Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [final ep - 39]

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 19]

I couldn't help feeling the Whale was trying to mess with Nadia a bit, basically just giving her riddles rather than actual information. Nadia thinks she has a brother though, I wonder if she had memories of having a brother and assumed he was dead or is just finding out about it. I wonder if it'll turn out that Jean was her brother all along...

You'll find out in episode 37! (But having seen the show in it's entirety, I can promise you, Jean is not her brother.)

Nadia is surprised that Nemo might have feelings, I thought she'd figured that out by now but I guess she still didn't quite believe it.

Nadia never realizes that Nemo is a genuinely good person until it is too late, unfortunately. She gets even nastier to him in the next episode, stubbornly declaring to hate him and his crew despite all that they're doing. Her jealousy of Jean's friendship with Electra also gets worse, thanks to some "influence" from Grandis, to the point that she blows off an attempted compliment from Jean (who is advised by Electra to do so), even though he is somewhat awkward about it. Of course one can say that Jean hasn't clued into what's going on with her, but on the other hand, it would have helped the situation if she expressed concern over losing him instead of lashing out at him. Nadia does quite a bit of damage in the next episode. Luckily she is shown to regret her actions at the end after she has a talk with Electra about it.

Yes, I really love episodes 14, 16, 18 and 19; there's a sense of imagination and exploration that I find intriguing. I feel Nadia is at its best when focusing on action, mystery and exploration.

 

[msgeek]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 19]

ep19

Arriving Antarctica base. Lots of tech. Grandis is thinking about the shiny shiny.

Nemo rolls out on his chair again. Now I really want to know where it goes.

"The world tree"... dabbling in religious symbolism again?

More penguins...

Old white wise animal... reminiscent of Princess Mononoke...

Whale will not be seeing Nemo again...

The Whale's gift was... yeah... a little evasive...

A wild penguin appears. Provides directions... Does Anno have a thing for penguins?

Team rocket provide a bit of comedy for the ending.

 

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 19]

A wild penguin appears. Provides directions... Does Anno have a thing for penguins?

Not sure, but I did love those penguins, especially the last one where it waves its flipper and squeaks a friendly "hello!" I wonder how the penguin could understand Jean when he guessed (correctly) that it was leading them to Nemo.

 

[msgeek]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 19]

A wild penguin appears. Provides directions... Does Anno have a thing for penguins?

Not sure, but I did love those penguins, especially the last one where it waves its flipper and squeaks a friendly "hello!" I wonder how the penguin could understand Jean when he guessed (correctly) that it was leading them to Nemo.

Well given that Pen Pen is the most tragic character in Eva I'm starting to think there could be something more to it...

 

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 19]

A wild penguin appears. Provides directions... Does Anno have a thing for penguins?

Not sure, but I did love those penguins, especially the last one where it waves its flipper and squeaks a friendly "hello!" I wonder how the penguin could understand Jean when he guessed (correctly) that it was leading them to Nemo.

Well given that Pen Pen is the most tragic character in Eva I'm starting to think there could be something more to it...

Oh right, I had forgotten about that.

 

[HdE]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 19]

Well, I'm horribly behind on this, seeing as we've had visitors all week. But I have to say, I'm up to episode 11 now and I feel liek I've just started to really get into the show.

I'm only sort of half-watching this thread for fear of spoilers, but I spotted this and figured it was worth chiming in:

The ADV version has received mixed reviews, with some recent British reviews trashing it and calling it "unlistenable" (one Amazon UK guy said it was "stiff and emotionless" and that you should "only watch in Japanese or not at all." I seriously wonder where those critics are coming from, because as far as I'm concerned, the ADV dub of Nadia is a very commendable achievement for everyone involved and, frankly, underrated.

Honestly, people talk a lot of crap about dubs. This show's dub is 'unlistenable'? Not at all. I do find aspects of it grating - the way it has the cartoony-ness amped up, the fact that Jean is ALWAYS SHOUTING - but it's honestly pretty charming in its own way. I'm always surprised to hear that dub elitists are still a thing. Seriously - watch it however you want.

Worth mentioning as well - Episode 11 had me crying with laughter at King's reaction to his mouthful of peppery angler fish!

 

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 19]

Well, I'm horribly behind on this, seeing as we've had visitors all week. But I have to say, I'm up to episode 11 now and I feel liek I've just started to really get into the show.

I'm only sort of half-watching this thread for fear of spoilers, but I spotted this and figured it was worth chiming in:

The ADV version has received mixed reviews, with some recent British reviews trashing it and calling it "unlistenable" (one Amazon UK guy said it was "stiff and emotionless" and that you should "only watch in Japanese or not at all." I seriously wonder where those critics are coming from, because as far as I'm concerned, the ADV dub of Nadia is a very commendable achievement for everyone involved and, frankly, underrated.

Honestly, people talk a lot of crap about dubs. This show's dub is 'unlistenable'? Not at all. I do find aspects of it grating - the way it has the cartoony-ness amped up, the fact that Jean is ALWAYS SHOUTING - but it's honestly pretty charming in its own way. I'm always surprised to hear that dub elitists are still a thing. Seriously - watch it however you want.

Worth mentioning as well - Episode 11 had me crying with laughter at King's reaction to his mouthful of peppery angler fish!

I think Parsons was trying to get Jean's enthusiasm just right, and I applaud him for that. He may not have been an experienced voice actor at the time, but he does do a great job overall. As far as the cartoonishness goes, well, since some parts of the show do have some cartoonish moments of humor (subdued, though, not to the point of over ridiculousness), it's fitting. The Streamline dub from the '90s sounded much more "cartoony" to me.

 

[HdE]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 19]

It certainly does fit. I just think, in a few areas, it's over-egged.

I must admist, I'm not familiar with the Streamline dub, so I have no idea how the two compare.

 

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 19]

You can hear it at Behind The Voice Actors. Just search the character's names, and you'll see. Streamline only got about as far as eight episodes, though, so they couldn't do it all. Not that I mind; Streamline's version has its points, but all in all I think the ADV one plays best to me.

 

[BanzaiJedi]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

I've just been assuming there's more than one Garfish since there was one in the base when it exploded and it does seem they're still concerned about it even after the ramming incident.

Oh yeah, well spotted. I made the mistake of assuming that 'Garfish' was the nickname of a specific submarine, when it's actually a class of submarine. Still, I wonder how many NA have? There must be a substantial shipyard somewhere for NA to make more than one. But then any organization that can shrug off the destruction of an entire island full of materiel along with a superweapon must have enormous resources at their disposal.

Ep 17
Electra and Grandis are always entertaining when they are in the same room.

Plenty of character growth for Jean as he tackles the steep learning curve to adulthood. It was a nice touch seeing Nadia and Marie not understanding that. Marie seems to understand a little too much about Nadia's feelings though.

A bit strange that Jean suddenly wants revenge for his father's death, that's a complete u-turn from the last episode. Maybe he just said it thinking that Nemo was more likely to let him be a full crewmember if he shared a similar motivation to most of the existing crew.

Poor Hanson, Electra only has eyes for a certain stoic captain. Those flowers were very well made though.

Jean built a usable helicopter a mere forty years ahead of it's time. To be honest I can't decide what's more impressive, the fact that it works or the fact that someone with no experience flying helicopters managed to take off without losing control and killing everyone on the deck.


Ep 18
Nautilus has computers. Well, basic ones at least.

A secret base in Antarctica, huh? Oh wait, it's right in the middle of the continent. And underground. Lake Vostok maybe?

An active underwater volcano under the Antarctic ice sheet, NA's handiwork perhaps? There is actually one in real life but it was only discovered a few years ago, so unless Hideaki Anno has prophetic powers we can list this under the ever growing category of 'stuff that is out of place'.

Another long lost species of ocean life causes trouble. A creature that can resist a huge amount of electrical current and also extreme heat, and can crush a submarine made of space titanium. Let's hope there's not too many more of those about.

 

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

As mentioned, Episode 20 is my least favorite "Nautilus" episode, partially because this is the first real episode here where Nadia starts to act bratty. In all fairness, it is out of misconception for everything that is happening around her (thinking Jean is dumping her for Electra when nothing romantic is happening between the two, misinterpreting Jean accepting Nemo's reprimand for causing an accident as a case of the boy being weak, unwisely trying to "defend" him by insulting the Captain's crew, and rudely shooting down a compliment attempt), but she regrets it in the end of the episode. Even so, it's still one episode that I don't like watching so much. (Having said that, though, it does serve as the start of a trilogy of episodes that serve as the finale of the Nautilus arc; there are foreshadows of Electra's past and a buildup to the subsequent episode, which, along with 22, are among the strongest -- and last greatest -- episodes in the show until the final five.)

 

[Smeelia]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

A bit strange that Jean suddenly wants revenge for his father's death, that's a complete u-turn from the last episode. Maybe he just said it thinking that Nemo was more likely to let him be a full crewmember if he shared a similar motivation to most of the existing crew.

That's a good point, I think your explanation makes sense though.

An active underwater volcano under the Antarctic ice sheet, NA's handiwork perhaps? There is actually one in real life but it was only discovered a few years ago, so unless Hideaki Anno has prophetic powers we can list this under the ever growing category of 'stuff that is out of place'.

I think a fair bit of this kind of thing will be related to the Jules Verne connection, the idea that there are fantastic worlds yet to be discovered even on Earth (which is kind of true, I guess).

Episode 20
I think I might have to take Nadia's side on this one. I'm not saying that she was exactly right to get so frustrated but it's hard to blame her. She gets wound up by Grandis about the possibility of Electra pursuing Jean and then Jean is acting suspiciously about what he's been doing with Electra. Of course, Jean is just trying to keep the fact that he's been talking about Nadia with Electra a secret but this just makes Nadia more suspicious since she thinks his secret could be something entirely different. It doesn't really help that Jean decides to go with an obvious lie rather than an obfuscating truth, I don't think Nadia would have reacted as badly if he'd just said that he was getting his hair cut. Then Jean makes it worse by saying he complemented Nadia because he heard that all girls like to be complemented and basically that he's doing what Electra told him. It makes me wonder if the mistake in the title of the episode refers to more than the incident with his invention.

The fact that Nadia goes to talk to Electra about things rather than just going off on her own shows some growth. She may still react emotionally but she's at least thinking things through when she gets the chance and she's more willing to hear different perspectives. Ideally she would have tried to understand Jean in the moment but she's not quite there yet and at least she's trying. As Jean says, they're still kids.

It was interesting when Nadia went to complain about Jean's treatment, she notes that the Garfish was destroyed anyway. It seems like Electra could have implied that they wouldn't have had to destroy the Garfish and kill all the people on board if Jean hadn't given away their position. They'd probably have wanted to destroy it anyway but I just thought it was interesting that Nadia didn't really think about the deaths that occurred as an indirect result of Jean's actions (though I doubt she'd have accepted any arguments on that since she just wanted to defend Jean).

This episode certainly confirms there's more than one Garfish, apparently the one that is destroyed is Garfish 28. I wonder if that means that the Nautilus has destroyed at least 8 Garfish previously (I guess we know of at least two), since Electra notes they are outnumbered 20 to 1. I suppose she might not have meant exactly 20 to 1, another possibility is that they have more than one ship on their side but that seems unlikely. I'm probably reading too much into it.

On a related note, if 80% of the world's trade (in several goods, at least) only covers 3% of Neo-Atlantis' budget, just how much money do they have? I wasn't sure if they meant that it was 3% of their costs or 3% of the money they had available, it seemed to imply it was costs and that seems particularly crazy. It's also possible that I completely misunderstood what they were talking about. I noticed that the dub version states the new battleship is completed ahead of schedule while the sub states it's 60% complete and on schedule. I wonder if the dub guy was later executed for misreading his report. I'd imagine it probably doesn't make a difference to the story, anyway.

This episode was the most fanservicey for a while really. I guess it was also trying to humanise Electra a bit by showing that she's not always "on duty" (although I think we already had an idea of that).

I did like the bit about Sanson educating Marie on life.

I'm quite fond of the Neo-Atlantis theme. If I ever create an evil organisation, we'll use that theme... without permission, bwahahaha!

I quite enjoyed this episode really. The fact that there's a bath scene in it may or may not have influenced that.

 

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

I really don't take her side right here, though. I saw it differently.

I don't think Jean was actually lying when he said he was asking Electra about the composition of ether. Chances are he might have done so while he was getting his hair cut. Jean's not the sort of person who would lie, as far as I see it. Sure, he might not have wanted to mention what he and Electra were talking about, but on the flip side, Nadia DID come at him pretty aggressively, so to me it was like, "what am I supposed to do?" He was clearly feeling frustrated that it seemed that nothing he could do would make Nadia truly happy and that complimenting her wouldn't make a difference. He also clearly said that it wasn't true when Nadia accused him of "looking for some silly reason to visit that woman, aren't you?" So I think he was totally at a loss right there. I don't think he would have added that Electra informed him that it would be nice to compliment women, again, if Nadia wasn't so smolderingly angry at that moment. So I'd say his actions were understandable too.

The mistake the title was referring to, IMO, was clearly the incident on the deck when his glider went bad, not that particular scene. Even with the few moments where Nadia calms down and tries to realize what's REALLY happening, she was still very out of control here. I think she deserved the slap from Nemo as well.

She may still react emotionally but she's at least thinking things through when she gets the chance and she's more willing to hear different perspectives.

Not in the filler arc she doesn't. Once Shinji Higuchi took control of the director's seat starting from episode 23, all that went out the window. Big time. All the way until episode 35.

 

[Smeelia]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

I don't think Jean was actually lying when he said he was asking Electra about either. Chances are he might have done so while he was getting his hair cut.

Possibly, I guess even if he'd said he was getting his hair cut he might still have looked suspicious about it. Since he's a naturally honest person he was probably feeling nervous about being deceptive, even if he was doing it to protect Nadia's feelings. I wouldn't say I blame Jean either, although sometimes he's maybe a bit too oblivious. Still, he did seem to think that Nadia might be upset if he'd said they had been talking about her so it's odd that he'd then admit to it. I guess maybe he though explaining exactly what they were talking about might work to calm Nadia down.

In a sense, they both seem to expect the other to act as they would (which is pretty standard for humans). Jean assumes that honestly explaining the situation would result in a reasonable and accepting reaction, while Nadia suspects hidden motives behind Jean's words because she has difficulty being honest herself. I think they're also learning from each other though, Jean is initially hesitant to be honest because he's used to Nadia doubting him and Nadia stops storming off to go and seek an explanation from Electra because she realises that Jean could well have been being honest.

Of course, that's just my interpretation.

I guess that's why I even like moments like this, maybe they don't always seem to get along well but they're both trying their best in their own way.

I think she deserved the slap from Nemo as well.

I wasn't so sure about that one. What he said was right but I'm not sure he needed to hit her to say it. When Grandis hit Nadia previously she was kind of hyper and hitting her helped bring her down to earth, I'm not sure she was quite so far gone this time that she actually needed to be hit. To be fair though, I'm not really in favour of hitting people in general so I might just be a harsh judge.

 

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

I don't think Jean was actually lying when he said he was asking Electra about either. Chances are he might have done so while he was getting his hair cut.

Possibly, I guess even if he'd said he was getting his hair cut he might still have looked suspicious about it. Since he's a naturally honest person he was probably feeling nervous about being deceptive, even if he was doing it to protect Nadia's feelings. I wouldn't say I blame Jean either, although sometimes he's maybe a bit too oblivious. Still, he did seem to think that Nadia might be upset if he'd said they had been talking about her so it's odd that he'd then admit to it. I guess maybe he though explaining exactly what they were talking about might work to calm Nadia down.

In a sense, they both seem to expect the other to act as they would (which is pretty standard for humans). Jean assumes that honestly explaining the situation would result in a reasonable and accepting reaction, while Nadia suspects hidden motives behind Jean's words because she has difficulty being honest herself. I think they're also learning from each other though, Jean is initially hesitant to be honest because he's used to Nadia doubting him and Nadia stops storming off to go and seek an explanation from Electra because she realises that Jean could well have been being honest.

Of course, that's just my interpretation.

Interesting for you to say that, my interpretation was that Jean wasn't actually being deceptive as much as he was telling her something else that might have happened then.

I still don't like that scene, though; although I do give Nadia points that she goes back and talks to Electra and realizes she may have misunderstood/misjudged Jean to the point that she actually feels remorseful about it.

Problem was, this episode seemed to me to be the first time that Nadia struck a bad chord with me. I didn't mind her so much before this episode, but this was the first time I found myself not liking her. Then when episode 23-34 came along, she just became increasingly nastier with no real explanation. It was so alienating to me that I had trouble accepting the few moments during that arc when she wasn't so much so. They really pushed her too far during that part of the show to the point where I no longer cared about her at the end. It wasn't just Nadia they ruined during the filler arc either; they messed up EVERYBODY as well. Marie becomes abusive and chases King sadistically at one point, Jean basically turns into Wile E. Coyote and goes through with sneaking meat into Nadia's breakfast, Sanson and Hanson turn against each other... it just got so messy that it really soured the show for me. Then I realized that Anno didn't want it to be that long and would have made it shorter. He wasn't even in the director's chair during those episodes; he was clearly concentrating on the end, and honestly, it shows. I even thought about how he could have gone through with his original plans, but that's topic for another timem.

 

[Smeelia]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

Interesting for you to say that, my interpretation was that Jean wasn't actually being deceptive as much as he was telling her something else that might have happened then.

He seemed nervous, which was what made me (and Nadia, I assume) suspicious. Still, it could just as easily have been that he was nervous about complementing Nadia, he really had originally gone to Electra just to ask a question and was oblivious to the possibility that mentioning his discussion with Electra might bother Nadia.

It's hard to be sure, although the fact that he mentions to Electra he has noticed that Nadia often doubts what he says would suggest that he's not totally oblivious. Even if he was being deceptive though, I don't think it'd be a bad thing since he would have been acting out of the best of intentions.

Jean is certainly at least partly a victim of unfortunate circumstances. If his invention had blown up when there was no Garfish around there wouldn't have been a problem and if Nadia hadn't been getting worked up with her fears of losing Jean to Electra then she would have been calmer when she came to see him. You could make the argument that Jean didn't make any mistakes at all. Even so, it's possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. I guess that's life.

 

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

Interesting for you to say that, my interpretation was that Jean wasn't actually being deceptive as much as he was telling her something else that might have happened then.

He seemed nervous, which was what made me (and Nadia, I assume) suspicious. Still, it could just as easily have been that he was nervous about complementing Nadia, he really had originally gone to Electra just to ask a question and was oblivious to the possibility that mentioning his discussion with Electra might bother Nadia.

It's hard to be sure, although the fact that he mentions to Electra he has noticed that Nadia often doubts what he says would suggest that he's not totally oblivious. Even if he was being deceptive though, I don't think it'd be a bad thing since he would have been acting out of the best of intentions.

Jean is certainly at least partly a victim of unfortunate circumstances. If his invention had blown up when there was no Garfish around there wouldn't have been a problem and if Nadia hadn't been getting worked up with her fears of losing Jean to Electra then she would have been calmer when she came to see him. You could make the argument that Jean didn't make any mistakes at all. Even so, it's possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. I guess that's life.

That's how I interpreted it. Then again, I guess art is always open for it.

OT: Even though I consider episode 26 to be one of the worst episodes in the show, there is one moment where Jean finds himself in another situation where Nadia asks for a compliment from him, and he's nervous about it again (because she's wearing a very weird… uh, dress, and he's spooked out by the last incident with Electra), but this time she gets him to say it, albeit nervously.

I think the nervousness happened because it was bad timing; he had just received advice and was about to think about it, and then all of a sudden he finds Nadia staring angrily and jealously at him. I wouldn't blame him for being nervous. Yeah, I blame Grandis as well; she was clearly imposing her own jealousy of Electra onto Nadia as well. His subsequent actions show that he is serious about helping Nadia though; he's clearly ready to save her in the subsequent episode from being captured by Gargoyle even after the way she treated him about Electra.

 

[BanzaiJedi]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

Oh! I think I've caught up!


Ep 19

All that over-engineered machinery when the Nautilus docked reminded me of Tracy Island.

Big piles of mined metals, presumably left behind by the Atlantians. Still no sign of how they obtain their space titanium though.

World Tree? Some kind of Yggdrasil type concept I assume, which appears from time to time in anime.

Nit-picking alert! Maybe the subs just had a dodgy translation but how can there be such a thing as 'mutated cosmic rays'? Cosmic rays might cause mutation, but they themselves are pure energy and as such have no DNA to be mutated.

Nemo has a penguin army. Coolest thing ever.

Blue Water can provide cross-species telepathy, with added translation function. This might actually explain the 'flashing danger beacon' function. If it constantly monitors the brainwaves of everyone within it's range then it could pick up on intent to harm it's bearer.

A white whale. If only Nemo's real name was Ahab.


Ep 20

Jesus. NA's resources are much more vast than I ever expected. At least 28 Garfish-class submarines with a half-dozen new ones ready to launch, that is enormous production capacity.

Nadia still won't admit she likes Jean, and him spending a lot of time with Electra in her room is making Nadia jealous. Inevitably, Jean mis-reads the situation and encounters the sharp end of Nadia's wrath. He's really not very good at understanding how other people feel or at seeing things from someone elses point of view is he? At least Nadia went to Electra afterwards to find out for herself what was going on, a definite sign of maturity. A bit odd for them both to suddenly jump in a bath together though.

Marie is learning all sorts of things from Sanson.

A jet engine now? Either Jean is a Da Vinci level genius, or he just read about it in one of Electra's books.

Jean got told off, but in my opinion for the wrong reason. It was a bad idea to launch an aircraft when he had no means of controlling it once it was in the air, he's lucky no one on the deck was killed. For that reason I think he should have been disciplined. The crew instead disciplined him for giving away Nautilus' position to a Garfish, which he could not have been expected to know was nearby. I see this as being Electra's fault for not notifying everyone to keep quiet until they knew for sure there was no danger, especially as she must have known Jean was working on one of his projects outside. A simple sentence spoken over the tannoy would have stopped NA HQ from being able to hunt them down.


On a side note, I'm watching this on the BluRay which has all the episode names clearly visible and as such I can make a pretty good guess at what happens in the next few episodes. Dammed spoilers.

 

[JTurner]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 20]

It's not that; the problem right there is that Nadia hasn't even informed him about what she's concerned about. I don't think Nadia had made it very clear to him that she was genuinely worried about losing him to Electra; if she had said so, it would have saved both a LOT of trouble. I'm sure her telling him that she's worried would get Jean to tell her calmly that he is not in any way dumping her for Electra. It was just bad timing, and either way he didn't deserve that outburst Nadia lashed at him for. It was uncalled for, and even Nadia realized it.

Frankly, too, the real problem is Nadia herself. She's not a very stable, secure person, and as such she has a bad time controlling her temper. She eventually learns to control it, but she does quite a bit of damage doing so, unfortunately. Luckily Jean is a patient and forgiving fellow.

 

[Smeelia]

Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 21]

Episode 21
A new coat of paint and it'll be fine, I'm sure.

Gargoyle is a bit of a cheat, using all those super weapons from his big fancy battleship (with a barrier he can use his beams through, even). I thought it was interesting that the Japanese called the magnet the "Super Catch Beam" while the dub went with "Sea Net Beam".

Kind of an interesting battle in general, the Nautilus destroyed 10 Garfish fairly easily so I'm not sure why they didn't just attack to begin with. They didn't seem to be carrying a lot of ammo either, that one attack took some 70% of their ammo (minus whatever they used on the one other Garfish destroyed since leaving base). I would have thought another option would have been to outrun the Garfish, the Nautilus does seem to be faster. I mean, I know the whole thing was to get them to the Battleship but the plan relied on Nemo doing some very specific things when he had alternatives available. The plan seemed to be based on the idea that Gargoyle knew exactly what Nemo would do but Nemo did surprise them last time at the base (and I suppose this time with their "escape" attempt).

There's also the issue of Electra's plan, maybe Gargoyle doesn't realise that the Nautilus has such a potentially dangerous device on board but if they had felt completely desperate there's a good chance he'd be dead. That's assuming he actually is on the battleship and not somewhere else monitoring things. It was kind of lucky enough that those bombs exploding next to the weapons didn't cause more damage.

After the last problem they had breaking through a barrier it's odd that the Nautilus hadn't tried to work something out to deal with them. Maybe they had but it relied on being in the water or maybe they just didn't have time. Nemo and crew did seem a little complacent in their technological superiority, maybe that was part of the point (they do comment on it in the episode).

It was quite funny when Gargoyle commented on the low skill level of his Garfish crews, always a problem with these evil organisations.

I did like that Jean used his spare jet thing to rescue Nadia (good thing she knows how to land safely, it looked pretty far). I wonder if Jean was genuinely thinking of escaping when he ran after Grandis' crew, it seemed he just assumed that they were planning something. It might have been funny if they had just been escaping.

Not a bad episode overall I suppose. Grandis' crew kind of stole the show again with their heroic (and often amusing) efforts.