Defective or Disappointing UK Anime Discs
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Ath
Pokémon Master
The DVD has extra trailers and promo videos and that's it I think. The Blu-ray is double play anyway, so that mitigates things a bit. IIRC Akira had something similar, where the BD was barebones but the DVD kept the production report. The steelbook was double play once again so that helped there.
I apologise if I caused a slight argument about what's a defective and what's not, but adding disappointing does make sense when it comes to Kaze titles.
robot monkey
Hunter
NormanicGrav said:
But being as disappointing is such a subjective thing then I suspect this will just cause this thread to bloat with endless debates on the matter.
I'm only putting things in the main list if I consider the complaints reasonable in some way. Obviously complaining about a series for not having a good ending or having a blue combo pack banner on the sleeve will be ignored.
On the US/UK thing though, I think even if (hypothetical example) the US version had an unusually appalling video encode, it would be ok to list a UK version which copied that bad encode. Since a buyer may have watched the show streaming and to them, a grotty local release would be a major step down. The UK companies should take responsibility for that kind of thing too instead of blaming other people.
I'll omit standard PAL transfers and DVD versions of HD content since both are standard operating procedure over here; people should realise watching something in 1080P online then buying a DVD version will lead to a step down in quality without it needing a list.
Where the show's available in a combo pack only and the extras are only on one format, it's annoying but not really a glitch. It's likely to be a licensing requirement to make it less desirable in some cases...:/ so I'll tweak the T&B comments in the main list accordingly to make it seem less severe. Where I have a foreign release I don't always pay attention to the combo/non-combo status of UK sets ^^;
R
On the US/UK thing though, I think even if (hypothetical example) the US version had an unusually appalling video encode, it would be ok to list a UK version which copied that bad encode. Since a buyer may have watched the show streaming and to them, a grotty local release would be a major step down. The UK companies should take responsibility for that kind of thing too instead of blaming other people.
I'll omit standard PAL transfers and DVD versions of HD content since both are standard operating procedure over here; people should realise watching something in 1080P online then buying a DVD version will lead to a step down in quality without it needing a list.
Where the show's available in a combo pack only and the extras are only on one format, it's annoying but not really a glitch. It's likely to be a licensing requirement to make it less desirable in some cases...:/ so I'll tweak the T&B comments in the main list accordingly to make it seem less severe. Where I have a foreign release I don't always pay attention to the combo/non-combo status of UK sets ^^;
R
Just Passing Through
The Wildcard
A proper defect for you...
Orguss 02 from Manga Entertainment has 4 audio dropouts in the Japanese track (when it happens it happens in the non-dialogue bits, which is a bit of luck, but a sudden burst of silence during an action scene can be disconcerting)
Orguss 02 from Manga Entertainment has 4 audio dropouts in the Japanese track (when it happens it happens in the non-dialogue bits, which is a bit of luck, but a sudden burst of silence during an action scene can be disconcerting)
Emulsion
Death Scythe
@Rui
Great work keeping the main list up to date.
I know this is a UK list but just an idea if possible. When there is a known release like the Blu-ray of Horizon, where the UK version has the same error as the US release, is there any chance of maybe marking the release. Maybe a red * next to it, and then a note at the bottom to state the * means the US and/or AUS has the same problem.
This way someone who has looked here, seen the glitch listed would also know the US release is the same. Would save them from importing the US release in the hope the error isn't there.
Great work keeping the main list up to date.
I know this is a UK list but just an idea if possible. When there is a known release like the Blu-ray of Horizon, where the UK version has the same error as the US release, is there any chance of maybe marking the release. Maybe a red * next to it, and then a note at the bottom to state the * means the US and/or AUS has the same problem.
This way someone who has looked here, seen the glitch listed would also know the US release is the same. Would save them from importing the US release in the hope the error isn't there.
robot monkey
Hunter
Rui said:
Thanks for that clarification on the matter.
Just read the OP on this thread & makes you wonder if there is any kind of quality control what so ever judging by that litany of faults.
It looks like there are some minor problems with the Box 2 of Cowboy Bebop.
- Locked Subtitles (when Box 1 wasn't)
- Glitched frames ~ One frame '10:45' and two frames '14:13' at Episode 19
- Same disc labelling number problem as Box 1 (14-19 & 20-26 should be 14-20 & 21-26)
On the other hand, they have fixed a few things; chaptering is now available and the box cover shows 1080i and Region B instead of 1080p and Region 2.
- Locked Subtitles (when Box 1 wasn't)
- Glitched frames ~ One frame '10:45' and two frames '14:13' at Episode 19
- Same disc labelling number problem as Box 1 (14-19 & 20-26 should be 14-20 & 21-26)
On the other hand, they have fixed a few things; chaptering is now available and the box cover shows 1080i and Region B instead of 1080p and Region 2.
Rosencrantz
Dragon Knight
NormanicGrav said:
Maybe, just maybe they missed the glithces but the same error with disc labelling?? Surely they gave the disc designs a double triple check to avoid being embarrassed in that area again?
Rosencrantz said:
Probably yes, one small point though is Locked Subtitles should not be a problem. On the English dub they are selectable and only on the Japanese track they are locked at the request of the licensor for all future projects including this part for Bebop obviously. It's out of our hands on that one, we've just got to go with it. If you can explain clearly and concisely why this is a problem then I'll try to negotiate with licensors in future though
.Video glitches will be fixed on the DVD release too and in the short term if anyone feels put out until re-prints are done (shouldn't be long, costing up disc-only print costs now) then I can ship a copy of the Bebop DVD for Ep 2 and Ep 19 out to anyone feeling immediately aggrieved.
Labelling wise - yes, treble checks shall be hammered in. Again my fault there as I should have left the checking to someone whose mind wasn't mired with other issues - but I'll make sure it's etched onto our Production Manager's head (they start next week so that should be a nice welcome gift).
Very best,
Andrew
Just Passing Through
The Wildcard
anime_andrew said:Probably yes, one small point though is Locked Subtitles should not be a problem. On the English dub they are selectable and only on the Japanese track they are locked at the request of the licensor for all future projects including this part for Bebop obviously. It's out of our hands on that one, we've just got to go with it. If you can explain clearly and concisely why this is a problem then I'll try to negotiate with licensors in future though
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Very best,
Andrew
It's all about the consumer's desire to be in complete control of the purchase, versus the licensors paranoia (justified or otherwise) about piracy and reverse importation. I want to be able to turn the subtitles on and off at will, regardless if I ever will, I'd like to change audio with my remote instead of going to the menu, it's just anal retentiveness on my part. True, not everyone will feel the same, or even realise it's an issue for some, but it comes down to the impression that if I spend money and buy something on a disc, I then own the disc and what is on it as well. The truth may be that the intellectual property belongs to the copyright holder, but I do not want to be reminded of that. Just the same way that I do not want unskippable anti-piracy warnings, trailers, and adverts for chocolates getting between and my viewing.
With Cowboy Bebop Part 2, it really is a petty whinge as you have the best compromise I have seen, full control over English audio and subtitle options versus locked subs on Japanese audio. But when it comes to Kaze titles like Penguindrum and Princess Jellyfish, which screwed up the subtitles so badly that screen text was only translated for the English dub, and the translated subtitles were incomplete for the Japanese, and it's all locked away so you can't even see what you're missing, then wanting control over your purchase is justifiable.
Perhaps reminding the licensor that the UK is Region B and that the discs aren't playable in Region A Japan would strengthen your position when it comes to getting a better deal for the UK consumer.
Do you mean Blu-ray?
Just Passing Through
The Wildcard
Rosencrantz
Dragon Knight
Emulsion said:
I'm starting to get the impression that Japanese viewers unfortunately are just as smart as us and have access to multi region Blu-ray players aswell. I know I saw some links a while back where people were pointing out they already had UK BD releases listed up on Amazon.jp
Thread has gone quiet so I'll just summarises the latest titles:
- All Black Lagoon titles have no extras (DVD and Blu-ray), which may disappoint some [in fairness, Kaze's release was before Funimation's Classic Line release]. Although RBT's OVA release pretty much has barely anything included from Funi's release, not even the Textless OP/EDs were included for Kaze's version.
- Shangri-La Pt. 1 (DVD) is Non-Defective, NTSC format [it was Region 1 & 4 for US release]
- Bleach S12 Pt. 1 (DVD) has the same issues as previous releases pretty much.
- Dragon Ball Z Season 9 (DVD) has some minor issues ("a subtitle in episode 274 and a brief sound drop at 1:43:41 in to Disc 4 in the Japanese audio alone")
- Arakawa Season 1 (DVD) is Non-Defective, Native PAL.
- Sengoku Basara Movie (DVD) is Non-Defective, Native PAL.
- K-On! The Movie (Blu-ray) is Non-Defective though there are subtitle differences regarding the instruments apparently.
- Heaven's Memo Pad (DVD) is in NTSC format [Siren Visual kept it the same] but has some minor cases due to the amount of on-screen translations ("This also shows up in the translated subtitles, which definitely needed proof-reading before being committed to disc. There’s nothing that actually damages the experience, but silly typos keep creeping in.")
- Linebarrels of Iron (DVD) is Non-Defective, NTSC to PAL conversion.
- All Black Lagoon titles have no extras (DVD and Blu-ray), which may disappoint some [in fairness, Kaze's release was before Funimation's Classic Line release]. Although RBT's OVA release pretty much has barely anything included from Funi's release, not even the Textless OP/EDs were included for Kaze's version.
- Shangri-La Pt. 1 (DVD) is Non-Defective, NTSC format [it was Region 1 & 4 for US release]
- Bleach S12 Pt. 1 (DVD) has the same issues as previous releases pretty much.
- Dragon Ball Z Season 9 (DVD) has some minor issues ("a subtitle in episode 274 and a brief sound drop at 1:43:41 in to Disc 4 in the Japanese audio alone")
- Arakawa Season 1 (DVD) is Non-Defective, Native PAL.
- Sengoku Basara Movie (DVD) is Non-Defective, Native PAL.
- K-On! The Movie (Blu-ray) is Non-Defective though there are subtitle differences regarding the instruments apparently.
- Heaven's Memo Pad (DVD) is in NTSC format [Siren Visual kept it the same] but has some minor cases due to the amount of on-screen translations ("This also shows up in the translated subtitles, which definitely needed proof-reading before being committed to disc. There’s nothing that actually damages the experience, but silly typos keep creeping in.")
- Linebarrels of Iron (DVD) is Non-Defective, NTSC to PAL conversion.
Thanks I've added the DBZ one and since Black Lagoon's BD was on the list for a defect I've added another note for that too. I'll let the typos slide purely because they're so outrageously common in anime subs, but it's still good to have a record from your summary!
Mildly curious about whether the incorrect subtitle in Sengoku Basara The Last Party was retained from the US release (Hideaki was called Hideo, bizarrely), but not curious enough to buy a copy myself. I doubt many people have been affected by reading the wrong name.
R
I've added the DBZ one and since Black Lagoon's BD was on the list for a defect I've added another note for that too. I'll let the typos slide purely because they're so outrageously common in anime subs, but it's still good to have a record from your summary!Mildly curious about whether the incorrect subtitle in Sengoku Basara The Last Party was retained from the US release (Hideaki was called Hideo, bizarrely), but not curious enough to buy a copy myself. I doubt many people have been affected by reading the wrong name.
R
Just a heads up. It looks like Another's error from the Blu-ray version of Sentai's release has passed on to the DVD versions for both MVM and Hanabee's.
The Region 1 DVD version is the only version that doesn't have this in English territories.Canth said:
Figure I shall beat people to the punch here and walk of shame it!
For the Perfect Blue BD everything is there, but frustratingly the Japanese audio options are mis-labeled. The 2.0 track is actually the 5.1 and the 5.1 is the 2.0.
If you have a Stereo sound system at home (like I do) it won't have an impact, but if you have a 5.1 system you'll want to note that! English dub remains at 5.1 only so no issues there.
Very sorry on this one and as we'll be re-printing very soon as it's basically almost out of stock already in an Amaray version.
It shouldn't take away from your enjoyment of the film but my face is pretty red out of embarrassment right now. It's due to our 5.1 system being broken and QC being done while I was away so it was tested on a 2.0 system out of our usual environment.
AP
For the Perfect Blue BD everything is there, but frustratingly the Japanese audio options are mis-labeled. The 2.0 track is actually the 5.1 and the 5.1 is the 2.0.
If you have a Stereo sound system at home (like I do) it won't have an impact, but if you have a 5.1 system you'll want to note that! English dub remains at 5.1 only so no issues there.
Very sorry on this one and as we'll be re-printing very soon as it's basically almost out of stock already in an Amaray version.
It shouldn't take away from your enjoyment of the film but my face is pretty red out of embarrassment right now. It's due to our 5.1 system being broken and QC being done while I was away so it was tested on a 2.0 system out of our usual environment.
AP