David Cameron: a Prime Minister you can be proud of?
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VivisQueen
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I'm with Mutsumi on Brown. I never disliked the guy nor blamed him for the recession. That was a global problem. His mistake (as if no politician in the world makes one) was to not prepare us properly for such an event. He thought he had a system in place where there would be 'no more boom and bust' but that was well-intentioned fantasy.
But Brown was a serious politician, passionate about his country, and he had clout on the international stage. In my view, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and made the wrong kinds of mistakes (he should have shagged a sixteen-year old escort or embezzled money from Chinese child labour, he would have got away with that, but give the country ten years of unprecedented growth followed by lack of preparedness for a recession that doesn't even hit Britain the hardest in the world, and BAM you're outta there!).
Another thing that pissed me off about Cameron was his attempt (did it succeed by the way?) to ruin Brown's chances at the job for IMF leader. Petty and puerile act to punish someone who has retired from formal politics and trying to move on. I hope Cameron likewise gets haunted in the future. Anyway, Brown probably needs to lay low for a while and tell the English to **** off while he plays golf or whatever (not sure how the Scottish feel about him). I have a feeling history will treat him kinder than current opinion.
Oh, and I agree on the Thatcher comment. Damn, Thatcher was HARD, but she retrospectively was the perfect PM for the right times. Cameron is... meh.
But Brown was a serious politician, passionate about his country, and he had clout on the international stage. In my view, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and made the wrong kinds of mistakes (he should have shagged a sixteen-year old escort or embezzled money from Chinese child labour, he would have got away with that, but give the country ten years of unprecedented growth followed by lack of preparedness for a recession that doesn't even hit Britain the hardest in the world, and BAM you're outta there!).
Another thing that pissed me off about Cameron was his attempt (did it succeed by the way?) to ruin Brown's chances at the job for IMF leader. Petty and puerile act to punish someone who has retired from formal politics and trying to move on. I hope Cameron likewise gets haunted in the future. Anyway, Brown probably needs to lay low for a while and tell the English to **** off while he plays golf or whatever (not sure how the Scottish feel about him). I have a feeling history will treat him kinder than current opinion.
Oh, and I agree on the Thatcher comment. Damn, Thatcher was HARD, but she retrospectively was the perfect PM for the right times. Cameron is... meh.
Soubi-Hurt
Student Council President
Cutting Benefit would only work if you reduced Tax and since socialists rule this country tax Reductions and not likely. Also how to fund these tax cuts well there are a lot of things to cut but sadly Won't becasue those people are employed to vote for who's funding them.
Back to the bit about killing people for crimes thing, the only way you could be perfectly sure was if it was caught on multiple video sources at the same time and there was no question at all of mental health, otherwise you would always face the pressure of killing an innocent person who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I would love for socialists to be in charge, shame that communism only works on paper.
I would love for socialists to be in charge, shame that communism only works on paper.
mangaman74
Akatsuki
VivisQueen said:
That is the problem - It was not proper growth, it was growth based on the housing market (which is why savers are still getting shafted due to the low interest rates).
VivisQueen
Adventurer
Mutsumi said:
That's a mighty big flaw, there. What's the point of a system of government that doesn't deal with the reality of human nature? I mean, I came up with one that assumes we're all blobs of colourful magic goo that float around making sticky love all day. It's a perfect system, I tells ya, we're just not good enough for it.
Soubi-Hurt
Student Council President
VivisQueen said:
Communism is such a terrible system and i don't understand those who want it or like it. I feel we are too good For communism.
Animefreak17
Godhand
is Communism a government system where they say - follow our ideas and dont go against us or you'll be shoot or put in prison.Soubi-Hurt said:
Soubi-Hurt said:
We're too good to all be equals, are we? Too good to use our skills for the good of the community rather than for personal gain? Too good to share?
Wait, we're not good, we're selfish. Too selfish for communism. Too focused one what we can do for ourselves, not what we can do for each other.
Vashdaman
Za Warudo
ilmaestro said:
Yep I do agree with this somewhat. I think Cameron is an total slimey twit, but in terms of presence alone Cameron is hands down better than Brown. My word, Brown was an absolutely atrocious public speaker and had not one ounce of charisma in his entire body.
I thought Brown was a total flop, and it wasn't even because of the recession, I could understand that. It's just in all regards he was flop. Though I certainly don't like Cam'ron any more, buts whats new, all we really ever have is the choice between one dishonest idiot and another.
Soubi-Hurt
Student Council President
Mutsumi said:
No we're too good for it as we don't need someone in power to tell us what to do. Communism cannont exsist side by side with liberty and Democorcy that keep us free from the higher ups telling us what we can do. WE arn't equal as each person is different to another, thus communism Denies Humans from being Humans.
Another thing you can't force equality onto people or you'll get the medicore being in the places they wouldn't have gotten through striving to be the best.
Animefreak17
Godhand
TO Soubi-Hurt- here here
Soubi-Hurt said:
Democracy and liberty are both very overrated. Thanks to democracy, the media hold the most power, and their whims become negative campaigns against one side, which the ignorant masses swallow by the spoonful. What is wrong with an authority telling us what we can and cannot do? That is how it is at the moment.
Also, what is all this about 'forcing' equality on people? We ARE equal, but the current system does not represent that. At the moment, if you are from a poor background, you do not get the same oppertunities as someone of equal capability from a wealthy background. Fair? Hardly.
Animefreak17
Godhand
id rather go with democracy with my freedom to say what i want, go where i want, how i want then communist government that suppresses you and stops you from your rights as humans its like radial islam (im not aiming at islam just the ass holes that says follow our ways or die islam not the moderate islam ) anyway in china they tried to suppress the up rising in the middle east from reaching on chinese tv so the civilians wont rise in bigger numbers for the chinese government to handle cause the chinese government wants to stay in power no matter what.
Animefreak17
Godhand
same in cuba they say people with aids are to be put in prison or be killed thats communism
VivisQueen
Adventurer
Democracy alone and liberty alone won't help anyone. Democracy can lead to some farcical and even harmful actions. If you've got a country of ignoramuses who are free to act out their stupidity, let's see how long that nation lasts.
What we need (and actually tend to have) is a more tempered form of both. Liberty isn't full - laws will punish me for inciting hatred, for instance, or shagging goats. We have subsidies to limit the total freedom of the market, and in some perverse way, freedom has led to things like Fair Trade products, which work against the theoretically algorithmic market forces. And democracy - well, we have opinion leaders whose influence upon largely uninformed and irrational populace ensure we're steered nicely towards one action or another. Most Europeans (me excepted) don't trust the EU, but we're still in it!
Also, David Cameron's aim is to make government more accountable to those at the bottom e.g. by having elected police commissioners. I find his vision of Britain interesting and well-intentioned, but ultimately more libertarian bullcrap that will impoverish the poor and enrich the rich.
EDIT: Also, you know all those failed communist countries people keep mentioning? That's because they're not really communist. The problem with communism isn't that it's bad, it's that it doesn't work. The rule of the proletariat part (which again assumes the proletariat are naturally hard-working, intelligent, rational, and altruistic) never happens and rather we end up with selfish dictators. Communism is a 'nice try', but not actually a reality you can point to.
What we need (and actually tend to have) is a more tempered form of both. Liberty isn't full - laws will punish me for inciting hatred, for instance, or shagging goats. We have subsidies to limit the total freedom of the market, and in some perverse way, freedom has led to things like Fair Trade products, which work against the theoretically algorithmic market forces. And democracy - well, we have opinion leaders whose influence upon largely uninformed and irrational populace ensure we're steered nicely towards one action or another. Most Europeans (me excepted) don't trust the EU, but we're still in it!
Also, David Cameron's aim is to make government more accountable to those at the bottom e.g. by having elected police commissioners. I find his vision of Britain interesting and well-intentioned, but ultimately more libertarian bullcrap that will impoverish the poor and enrich the rich.
EDIT: Also, you know all those failed communist countries people keep mentioning? That's because they're not really communist. The problem with communism isn't that it's bad, it's that it doesn't work. The rule of the proletariat part (which again assumes the proletariat are naturally hard-working, intelligent, rational, and altruistic) never happens and rather we end up with selfish dictators. Communism is a 'nice try', but not actually a reality you can point to.