest in just because you have the money doesn't make people think you're a fan, it makes you look like a lunatic.
What I'm trying to say is that AoA sets are obviously intended for "elite fans of that series with money to spend" (note that the two things are separate, having money doesn't make you an elite fan), but certain people have perhaps 'over-purchasing' them. By which I mean, purchasing series that they have not already seen, for perhaps not the reasons AoA intended to sell their products for and perhaps not even for anime-related reasons, like the showing off reasons discussed previously. That 'over-purchasing' has seemingly led licensors like TBS and PonyCanyon to believe there is a market where their perhaps isn't and that people are willing to spend amounts of money they seemingly aren't. Hence, it's a little weird to see some of these 'over-purchasers' (and I will clearly state it's not everyone in the thread) complaining about something they have helped bring about.

Plus, some of these people were kind of unsupportive and rude to others when they suggested they were being priced out of the market, so it's kind of amusing to see their reactions change now stuff is getting SRPs above what they would be willing to pay.
 
I find this IS2 situation baffling.

We all knew it'd be held back because of TBS, but to think they'd consider it the show to go for a super expensive release is mad. I've bought some AoA shows, and their recent tendency to split things up is somewhat maddening, but I can accept it to a certain degree because I'm only buying a handful of them. The fact AoA have made pretty much every title they release now in this vein is definitely not the way I want to see things go.

Now back to IS2, it's an average show at best, I liked S1 enough to go read the novels and thus even before S2 was released I knew the author had squandered the setup in favour of adding more girls and trying to give all of them time with the MC. S2 was obviously going to be pretty damn average to poor on that basis, so to see them price it up like Fate Stay Night or that Oreimo release is plain silly. Not everyone liked Fate or Oreimo but I think we can all agree they were widely discussed, high profile quality shows.
 
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Sentai Filmworks have acquired two titles over the past few days:

From the upcoming Autumn 2016 season is the fourth season of the popular male idol show Uta no Prince Sama. Utano Princesama Legend Star will be released on home video in the future. Simulcast is expected to be on Crunchyroll.

And we have the recently well-received Girls und Panzer der Film. Sentai have the UK & Ireland rights as well. A home release is planned after their North American theatrical releases.
 
Assuming MVM are sticking to not licencing films, I'm guessing Manga might end up with the licence. I wouldn't mind a theatrical release for this, although I'm not sure if that's too niche.
 
Assuming MVM are sticking to not licencing films, I'm guessing Manga might end up with the licence. I wouldn't mind a theatrical release for this, although I'm not sure if that's too niche.

It can only be MVM or Manga Animatsu, nobody else sub-licences off Sentai... :p

In all seriousness, I think the only film sequels we'll see get major theatrical are for big name series, probably shonen. I would have thought Girls und Panzer was a little too niche and the impression I get is that it's perhaps a little too -- I don't quite know the word I want to use, but I don't think we'll see anything where the primary focus is the women get theatrical. Maybe I'm wrong on that though.
 
It can only be MVM or Manga Animatsu, nobody else sub-licences off Sentai... :p

In all seriousness, I think the only film sequels we'll see get major theatrical are for big name series, probably shonen. I would have thought Girls und Panzer was a little too niche and the impression I get is that it's perhaps a little too -- I don't quite know the word I want to use, but I don't think we'll see anything where the primary focus is the women get theatrical. Maybe I'm wrong on that though.

Objectifying? That's a little strong. GUP doesn't have fan service in it, or at least it's minimal.
 
Objectifying? That's a little strong. GUP doesn't have fan service in it, or at least it's minimal.

I did originally have that, but I removed it, because I thought it was a little too strong.

It's not quite objectifying, but as I said I'm not sure anything where the primary appeal is the women will give off the impression UK distributors want to give off, and to be honest, I don't know how many cinemas would go for that kind of thing either.
 
I did originally have that, but I removed it, because I thought it was a little too strong.

It's not quite objectifying, but as I said I'm not sure anything where the primary appeal is the women will give off the impression UK distributors want to give off.

Again, I don't think that the women are the whole appeal. Like, they're probably part of it, but it's a legit good show, even with that element taken out.
 
The article says...

"We can confirm that a UK distributor has already sub-licensed the title from Sentai Filmworks for its UK release - we aren't currently at liberty to say who by, but if you bought the TV series on home video you can probably guess.."

Surely that suggests it's MVM?
 
Again, I don't think that the women are the whole appeal. Like, they're probably part of it, but it's a legit good show, even with that element taken out.

It's not necessarily what the appeal actually is, I think it's more a case of what it looks like. The distributor would presumably have to pitch the title to National Amusements and then to individual cinema chains. Whether the primary appeal is or isn't the girls, that's the reputation GuP has and that's the thing the key art is clearly trying to sell it on.

Think about KyoAni's Free!. That's not the show it looks like, but based on it's reputation and key art you get a completely different impression. How do you overcome that?
 
It's not necessarily what the appeal actually is, I think it's more a case of what it looks like. The distributor would presumably have to pitch the title to National Amusements and then to individual cinema chains. Whether the primary appeal is or isn't the girls, that's the reputation GuP has and that's the thing the key art is clearly trying to sell it on.

Think about KyoAni's Free!. That's not the show it looks like, but based on it's reputation and key art you get a completely different impression. How do you overcome that?

I'd disagree with you about that being the reputation. I'm pretty sure that's just you.
 
I'd disagree with you about that being the reputation. I'm pretty sure that's just you.
I think I can see where Buzz201 is coming from, It feels like there are more and more comments these days making assumptions about any show with an all female cast and the reasons that people watch those shows. Still, I would say that those kinds of ideas do seem to be primarily limited to those already in the anime watching community. I think any "outsider" who saw art for shows like Girls Und Panzer would probably be more inclined to assume it's just a show about girls having fun together (and possibly aimed at girls). Well, that or they'd be a bit confused about the connection between a bunch of school girls and a tank, but fanservice probably isn't going to be high on their list of guesses for what the show would be about.

Of course, the "outsider" view of the show wouldn't necessarily be much better for getting a wide release for the film. I'd suspect the safer option would be to try to aim for existing fans and that'd probably mostly be served by focussing on fan events.
 
I think I can see where Buzz201 is coming from, It feels like there are more and more comments these days making assumptions about any show with an all female cast and the reasons that people watch those shows. Still, I would say that those kinds of ideas do seem to be primarily limited to those already in the anime watching community. I think any "outsider" who saw art for shows like Girls Und Panzer would probably be more inclined to assume it's just a show about girls having fun together (and possibly aimed at girls). Well, that or they'd be a bit confused about the connection between a bunch of school girls and a tank, but fanservice probably isn't going to be high on their list of guesses for what the show would be about.

Of course, the "outsider" view of the show wouldn't necessarily be much better for getting a wide release for the film. I'd suspect the safer option would be to try to aim for existing fans and that'd probably mostly be served by focussing on fan events.

I'm going to be completely blunt and say that it is always my assumption that people are watching shows "for the girls". But only because I consistently see people talking about watching shows for the girls. Even in seemingly innocent shows like New Game, it's all about how cute they are, or in something sci-fi/fantasy like Re:Zero, it's all pictures of Rem. People don't even seem to realise the Monogatari series is satirising the whole harem thing, and even when this gets pointed out to them, it still seemingly doesn't click that maybe Nisio Isin is mocking them. Obviously it happens with stuff like Mr. Osomatsu and Free! as well, but it always seems to be more overtly treated as shallow and objectifying when that audience does it.

I probably am being unfairly presumptuous about certain fans/shows, but I don't think it's without good reason. Though, I probably do equally questionable behaviour with the shows I watch too. I guess it's hard to see how any fanbase or people grouping comes across if you're part of it.

The other thing an outsider might see, especially with the tanks, is the whole (Moe) Anime Avatar/Alt-Right thing. We probably shouldn't go into this, but it has been mentioned in the media a lot recently (in perhaps both positive and negative contexts), and that's probably not something you want to get linked with.
 
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I think the girls are probably part of the reason, and it can be fun to discuss which one you like the best and all that, but I think to imply there's no other merit behind these shows is pretty insulting to the shows themselves. Girls Und Panzer, for example, has some really excellent tank battles, and they take up the majority of the show's running time, as opposed to regular cute girl shenanigans. I think most people would agree you could totally flip the genders and they'd still enjoy it, the cute girls are kind of just like the cherry on top.
 
I'm going to be completely blunt and say that it is always my assumption that people are watching shows "for the girls". But only because I consistently see people talking about watching shows for the girls. Even in seemingly innocent shows like New Game, it's all about how cute they are, or in something sci-fi/fantasy like Re:Zero, it's all pictures of Rem. People don't even seem to realise the Monogatari series is satirising the whole harem thing, and even when this gets pointed out to them, it still seemingly doesn't click that maybe Nisio Isin is mocking them. Obviously it happens with stuff like Mr. Osomatsu and Free! as well, but it always seems to be more overtly treated as shallow and objectifying when that audience does it.

I probably am being unfairly presumptuous about certain fans/shows, but I don't think it's without good reason. Though, I probably do equally questionable behaviour with the shows I watch too. I guess it's hard to see how any fanbase or people grouping comes across if you're part of it.
I think it's also a case where fans talk about things in a certain way that wouldn't be interpreted the same by those outside of their group (and even within their group, at times). "Cute" can refer to physical attractiveness but it can also refer to different types of behaviour or personality. The appeal can be sexual but that's not an inherent aspect of it. To be fair, I think "cute" might be one of the least precise and most open to interpretation words there is, I tend to use it loosely anyway and maybe that's unhelpful. Along similar lines, the term "moe" has been significantly reinterpreted and can mean very different things to different people. That's a particularly interesting case since people who use the term probably don't mean it to have any sexual connotations while those who wouldn't use the term may be more inclined to assume sexual connotations.

I think cases like the pictures of Rem from Re:Zero are probably related, they're kind of part of a shared culture of the group and they might mean something different to those inside the group than those outside would think (or they might mean exactly what they would think). I guess that sort of thing can also be used as a way of showing belonging to a particular community so that meaning may be more important to some than any more direct interpretation of their activity.

It probably also doesn't help that people can sometimes "play along" with the reputation of a group they're part of in a way that can exaggerate how accurate that reputation might be.

At the end of the day, I think the key is to avoid making assumptions about individuals based on the groups they happen to be part of. Groups may have general tendencies towards particular features and there may be evidence to suggest this (though the evidence may be deceptive) but groups are ultimately made up of individuals and individuals tend to be complex and non-standard. Even when people do meet certain expectations for a member of a particular group, that's still only going to be a part of their personality.

I guess that's all rambling a bit, but to try and turn it around to being more relevant to the topic, I suppose I tend to think that it's the responsibility of people outside of groups to avoid making assumptions and to engage with members of the group if they want to get an accurate information on that group. I'm still not sure that's entirely relevant but it's maybe the best I can do.

Just to add another aside, I checked my comments on New Game! and I notice that I only used the word "cute" twice. That was in the context of "cute girls doing cute things" and only in comments on the first episode. I could easily have used the word "cute" more often but, looking back, I thought it was kind of interesting that I didn't.
 
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