Homophobia: Acceptable or just plain Childish?

Tachi- said:
i was talking about the ones that try to convert straight people to gays,
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Do these people actually exist or are they just a scary urban myth homophobes tell their kids about to get them to go to bed on time and tidy their room? If anyone told me to sleep with a woman I'd take it the same way as them telling me to sleep with a man I didn't like and tell them to mind their own business.

It just wouldn't happen in the circles I move in. I'm glad I only socialise with people with common sense!

R
 
Rui makes a good point. I haven't heard about gay men trying to turn straight men. Unless we're talking TV. Well a clear headed man wouldn't anyway, I can't account for the men with mental problems.
 
I will say that I have this somewhat mental fear, but I wouldn't insult anyone. but I'm trying to overcome it little by little
 
Tachi- said:
In support of Ryo Chan's post :thumb:
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It's really disheartening that so many people agree with his absurdly unfair post. Why is it so difficult to understand that being gay is not a choice? Why is that such a difficult concept?
 
Tachi- said:
i was talking about the ones that try to convert straight people to gays,
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That doesn't happen, ever. Give me one example?

However, the reverse does actually happen. Homophobic, straight parents (usually in the south of the USA)vsometimes send their gay kids to dreadful conversion therapy sessions or camps with the aim of washing their gay away through prayer and doing "manly" things like sports.

It does seem like you really know absolutely nothing about homosexuality, how it works or about the people who are gay, Tachi-.
 
CitizenGeek said:
Tachi- said:
In support of Ryo Chan's post :thumb:
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It's really disheartening that so many people agree with his absurdly unfair post. Why is it so difficult to understand that being gay is not a choice? Why is that such a difficult concept?
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I dunno, I've always sorta thought that it was an urge.

In reply to rui:
That sort of thing does happen, me and a few friends went out on a friday night at the start of the year and a gay tried to seduce my friend.
and before any remarks come in he was asking my friend leo if he ever considered having sex with a man, if he got leo drunk enough would it help matters, and does leo want to go back to his house for the night.
we had to leave the club because leo was really freaked out about it,
 
Tachi- said:
I dunno, I've always sorta thought that it was an urge.
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It is; just like straight people have sexual "urges", so too do gay people.

That sort of thing does happen, me and a few friends went out on a friday night at the start of the year and a gay tried to seduce my friend.
and before any remarks come in he was asking my friend leo if he ever considered having sex with a man, if he got leo drunk enough would it help matters, and does leo want to go back to his house for the night.
we had to leave the club because leo was really freaked out about it,
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That's one anecdote, and you have to understand that it does happen very rarely. Besides, your point should not be that gay men should not behave in that way, but that all men should not behave in that way.
 
CitizenGeek said:
Tachi- said:
I dunno, I've always sorta thought that it was an urge.
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It is; just like straight people have sexual "urges", so too do gay people.

That sort of thing does happen, me and a few friends went out on a friday night at the start of the year and a gay tried to seduce my friend.
and before any remarks come in he was asking my friend leo if he ever considered having sex with a man, if he got leo drunk enough would it help matters, and does leo want to go back to his house for the night.
we had to leave the club because leo was really freaked out about it,
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That's one anecdote, and you have to understand that it does happen very rarely. Besides, your point should not be that gay men should not behave in that way, but that all men should not behave in that way.
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Your right, all men and women alike should act properly. im against men (particularly teenagers though) that go out for the simple mindframe of having sex. the ones that don't care about the girl at all, who pass it off as "yeah it was a one night stand" with a big grin on their faces. its disgusting. and altho im using that sort of mentality as a example of todays lack of respect for others (whether it be same sex or opposite) the point is still the same. that we are humans....the smartest animals on the planet....who can't even show one another respect anymore (if we ever did)

Im very fond of a quote "Life is what you make it" i see it as a reason to live my life according to myself. if some people have the time in their lives to waste ripping on others for (and im sorta stealing Rui's notes from previous threads) for having blonde, brunette, red hair, for being small tall whatever, then its those people who i feel sorry for. wasting their time bitching about other....they don't even know their alive.
 
I've had straight men come up to me and ask if I'd sleep with them and can they buy me a drink - time to fear straight men? Girls would all be terrified to leave their homes if that was so.

That guy was rude (presumptuous at best, or perhaps trying to be funny...or drunk), but it wasn't just because he was gay. If it wasn't your friend it would have been some girl instead. Rude people suck, not gay people.

Also he wasn't trying to turn anyone gay. Gay people can have straight sex without being straight - they often do in the hope their preference is something they can rid themselves of. A straight guy can have anal sex and it doesn't make him gay if he's not attracted to men; heck he can have anal sex with a woman if he wants and that is obviously not gay.

It's not a romantic notion but people can have sex with people they're not usually attracted to if the need arises or the alcohol convinces them it's a good idea.

R
 
Tachi- said:
if some people have the time in their lives to waste ripping on others for (and im sorta stealing Rui's notes from previous threads) for having blonde, brunette, red hair, for being small tall whatever, then its those people who i feel sorry for. wasting their time bitching about other....they don't even know their alive.
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Thief!!

Just kidding ;) and you have a point.

R
 
Rui said:
Tachi- said:
if some people have the time in their lives to waste ripping on others for (and im sorta stealing Rui's notes from previous threads) for having blonde, brunette, red hair, for being small tall whatever, then its those people who i feel sorry for. wasting their time bitching about other....they don't even know their alive.
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Thief!!

Just kidding ;) and you have a point.

R
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All stolen quotes belong to their respected owner :p

and thanks.

i guess im just tired of people always jumping on the bandwagon and heading out for war over something so silly.

i know that alcohol plays a part in these "clever ideas" we all recieve after 8 pints. i guess what startled leo was that he felt shocked that someone would flirt and be that "to the point" about his intentions and be of the same sex.

i know what your saying about straight guys and gays. Im 100% straight (meaning i like women), but there are a few people in the world i've said are actually really good looking (david tennant, the lead singer from you me at six) but that doesn't make me gay, its just an "appreciation of others" aspect on life :)

as for a straight person having anal sex with another man, im not entirely sure it can be as laid back as your trying to make it :/

but nevermind :p
 
Anyway, to answer Chrono's original question:

I think that, generally speaking, homophobia is both childish and acceptable. It shouldn't be acceptable, but as this thread has shown rather nicely, it really is. Could you imagine people saying "we should have the right to dislike black people", as Ryo Chan said of gays, or using crude stereotypes about, say, women as Tachi- did in relation to gays. Nope, it just would not happen. Also, the recent case where a court ruled that the human right to religion trumps the human right to be treated fairly as a gay person (I'm talking about the case involving the Lillian Ladele) shows that homophobia is more or less a-ok, once it's not violent or too unpleasant like that.

It's childish for obvious reasons.
 
Sexual orientation is not a choice at all...you know why? I've found members of the opposite gender attractive and nothing has ever changed that. Ergo, I'm not straight by choice (even though it might make life simpler otherwise but that's a different story!).

Oh yeah, the whole argument about homosexuality being 'abnormal' because it doesn't lead to procreation...the world is overpopulated as it is so couples who don't conceive are probably doing the planet a favour! I'm sure sexual orientation doesn't affect someone's ability to be a good adoptive parent.

All forms of prejudice are unacceptable. There, simple answer.
 
Ryo Chan said:
Equality works both ways
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Just like there will always be racists and sexists...

Just like black people had to go through decades of trying to get rights... just like women had to go through decades to get rights and just like gay people have gone through decades to get rights. Gay rights are just the newest kind of 'movement', and a lot of people still have prejudice against gay people.
 
I'm a bit worried about all the gay topics on this forum these days. Cant you people find more interesting topics to talk about.
 
every1s entitled to their own opinion but it doesn't make it right...

in my opinion the sky is pink... im entitled to think that, i'm still wrong.

in other peoples opinions... bein gay is a choice people make and its disgusting and unnatural. they're still wrong. but again, they're still entitled to think it.

but keep in mind the difference between an opinion and being misinformed and uneducated and unwillingness to understand a situation.

these days tho, i dont really think its much of an issue, people have the freedom to have sex with or even marry whom ever they wish... its more of just growing a thick skin and put up with the occasional stupid comment.

and yeh i agree, i dont think this thread was necessary but like every1 keeps pointing out the right to free speech and all that...
 
skikes said:
every1s entitled to their own opinion but it doesn't make it right...

in my opinion the sky is pink... im entitled to think that, i'm still wrong.

in other peoples opinions... bein gay is a choice people make and its disgusting and unnatural. they're still wrong. but again, they're still entitled to think it.

but keep in mind the difference between an opinion and being misinformed and uneducated and unwillingness to understand a situation.

these days tho, i dont really think its much of an issue, people have the freedom to have sex with or even marry whom ever they wish... its more of just growing a thick skin and put up with the occasional stupid comment.

and yeh i agree, i dont think this thread was necessary but like every1 keeps pointing out the right to free speech and all that...
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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ~Voltaire
 
I have to agree with Citizengeek here, being gay is 100 percent not a choice, I persoanlly know someone who is just coming to terms with the fact that hes gay, after years of struggling relationships, wondering why he wasint as happy as he thought he should be.

And now that hes truly accepted himself, hes much the happier for it, and whats more important than that?
 
+1 Redundant Thread.
Nyu said:
I'm a bit worried about all the gay topics on this forum these days. Cant you people find more interesting topics to talk about.
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Apparently not.

Heck, the shaving thread and biscuit thread are more interesting.
 
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