Yaoi and yuri, girls and boys

wow, this got turned into a thread.

Rui said:
vashdaman said:
The games up Rui, I've got you sussed. Your that industries equivalent to Andrew! Its an elaborate illusion but all those thousands of girls are really all Rui's ;)

Why am I paying myself to buy my own doujinshi?! ;_;

Ahem, anyway, when I read BL I don't actually tend to visualise myself as either of the guys (though some girls certainly do, and create weird weepy bishounen characters, which isn't my thing). I have nothing against heterosexual fanworks as well, it's just that female-orientated heterosexual material is relatively rare and of poor quality in comparison. One of my favourite circles does straight Gundam 00 books aimed at women readers. They are like gold dust on the used market. However, a lot of female anime characters are very much designed to pander to men, and I can't identify with them at all, so I would rather watch two grizzly, honest guys making out than a guy with a youthful dojikko blushing and being cute (or a temptress being overtly slutty in a way that doesn't quite work for me).

Also, there's the whole kinky forbidden love element, which I'm pretty sure guys who like girl/girl stuff can appreciate from the other side (the trope of persevering with a difficult but passionate relationship against the odds has been popular since forever).

R

Youthful dojiikko? bishounen? BL? I don't know what these mean but seeing as they may have something to do with two grizzly men making out, I'm too scared to find out.

Anyway I like feet.


Illmeastro said:
I have a super controversial response/semi-agreement/follow up question to this, but I am very much unlikely to post it at present.

Due to to your hesitation to post your supposedly controversial opinion I am going to try and guess and post the theory you can't currently voice.

Ahem,there is a possibility that lesbian pornography is so popular among straight men due to the fact that many men sub-consciously or consciously desire and fantasize about being able to have a sexual experience as the sexually superior gender: females. Men throughout the ages have sub-consciously or consciously resented the fact they are sexually inferior to women and lose vitality through the ejaculation whereas conversely the female only ever gains energy from sex (and thus can sustain having much more sex), some even believe this is the main reason in nearly every civilization throughout history the man has always strived to oppress the female and thus bitterly try to compensate for their sexual inferiority.

Thus perhaps many men have long desired to experience sex from a female perspective, but obviously with them being straight they don't want to identify with the women having hetro sex.

To be honest I'm sure this does not actually fully explain the popularity of lesbian porn, and definitely does not explain why women like watching two guys going at it but hey...

So was I close Illmaestro?

Personally I'm not really into the whole lesbian fantasy myself, What I really don't get is why some guys want to watch their own girlfriends having a lesbian experience. That would be the ultimate insult to me, I personally do not want to witness or think about my woman getting any kind of sexual pleasure not from me.
 
You actually managed to hit on one of the issues I was going to raise, although the general approach you took was not the same as I would have.

Also, please try to just c&p my name in future. :p

animefreak17 said:
but you know some people have fetish for 2D characters but why is that-
Oh god no.

Paradox295 said:
...nah thanks. I'll just take a cute girl who likes cuddling while eating pizza and watching nerdy TV shows/animu. :lol:
Wouldn't you rather a girl who didn't have such a craving for unhealthy food? :-/
 
Rui said:
vashdaman said:
japan and korea women love yaoi anime hentai *man love anime*

Yeah all of about three women!

I really don't think its as common as you make it sound.

Although the idea of "man love anime" does both make me lol and shudder at the same time.

I'm afraid it is quite common amongst women who have embraced the world of 2D. Sorry. There are bajillions of us out there.

It's not seen as anything weird for guys to like the idea of girls doing inappropriate things to one another, right?

R

I have no issue with Yaoi, but I do with slashfic. It REALLY ****** me off, the amount of people that go on about characters in films or whatever being gay with each other. It's not because it's guy on guy either, I wouldn't want people pairing Pepper Potts and Black Widow either. Maybe it's just because I'm a canon-whore, or maybe it's because of how ridiculously they fawn over their pairings and want them to be real.

Not to mention so many films seem to take advantage of this and push it home. X-men First Class really walked the line with Xavier and Erik's friendship and girls got all screamy about it. I just find it irritating that in slash writers eyes, guys just cannot just be friends and have to want to have it off with one another.

Rant over =P

Also as for why 2D porn appeals, it's worth checking out Genshiken for Madarame's rather eloquent explanation =P

vashdaman said:
To be honest I'm sure this does not actually fully explain the popularity of lesbian porn, and definitely does not explain why women like watching two guys going at it but hey...

Easily explained IMO; some guys would probably rather not look at another guy's **** while they're trying to get off. Probably think it's gay or something.
 
ilmaestro said:
You actually managed to hit on one of the issues I was going to raise, although the general approach you took was not the same as I would have.

Also, please try to just c&p my name in future. :p

animefreak17 said:
but you know some people have fetish for 2D characters but why is that-
Oh god no.

Paradox295 said:
...nah thanks. I'll just take a cute girl who likes cuddling while eating pizza and watching nerdy TV shows/animu. :lol:
Wouldn't you rather a girl who didn't have such a craving for unhealthy food? :-/
I didn't say cravings. Just that pizza makes everything a bit more awesome :lol:
 
vashdaman said:
Ahem,there is a possibility that lesbian pornography is so popular among straight men due to the fact that many men sub-consciously or consciously desire and fantasize about being able to have a sexual experience as the sexually superior gender: females. Men throughout the ages have sub-consciously or consciously resented the fact they are sexually inferior to women and lose vitality through the ejaculation whereas conversely the female only ever gains energy from sex (and thus can sustain having much more sex), some even believe this is the main reason in nearly every civilization throughout history the man has always strived to oppress the female and thus bitterly try to compensate for their sexual inferiority.
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ok show of hands who watches, reads

ecchi
hentai
fan service

come on just edmit it no ones heres going to poke fun.......... well i won't but anyway who here have reads and watches

ecchi
hentai or
fan service
ect
h
 
ilmaestro said:
You actually managed to hit on one of the issues I was going to raise, although the general approach you took was not the same as I would have.

Also, please try to just c&p my name in future. :p

animefreak17 said:
but you know some people have fetish for 2D characters but why is that-
Oh god no.

Paradox295 said:
...nah thanks. I'll just take a cute girl who likes cuddling while eating pizza and watching nerdy TV shows/animu. :lol:
Wouldn't you rather a girl who didn't have such a craving for unhealthy food? :-/

Sorry I'm a bit of a culprit for getting peoples forum names wrong it seems. At least its not as bad as when I was calling Citizen geek Citizen greek lol.
 
Amazon says you have recently bought:

Negima
Hayate no Gotoku!
BakaTest

Amazon suggests you might like:

*a variety of manga about crossdressing*

--

Felt more relevant to this thread than any other.
 
did someone mention yuri?

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Lawrence said:
animefreak17 said:
SHOW OF HANDS!!!!

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This enough?
HEIL HITLER
 
animefreak17 said:
ok show of hands who watches, reads

ecchi
hentai
fan service

come on just edmit it no ones heres going to poke fun.......... well i won't but anyway who here have reads and watches

ecchi
hentai or
fan service
ect
h
You honestly expect people to answer that :lol:
 
@Paradox295 Im not going to judge. anyway i know a few who watches ecchi or fan service animes here and there not being honest. why would it make a difference anyway Paradox295 you've seen in the others have been watching in the what iv been watching thread.
iv seen a few ecchi and fan service titles
 
Lawrence said:
Just wondering but shouldn't this be part AF's general chat thread?
It was split off due to being an actually worthwhile discussion (in theory - some people just can't help but post "funny" images instead >_>).
 
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