General Politics Thread

ayase

State Alchemist
So far at the conclusion of super tuesday Biden has inched ahead of Sanders. I'd be fine with either one as long as trump gets his fat ass booted out of the White House's front door.
I’m surprised how well Biden has done, I guess it’s another reason to completely disregard opinion polls. Of course I’d rather Bernie won because I think he actually has some convictions, I’m not sure a Biden presidency would deviate much from the status quo - He’s a fairly likeable, reasonable sounding person, but is he going to actually do anything that will make much of a difference to anybody’s lives?

Speaking of, do you think Trump really rocked the boat all that much? He says some horrible things and is not someone I’d ever want to associate with in a personal capacity, but it doesn’t seem to me like his administration has been as radical as his supporters hoped or his opponents feared. He’s very good at manipulating people with what he says into thinking he’s doing things he actually isn’t, which I don’t think makes him much different from most other politicians. I mean he hasn’t even kept his one major pledge of building a wall and Instead of draining the swamp he just displaced some of it by diving into it along with his family (which really, anyone who knew anything about him should have seen coming) but this doesn’t seem to have affected his supporters’ opinion of him. But again, breaking his pledges and engaging in corruption isn’t really out of the ordinary for politicians. The only real difference between Trump and say, George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan seems to me to be his personality.
 
Speaking of, do you think Trump really rocked the boat all that much?
Children die in cages under his watch. He bends over and takes it from vile dictators, the worst scum of humanity, and he bullies everyone else. He sees moral equivalence between fascists and anti-fascists. He calls Coronavirus a Democrat hoax. I could go on...

Nuke him from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 

Invisible Crane

Great Teacher
Children die in cages under his watch. He bends over and takes it from vile dictators, the worst scum of humanity, and he bullies everyone else. He sees moral equivalence between fascists and anti-fascists. He calls Coronavirus a Democrat hoax. I could go on...

Nuke him from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Okay, hot take here. As much as people dislike Trump and I do understand why (even I'm not big on him), is calling him say the next Hitler/Nazi getting tiresome by now?. I think after nearly 4 years of hearing about how hes the most evil man alive right now I've just become desensitized and exhausted from hearing about that nearly everyday
 
Okay, hot take here. As much as people dislike Trump and I do understand why (even I'm not big on him), is calling him say the next Hitler/Nazi getting tiresome by now?. I think after nearly 4 years of hearing about how hes the most evil man alive right now I've just become desensitized and exhausted from hearing about that nearly everyday
Ask a journalist...

 

ayase

State Alchemist
Children die in cages under his watch.
As many as died in the wars Bush and Blair started? How many people got tortured in cages under their anti-terror laws? Obviously it’s horrible either way but I feel there’s a certain hypocrisy when it comes to Trump, because he outwardly appears to be an unreasonable person (which I totally acknowledge he is) rather than pretending to be a reasonable one.
He bends over and takes it from vile dictators, the worst scum of humanity, and he bullies everyone else.
Well yeah, he’s the President of the United States. How many murderous dictators have US Presidents been instrumental in installing in power and supporting over the years in the name of their own national security? Quite a few. I don’t really see much of a difference between locking up and killing people in the US and supporting foreign regimes that do the same. Trump is an awful person, but I wouldn’t say he’s really an outlier in that respect.
 
The difference is that even the worst US presidents other than Trump at least pretended to be moral exemplars. They had the people believing that they were morally righteous, and aspiring to be better. Trump wallows in the dirt, and he bring his support down there with him. He's brought out the worst in people, even his opponents.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
The difference is that even the worst US presidents other than Trump at least pretended to be moral exemplars. They had the people believing that they were morally righteous, and aspiring to be better.
I can see the argument, but I fundamentally disagree that this is a good thing. What’s the good of that if it’s all a lie? What’s the positive side of people believing their leaders are good people and supporting them if they aren’t? Yeah, perhaps the people's belief in their leaders and institutions keeps society civil, but it doesn't stop the suffering of the people those leaders and their laws and policies persecute, whether that's their own citizens, immigrants or people half a world away they bomb into oblivion, or help other governments to kill because it's good business. If people believe in their leaders while those leaders do these things, it does nothing to stop them. At least when you can see them for what they are you can oppose them. If the price of the people knowing the truth is civil unrest, that's probably what should be happening as far as I'm concerned.

Edit: I mean you could make the same argument about those dictators you mentioned earlier - Is it better if people in Russia believe that Putin is a morally upstanding good guy? Or if the people of North Korea believe that about Kim Jong Un? Or is it better if they can see them for what they are and react to that?
 
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thedoctor2016

Symphogear
I don’t think Trump was as bad as Regan or maybe that’s because it was the combo of Reagan and Thatcher who literally changed the economy to suit themselves and allies. Trump has just followed Reagan economics and haven’t been able to do his policies such as build the wall because it www stupid.
I do think we have it worse because of the 80 majority now like why should I care he’s having a kid he isn’t special.... but I am hopeful for the future weirdly. I do think Biden in America will just lead to Trump again due to both bad choices and I think both the left here needs younger people I wouldn’t vote for sanders at this point due to his age how can you be helpful to the younger class when you are the age of people who are right wing. I do think the left will come back in 15 years with a new generation like AOC In America and here nobody...
RLB isn’t exciting for new she is literally a new face for the old left we need someone who inspires the new left, of internationalism and green policies and local devolution.
 

zrdb

Kiznaiver
When it come to US politics it's really stupid to say democrats are better or worse than republicans. There have been just as many democrats indited for corruption, graft, bribery etc. as republicans-but having said that none have been as openly brazen about it as trump.
 

thedoctor2016

Symphogear
The democrats are Basically like Tories, David Cameron and Obama basically shared the same policy platform but they are the lesser of the two evils sadly.
 
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