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Heat Guy J looks very good, with a whole heap of extras that Manga never bothered with here. Including a whole extra bonus disc.
Good buy?
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Neferpitou
Stand User
If I didn't want to support the industry I would either watch fansubs or buy completely second hand.
But I because I want my industry to survive especially with the trouble going on with industry recently, I only buy brand new dvds so then at least some money is going directly to distributers which in turn keeping them afloat and making them able to get new licenses.
That 80 pound could have brought 4 full 26 episode Bandai legend boxsets which are good value and supported the industry, instead aion has been selfish only thinking about the money he could save and not caring about the industry.
About these titles been unavailable only 2 of 8 are hard to get brand new,
6 of the 8 series are fully available to buy in the uk or on dvdpacific.
HEAT GUY J out on region 2
CHOBITS out on region 2
PEACEMAKER out on region 2
SAIYUKI out on region 1
BLUE SUBRAMINE 6 out on region 1
GENSHIKEN out on region 1
I have not checked if they still out on region 4 either.
Only two of the eight are not fully available AI YORI AOSHI & SOMEDAYS DREAMERS (2&3 in stock on dvdpacific). Just download them and the money you would spent on them would be spent on buying new anime dvds. There always a chance titles like those could be relicensed in the usa, uk or by madman in the future aswell.
There are not that many people who would buy dvds, watch them once, sell them at massive losses and continue to collect anime. When cheap boxsets are eventually going to come out and free fansubs and dvd rips are out.
People buy anime on whole to collect it. Also how do you know they have not just brought the disc, copied it before selling.
If you buy used anime anywhere it unlikely or at least you would have no idea that any money would go back to the industry. Just buy brand new and support the industry, if the item is unlicensed or deleted download it and spend you would have on new releases.
But I because I want my industry to survive especially with the trouble going on with industry recently, I only buy brand new dvds so then at least some money is going directly to distributers which in turn keeping them afloat and making them able to get new licenses.
That 80 pound could have brought 4 full 26 episode Bandai legend boxsets which are good value and supported the industry, instead aion has been selfish only thinking about the money he could save and not caring about the industry.
About these titles been unavailable only 2 of 8 are hard to get brand new,
6 of the 8 series are fully available to buy in the uk or on dvdpacific.
HEAT GUY J out on region 2
CHOBITS out on region 2
PEACEMAKER out on region 2
SAIYUKI out on region 1
BLUE SUBRAMINE 6 out on region 1
GENSHIKEN out on region 1
I have not checked if they still out on region 4 either.
Only two of the eight are not fully available AI YORI AOSHI & SOMEDAYS DREAMERS (2&3 in stock on dvdpacific). Just download them and the money you would spent on them would be spent on buying new anime dvds. There always a chance titles like those could be relicensed in the usa, uk or by madman in the future aswell.
There are not that many people who would buy dvds, watch them once, sell them at massive losses and continue to collect anime. When cheap boxsets are eventually going to come out and free fansubs and dvd rips are out.
People buy anime on whole to collect it. Also how do you know they have not just brought the disc, copied it before selling.
If you buy used anime anywhere it unlikely or at least you would have no idea that any money would go back to the industry. Just buy brand new and support the industry, if the item is unlicensed or deleted download it and spend you would have on new releases.
What if downloading a DVD rip (I hate the whole idea of them, getting the same quality as buyers but free) of something and watching it hunched over our PCs or piped to our TV via lots of fiddling isn't enjoyable? What if there's nothing new coming out we want one month (it happens)?
I think your intentions are good but if a person wasn't going to buy Super Moe Magical Fairy Moe-chan that week new anyway, them spending the same amount on a secondhand copy of Saiyuuki isn't going to destroy the industry. Especially as it may end up with them getting into Saiyuuki enough to buy the new volumes coming out locally.
Personally if I see something amazing and out of print on ebay, I'm going to buy it. Out of print is, for collectors, a holy grail sometimes, and for collectors rather than just archivers, illegal DVD rips don't cut it. I budget well enough that it needn't get in the way of me buying new releases at all, for worthwhile series.
Furthermore buying up the used copies - which *will* be for sale regardless and have been since the dawn of physical media - means one less copy is available to collectors, pushing others into buying new or stimulating licence rescues on hot properties. Fansubs or DVD rips create no such gap and drives no demand whatsoever.
Not in this case, but there are also plenty of dealers on ebay etc who deal in new or surplus items, they just sell through the marketplace to avoid setup costs.
I never sell my discs, but if reselling had no value at all in your ideal world I'd buy a lot fewer "risky" series new, as knowing that my collection has value helps me part with money more easily, believing I can reclaim some if I make some kind of terrible mistake or end up in less favourable circumstances. As it is, I'm relaxed about blowing £35 on blind buys of Hajime No Ippo sets new, because I know if I hate it I can recoup some of that on the used market. As I wouldn't keep the discs, if I want to watch it again in future because I just got into boxing and want to give it another try, I then have to buy it again. Taking downloading out of the picture shows how it can all fit together.
To assume everyone has already had knowledge of the shows they buy prior to purchase due to illegal digital sharing is a big mistake.
R
I think your intentions are good but if a person wasn't going to buy Super Moe Magical Fairy Moe-chan that week new anyway, them spending the same amount on a secondhand copy of Saiyuuki isn't going to destroy the industry. Especially as it may end up with them getting into Saiyuuki enough to buy the new volumes coming out locally.
Personally if I see something amazing and out of print on ebay, I'm going to buy it. Out of print is, for collectors, a holy grail sometimes, and for collectors rather than just archivers, illegal DVD rips don't cut it. I budget well enough that it needn't get in the way of me buying new releases at all, for worthwhile series.
Furthermore buying up the used copies - which *will* be for sale regardless and have been since the dawn of physical media - means one less copy is available to collectors, pushing others into buying new or stimulating licence rescues on hot properties. Fansubs or DVD rips create no such gap and drives no demand whatsoever.
Not in this case, but there are also plenty of dealers on ebay etc who deal in new or surplus items, they just sell through the marketplace to avoid setup costs.
I never sell my discs, but if reselling had no value at all in your ideal world I'd buy a lot fewer "risky" series new, as knowing that my collection has value helps me part with money more easily, believing I can reclaim some if I make some kind of terrible mistake or end up in less favourable circumstances. As it is, I'm relaxed about blowing £35 on blind buys of Hajime No Ippo sets new, because I know if I hate it I can recoup some of that on the used market. As I wouldn't keep the discs, if I want to watch it again in future because I just got into boxing and want to give it another try, I then have to buy it again. Taking downloading out of the picture shows how it can all fit together.
To assume everyone has already had knowledge of the shows they buy prior to purchase due to illegal digital sharing is a big mistake.
R
Aion
Time-Traveller
Rui, thanks for saving me the headache of getting into an argument with good ol' Davo. I'm happy to let you defend my honour in all my future eBay threads. 
Nearly all my recent eBay anime purchases have been Geneon series: Koi Kaze, Trigun (Collector's Edition II), Gankutsuou, SoulTaker, When They Cry, Vandread, El Hazard and now the Geneon series included here. 99% of the others have been R1.
There's a good reason for this: I'm a collector. I want out of print anime, I want anime not out over here.
Posting an unfinished eBay auction on here and asking if it looked like a bargain or not would be equivalent to waving meat in front of a lion and asking if it looks tasty.
Ever since I was young I've been daft when it comes to buying stuff like this. From the times when I stood in a game shop for 30 minutes trying t decide if the game was worth spending my pocket money on, I haven't changed much.
Nearly all my recent eBay anime purchases have been Geneon series: Koi Kaze, Trigun (Collector's Edition II), Gankutsuou, SoulTaker, When They Cry, Vandread, El Hazard and now the Geneon series included here. 99% of the others have been R1.
There's a good reason for this: I'm a collector. I want out of print anime, I want anime not out over here.
harkins said:
Posting an unfinished eBay auction on here and asking if it looked like a bargain or not would be equivalent to waving meat in front of a lion and asking if it looks tasty.
Ever since I was young I've been daft when it comes to buying stuff like this. From the times when I stood in a game shop for 30 minutes trying t decide if the game was worth spending my pocket money on, I haven't changed much.
Neferpitou
Stand User
In this case all the dvds were second hand and 6 out of 8 were still fully out to buy brand new on dvd.
I don't mind people spend money on series which is out of print but it would more helpful to buy another series brand new series on dvd. The industry is in crises with such high cost and limited sales the anime industry needs every sale they can. Used sales do not take not a lot but even there a 10-100 used dvds sales day still effect the sale of industry.
Heat guy J is good release from manga and at very good price, Chobits can be brought from mvm, a massive value boxset of SAIYUKI & blue submarine can be still brought brand new region 1 and Peacemaker can be brought from adv uk.
The only one of 6 still available exclusive done by Geneon: Genshiken.
There are 3200 anime titles on dvdpacific alone to buy. That is a lot of titles which need support with such small fanbase to buy them.
Buying used anime does little to nothing to support the industry and would simply be better to download deleted shows and buy brand new shows in there place as there are plenty of great shows to get out there and despratly need the support.
I don't mind people spend money on series which is out of print but it would more helpful to buy another series brand new series on dvd. The industry is in crises with such high cost and limited sales the anime industry needs every sale they can. Used sales do not take not a lot but even there a 10-100 used dvds sales day still effect the sale of industry.
Heat guy J is good release from manga and at very good price, Chobits can be brought from mvm, a massive value boxset of SAIYUKI & blue submarine can be still brought brand new region 1 and Peacemaker can be brought from adv uk.
The only one of 6 still available exclusive done by Geneon: Genshiken.
There are 3200 anime titles on dvdpacific alone to buy. That is a lot of titles which need support with such small fanbase to buy them.
Buying used anime does little to nothing to support the industry and would simply be better to download deleted shows and buy brand new shows in there place as there are plenty of great shows to get out there and despratly need the support.
Hmph, I've had debates with Aion before about downloading anime for free but to be honest I don't see anything wrong with him purchasing second hand DVDs.
I don't purchase from eBay myself because you aren't gareenteed you'll get what you ask for, but complaining to someone because they buy second hand DVDs rather than buying brand new DVDs to support the industry is really pushing it. He's not doing anything wrong but yet you want him to purchase new DVDs which not everyone can afford to.
I suppose if the car industry was in trouble you'd buy a brand new car rather than saving €5000+ on a second hand purchase?
I don't purchase from eBay myself because you aren't gareenteed you'll get what you ask for, but complaining to someone because they buy second hand DVDs rather than buying brand new DVDs to support the industry is really pushing it. He's not doing anything wrong but yet you want him to purchase new DVDs which not everyone can afford to.
I suppose if the car industry was in trouble you'd buy a brand new car rather than saving €5000+ on a second hand purchase?
Anyone else want to see dave and tachi in a thread all to themselves to fight it out?
Good Purchase Aion. You saved a bucket of cash, this brings a fuzzy glow to my cold capitalist heart. I hope you enjoy your box sets and dont worry about what we think after the fact. You can always stick them back up on ebay if you hate them.
Hell im thinking of sticking some on ebay just to make a thread and rub it into dave's face.
Also Paul, dont be afraid of cracking that whip. You gotta keep rude ignorant people like me in line.
Good Purchase Aion. You saved a bucket of cash, this brings a fuzzy glow to my cold capitalist heart. I hope you enjoy your box sets and dont worry about what we think after the fact. You can always stick them back up on ebay if you hate them.
Hell im thinking of sticking some on ebay just to make a thread and rub it into dave's face.
Also Paul, dont be afraid of cracking that whip. You gotta keep rude ignorant people like me in line.
Aion
Time-Traveller
Tin Man said:
That would certainly make for an entertaining argument.
I know Peacemaker isn't very good; I have the first volume and watched half the series via fansubs. I also know Heat Guy J isn't great since I've watched half of my R2 box set. I don't mind too much about them not being brilliant: I LOVE slimpack sets and the R1 release of Heat Guy J is a Geneon release... Still, I'm hoping the other series are better!
I've spent too much on eBay over these past couple of months. It's as if all the UK rare anime collectors are selling all at once...actually, that's probably what is happening; the sellers are most likely trying to sell while DVD's are still valued. Whatever the reason for the huge amount of rare anime, I hope it stops before I end up getting into CC debt. :/
I'm beginning to build one hell of a collection. Before the ADV clearance sales started (the original Madlax one), I had only a few box sets I'd picked up over the years. Now, not only do I have those box sets plus a lot of others, I have a shitload of individual volumes. I'll most likely never watch a good chunk of it...
Tachi
Mushi-shi
Ryo Chan said:
I'm just going to assume your a young person who doesn't understand the internet, internet sites get pennies for every person that visits their site. so technically you do pay for anything you download from the internet.
(I find it funny that you try comment on me using btw and dp when your spelling isnt the best lol)
Neferpitou
Stand User
Zen 2nd said:
The car industry in UK was in trouble and now completely near gone because of it , the only a few are still British owned, the biggest left I can think would be morgan. There demise to be fair was caused management and union, but with more support we may still have booming car industry now.
With recent companies like Central Park Media & Geneon dieing , Adv have had to have massive restructure to survive. The question is when the next company going to fall not if.
To show what I meaning by buying brand new dvds can help the industry so much more than used dvds of ebay.
Taking the final total of aion ebay auction £87 pound as example:
£15 pound is going straight on postage.
£72 pound left then you take away auctioning costs of around £4.25 leaving a grand total of £67.75
With that many dvds sold they are most likely a fan leaving anime for good, there a chance it maybe a fan clearing out left over stuff but 8 titles seems a lot and also a lot of title in question are very good like chobits, AI YORI AOSHI , etc. So taking that into account I say it would 20% (could be a lot lower) chance that this money is going back into the anime industry. So with 5 similar costing auctions 1 in 5 will be spend the money on new anime dvds.
So you end up with £13.55 going back to buy new anime dvds, with 3x£4.99 dvds brought with that money (£1.42 extra aswell added) with each dvd making 1 pound profit, you end up with £3 pound going back to the companies making the dvd.
But If you brought just 17x£4.99 new dvd from a retailer to the similar auction value of 85 pound for example. With them making a minimum 1 pound on each dvd. That would be at least £17+ pound going towards the people making the dvds.
If you brought off anime-online mvm own store where the dvd maker mvm is making the profit, they would make at least 3 pound per dvd as they would only have to pay the cost produce each dvd which arent that expensive, vat and postage.
So spending £85 on just £4.99 dvds would mean £51 pound going back to the industry.
Also if they more expensive dvds or series box sets (As making the dvds themselves is quite cheap) the profit margins would be even bigger.
That is why I don't think buying used dvd is that useful to the industry, Downloading series which is unlicensed or no longer available won't in general harm the industry as there no money to be made of show with no new dvd to buy.
Of course you could argue the are buyers that are only interested in deleted show and they wouldn't spend the money saved on downloading the show instead of buying used on another new dvds.
But the shows that tend to be more niche shows than popular shows become unavailable. Being such niche shows they more likely attract the more hardcore audience that can buy them and would still spend money on other new anime.
Buying used Anime does nowhere near help the industry as much buying new dvd. You would be helping the industry more downloading the deleted shows and spending the money on new dvds. There always chance in future they would be relicensed in future and you be able to buy them new instead of used like for example slayers was done by cpm but now has been done recently by funimation.
fabio de lunatico
Claymore
Oh man. That has got to be a wind-up.Tachi- said:
Maltos
Stand User
Dave, you act like it's our duty to protect the anime market in Britain. Of course as we all [should] know, downloading anime harms the industry so there is the need to buy DVDs, but with my limited knowledge of economics, etc; if a company can't survive by serving the consumers, surely it shouldn't be our duty to keep it alive. You can't expect people to pay for a more expensive version of same product; that's just ridiculus.
Tachi- said:
I'm just going to assume your an even younger person who seems to be getting depressing that someone who actually struggles with the English language like myself is still doing a better job than you then if, you want to play it that way.
And 2nd off more to the point, a simple economic lesson for you, websites that make money off other peoples work without giving anything back to the original company.......
Yeah they're called theives too. That logic of yours is no different than buying a bootleg video off the market and saying "I've helped the anime community by giving someone random geezer money to buy drugs."
It would be so immense to have a company like Madman dominate the UK market. Since they are so big, anime would become cheaper and we'll get their spectacular releases that stick very close to the original R1 release, or, in fact, sometimes enhancing them.Zen 2nd said:
Aww.. I want that. <3