Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [final ep - 39]
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BanzaiJedi
Pokémon Master
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 12]
Ep 12.
This episode can be summed up in three words: Women Are Scary.
Great to finally see Grandis' backstory. It was bugging me how she pursued Blue Water early in the series and then just did a u-turn and didn't care anymore, now I understand why.
Also great to see Grandis and Electra sniping at each other over a certain ruggedly handsome captain, I'm hoping for lots more of that :wink:
Considering what Nadia did to her uniform I'm surprised that she seemed to like wearing a dress. Though that might not happen again anytime soon thanks to Jean's obliviousness...
And, was that nudity I saw there?
I have to admit I wasn't expecting that in what is ostensibly a childrens show.
Vegetarianism rears it's head again. So far it's only appeared briefly in episodes so I'm interested to see if it becomes a more prominent theme in the future.
Looks like it's back to more serious business next episode. How ominous.
Ep 12.
This episode can be summed up in three words: Women Are Scary.
Great to finally see Grandis' backstory. It was bugging me how she pursued Blue Water early in the series and then just did a u-turn and didn't care anymore, now I understand why.
Also great to see Grandis and Electra sniping at each other over a certain ruggedly handsome captain, I'm hoping for lots more of that :wink:
Considering what Nadia did to her uniform I'm surprised that she seemed to like wearing a dress. Though that might not happen again anytime soon thanks to Jean's obliviousness...
And, was that nudity I saw there?
I have to admit I wasn't expecting that in what is ostensibly a childrens show.Vegetarianism rears it's head again. So far it's only appeared briefly in episodes so I'm interested to see if it becomes a more prominent theme in the future.
Looks like it's back to more serious business next episode. How ominous.
ilmaestro
State Alchemist
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 12]
Episode 11
So many genius comic touches packed into one episode, it's hard to even pick just a couple out. Combined with a lot of effort to give us some insight into Electra, and touch on other mysteries of the ship, it really is remarkable how much they manage to coherently pack into one episode. Most show runners these days should be embarrassed by comparison.
I noticed a few people commented on Electra's relationship with Nemo, but not on how her connection to Jean is growing.
Episode 11
So many genius comic touches packed into one episode, it's hard to even pick just a couple out. Combined with a lot of effort to give us some insight into Electra, and touch on other mysteries of the ship, it really is remarkable how much they manage to coherently pack into one episode. Most show runners these days should be embarrassed by comparison.
I noticed a few people commented on Electra's relationship with Nemo, but not on how her connection to Jean is growing.
That reaction shot, and then the scene of King grabbing the fish and running away being animated on the ones, were definitely highlights.Professor Irony said:
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 13]
Ep 12
Such Grandis. Many dresses. Wow. Would concur that it was good to finally get some definite explanation of Grandis's motivation, although I think it was the right idea to keep it ambiguous until now - better to keep the audience guessing about the actual extent of her villainy.
They're killing me with these faces, honestly.
That's a good point. It's almost drowned out, given the sheer amount of other things going on, but Nemo and Electra do seem to be ever more positioned as surrogate parents, albeit very subtly, and notably far more for Jean than Nadia.
From the first few episodes, I was making assumptions about it being a childrens' show as well, but in light of the direction it's taken since they arrived at Gargoyle's island, I definitely think it's going for a broader audience than that.
I'd be curious to know what plans Streamline had for it, when they attempted to dub it back in the day, as it definitely feels like it would have been a cult hit if they'd got it on TV in the English-speaking world, but it would clearly need some creative editing before they would have got it anywhere near a kids' airing slot.
Would be interesting to know how the French handled that, actually - I know it was definitely on TV there.
Ep 12
Such Grandis. Many dresses. Wow. Would concur that it was good to finally get some definite explanation of Grandis's motivation, although I think it was the right idea to keep it ambiguous until now - better to keep the audience guessing about the actual extent of her villainy.
They're killing me with these faces, honestly.
ilmaestro said:
That's a good point. It's almost drowned out, given the sheer amount of other things going on, but Nemo and Electra do seem to be ever more positioned as surrogate parents, albeit very subtly, and notably far more for Jean than Nadia.
BanzaiJedi said:
From the first few episodes, I was making assumptions about it being a childrens' show as well, but in light of the direction it's taken since they arrived at Gargoyle's island, I definitely think it's going for a broader audience than that.
I'd be curious to know what plans Streamline had for it, when they attempted to dub it back in the day, as it definitely feels like it would have been a cult hit if they'd got it on TV in the English-speaking world, but it would clearly need some creative editing before they would have got it anywhere near a kids' airing slot.
Would be interesting to know how the French handled that, actually - I know it was definitely on TV there.
Strat
Great Teacher
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 13]
I'm gonna go slightly off topic here so if you're not interested don't mind me and please just skip this
-Before (or as) La cinq went bankrupt, AB Productions bought the rights to Nadia and made some additional changes and cuts. That was the second version and it got released later as a complete VHS set, which was still missing the 34th episode.
-In 2001 a 'restored' version aired on Game One. They didn't have the rights for a fully subtitled Japanese broadcast so it was based on the French AB masters (the ones that had undergone two censorships) and they filled in the missing scenes with the Japanese laserdisc version (subtitled), this time keeping the original opening/ending and eyecatches. I guess it was pretty grey-ish legally (or outright illegal?) which is why this version doesn't officially exist anymore and never hit the market.
-In 2002 the 34th episode got dubbed, leaving the songs untouched and subtitled.
-In 2013 Nadia got licensed by Dybex and finally released in its full uncensored version on Blu-ray and DVD as a CE and a special A4 Blue Water edition limited to 750 copies.
The censorship in the earlier versions included a mix of either simply cutting scenes or replacing them with still frames from earlier/later in the episode. It mainly concerned sexy or bloody scenes, more generally anything deemed too 'shocking' for the target audience, kids. The dub suffered from a bad translation and strayed from what was originally meant, obviously the fact that they cut some parts (including all of the bath scenes) didn't help.
Some examples (source):
Episode 6: [spoilerbutton]Japanese LD version ---------------------------- French AB version
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Episode 12: [spoilerbutton]Japanese LD version ---------------------------- French AB version
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I'm gonna go slightly off topic here so if you're not interested don't mind me and please just skip this
-It was originally censored for its Italian broadcast in the early 90s. This version also aired on French network La Cinq, dubbed (except for the 34th episode which hadn't been dubbed due to it containing too many songs... and as such it simply wasn't broadcast). That was the first version and I think it got released as a multi part VHS set.Professor Irony said:
-Before (or as) La cinq went bankrupt, AB Productions bought the rights to Nadia and made some additional changes and cuts. That was the second version and it got released later as a complete VHS set, which was still missing the 34th episode.
-In 2001 a 'restored' version aired on Game One. They didn't have the rights for a fully subtitled Japanese broadcast so it was based on the French AB masters (the ones that had undergone two censorships) and they filled in the missing scenes with the Japanese laserdisc version (subtitled), this time keeping the original opening/ending and eyecatches. I guess it was pretty grey-ish legally (or outright illegal?) which is why this version doesn't officially exist anymore and never hit the market.
-In 2002 the 34th episode got dubbed, leaving the songs untouched and subtitled.
-In 2013 Nadia got licensed by Dybex and finally released in its full uncensored version on Blu-ray and DVD as a CE and a special A4 Blue Water edition limited to 750 copies.
The censorship in the earlier versions included a mix of either simply cutting scenes or replacing them with still frames from earlier/later in the episode. It mainly concerned sexy or bloody scenes, more generally anything deemed too 'shocking' for the target audience, kids. The dub suffered from a bad translation and strayed from what was originally meant, obviously the fact that they cut some parts (including all of the bath scenes) didn't help.
Some examples (source):
Episode 6: [spoilerbutton]Japanese LD version ---------------------------- French AB version
Episode 12: [spoilerbutton]Japanese LD version ---------------------------- French AB version
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Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 13]
Ah, that was very interesting - thanks!
I'd seen some of "Nadia et le secret de l'eau bleue" on the French AB Sat 'Mangas' channel about ten years ago, but without any frame of reference back then, I certainly couldn't have told you now how it compared.
Shows that we potentially could have had Nadia on kids tv here, had the planets aligned themselves properly...
Ah, that was very interesting - thanks!
I'd seen some of "Nadia et le secret de l'eau bleue" on the French AB Sat 'Mangas' channel about ten years ago, but without any frame of reference back then, I certainly couldn't have told you now how it compared.
Shows that we potentially could have had Nadia on kids tv here, had the planets aligned themselves properly...
msgeek
Magical Girl
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 13]
ep13
Synchronised tooth brushing?
Surely even veggies must think that once an animal has been killed it is more wasteful not to eat it?
Angry at Marie? She was even on her side it seemed.
Marie is not entertained.
Mid-Episode theme song. Seems almost out of place here.
Encouraging children to play on railway lines?
If in doubt, ask the stick?
Ah she forgot to ask the stick. Rookie mistake.
Nadia seems to quickly forget her anger when she needs Jeans help...
A gentleman should always have a spare hat?
Nadia's is pissed again.
ep13
Synchronised tooth brushing?
Surely even veggies must think that once an animal has been killed it is more wasteful not to eat it?
Angry at Marie? She was even on her side it seemed.
Marie is not entertained.
Mid-Episode theme song. Seems almost out of place here.
Encouraging children to play on railway lines?
If in doubt, ask the stick?
Ah she forgot to ask the stick. Rookie mistake.
Nadia seems to quickly forget her anger when she needs Jeans help...
A gentleman should always have a spare hat?
Nadia's is pissed again.
st_owly (witch)
Time-Traveller
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 13]
Eps 11-12. I enjoyed the submarine episode. Things are starting to take a darker turn now. Nadia must have upset if she's even pushed King away though that didn't last long. She admitted she was lonely too. Sorry for lack of coherent thoughts, it's been a long few days.
Eps 11-12. I enjoyed the submarine episode. Things are starting to take a darker turn now. Nadia must have upset if she's even pushed King away though that didn't last long. She admitted she was lonely too. Sorry for lack of coherent thoughts, it's been a long few days.
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BanzaiJedi
Pokémon Master
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 13]
Interesting post there BlackStrat, thanks!
Ep 13 (j-dub).
Nemo looking out to see stoically all the time... the guy needs to let his hair down, over-thinking your troubles is bad for your mental health.
Marie running across the hills with the theme song playing was brilliant. The lyrics fit perfectly, almost as if they where written about her.
I had to laugh when the railway split in four directions and she suddenly said "Oh my God!" in english. I don't know why, I just found it funny.
Sanson saves the day and gets to be even more awesome than normal. "Lucky!"
Nadia is showing a lot of naivety in her attitude towards the taking of life. As an orphan sold to the circus she should know full well that life is never fair.
Interesting post there BlackStrat, thanks!
Ep 13 (j-dub).
Nemo looking out to see stoically all the time... the guy needs to let his hair down, over-thinking your troubles is bad for your mental health.
Marie running across the hills with the theme song playing was brilliant. The lyrics fit perfectly, almost as if they where written about her.
I had to laugh when the railway split in four directions and she suddenly said "Oh my God!" in english. I don't know why, I just found it funny.
Sanson saves the day and gets to be even more awesome than normal. "Lucky!"
Nadia is showing a lot of naivety in her attitude towards the taking of life. As an orphan sold to the circus she should know full well that life is never fair.
Smeelia
Thousand Master
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 14]
Interesting stuff about the French broadcast/release, especially just how much they cut from episode 12.
Episode 13
Fun episode this and it used the sudden switch in mood quite well too.
I also really liked the bit with the soldier that tries to capture Marie by the cliff, which does work in both dub and sub. For a moment there I thought Marie might have racked up her first kill. The dub makes the soldier sound a bit more menacing, although in a sense it also makes him seem like more of a comically inept cartoon villain with delusions of grandeur (to the extent that I'd imagine him now thinking of himself as Marie's arch-nemesis and saying things like "I'll get you next time!").
It was also nice to see Marie and Nemo bonding. Nemo is actually surprisingly effective in the more light-hearted moments, I think I might like to see more of that but then it could undermine the character/story if they did it too often.
Episode 14
Sanson and Marie's adventures together really brought them closer together, they're kind of like family now. Maybe that Sanson was apparently also orphaned at a young age (well, it was implied that he was young at the time) is a factor too. It seems like there are an awful lot of orphans in the group in general really.
I thought it was kind of funny the way that Grandis ran into the sick bay wielding a knife.
I wonder if Nemo would have changed course if Nadia hadn't also fallen ill. It's kind of a shame that we're unlikely to find out, I guess the engineer's comments imply that he would have. I have to admit, his decision did seem sensible if the disease is that dangerous and apparently contagious. They did mention the Garfish was only two minutes away though, it seems like they could have spared the time to catch it but then if they'd been damaged and unable to get to the reef the whole crew could have been at risk from the disease.
King went along on the trip mostly so that he could put himself in danger (and Jean when he attempted to rescue King). It's kind of interesting the way that King often seems to be causing or otherwise involved in events that end up being significant for the characters. Things would be quite different if he hadn't been in the show.
Bonus points for explaining why everyone has a diving suit, it might have seemed odd if they hadn't said anything but it kind of makes sense that Jean and Hanson would have had a look at them.
I like the way the show handles Nemo's character. It does a pretty good job of mostly showing us different sides of him rather than relying only on what people tell us about him or having him break character to explain himself. I suppose it also keeps him mysterious to an extent, I think it works quite well anyway.
Interesting stuff about the French broadcast/release, especially just how much they cut from episode 12.
Episode 13
Fun episode this and it used the sudden switch in mood quite well too.
That was my thinking too, I suspect for Nadia it's an issue of eating a murdered animal being a form of condoning the murder. I think certain religions may have had similar restrictions (it may be okay to eat something that died "naturally" but not that was killed to be eaten).msgeek said:
I guess her attitude might be that we can't choose what others do but we can choose what we do and if we really value life then we shouldn't be taking lives even if it means we'll almost certainly die. You could call it naïve (and in Nadia's case it certainly may be) but I guess there's a certain logic to it as well. I have to admit, I'm not sure Nadia herself knows exactly what she believes and she certainly struggled to explain it to Jean.BanzaiJedi said:
This is one of my favourite moments (it's not the same in the dub, unfortunately). I can't explain it either.BanzaiJedi said:
I also really liked the bit with the soldier that tries to capture Marie by the cliff, which does work in both dub and sub. For a moment there I thought Marie might have racked up her first kill. The dub makes the soldier sound a bit more menacing, although in a sense it also makes him seem like more of a comically inept cartoon villain with delusions of grandeur (to the extent that I'd imagine him now thinking of himself as Marie's arch-nemesis and saying things like "I'll get you next time!").
It was also nice to see Marie and Nemo bonding. Nemo is actually surprisingly effective in the more light-hearted moments, I think I might like to see more of that but then it could undermine the character/story if they did it too often.
Episode 14
Sanson and Marie's adventures together really brought them closer together, they're kind of like family now. Maybe that Sanson was apparently also orphaned at a young age (well, it was implied that he was young at the time) is a factor too. It seems like there are an awful lot of orphans in the group in general really.
I thought it was kind of funny the way that Grandis ran into the sick bay wielding a knife.
I wonder if Nemo would have changed course if Nadia hadn't also fallen ill. It's kind of a shame that we're unlikely to find out, I guess the engineer's comments imply that he would have. I have to admit, his decision did seem sensible if the disease is that dangerous and apparently contagious. They did mention the Garfish was only two minutes away though, it seems like they could have spared the time to catch it but then if they'd been damaged and unable to get to the reef the whole crew could have been at risk from the disease.
King went along on the trip mostly so that he could put himself in danger (and Jean when he attempted to rescue King). It's kind of interesting the way that King often seems to be causing or otherwise involved in events that end up being significant for the characters. Things would be quite different if he hadn't been in the show.
Bonus points for explaining why everyone has a diving suit, it might have seemed odd if they hadn't said anything but it kind of makes sense that Jean and Hanson would have had a look at them.
I like the way the show handles Nemo's character. It does a pretty good job of mostly showing us different sides of him rather than relying only on what people tell us about him or having him break character to explain himself. I suppose it also keeps him mysterious to an extent, I think it works quite well anyway.
st_owly (witch)
Time-Traveller
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 14]
Ep 13 - Marie is smart for a wee kid. Nice fun episode, this one. The Indiana Jones railway chase was a lot of fun to watch. Nadia gets emotional very easily. I think she sees things as a lot more black and white than they often are.
Ep 14 - And back to the darker stuff. Definitely see the 20000 Leagues influences in this episode. Jean and Nadia have definitely become closer. I also wonder if Nemo would have changed course if Nadia hadn't become ill.
Ep 13 - Marie is smart for a wee kid. Nice fun episode, this one. The Indiana Jones railway chase was a lot of fun to watch. Nadia gets emotional very easily. I think she sees things as a lot more black and white than they often are.
Ep 14 - And back to the darker stuff. Definitely see the 20000 Leagues influences in this episode. Jean and Nadia have definitely become closer. I also wonder if Nemo would have changed course if Nadia hadn't become ill.
msgeek
Magical Girl
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 14]
ep14
So does Nadia not understand the concept of "cold blooded murderer"?
Nadia is quick to run to "the hated" Nemo for help with Marie...
Don't run with knives Grandis. I'm sure Marie would have told you that if she wasn't out.
Nemo rolls on outta there.
Sanson gets all Philosophical.
Gentlemanly volunteering again. However I can't help but think that Nemo bringing along 4 newbs on this time critical expedition is just going to cause more problems than it's worth.
Kind of reminiscent of the film "The Abyss". Kind of want to watch that now...
Sanson getting Philosophical again.
Technicality... But do "herbs" grow underwater?
ep14
So does Nadia not understand the concept of "cold blooded murderer"?
Nadia is quick to run to "the hated" Nemo for help with Marie...
Don't run with knives Grandis. I'm sure Marie would have told you that if she wasn't out.
Nemo rolls on outta there.
Sanson gets all Philosophical.
Gentlemanly volunteering again. However I can't help but think that Nemo bringing along 4 newbs on this time critical expedition is just going to cause more problems than it's worth.
Kind of reminiscent of the film "The Abyss". Kind of want to watch that now...
Sanson getting Philosophical again.
Technicality... But do "herbs" grow underwater?
BanzaiJedi
Pokémon Master
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 14]
Ep 14.
Sanson has grown really attached to Marie, just like Hanson with Jean and Grandis with Nadia. I don't see Team Rocket becoming the 'bad guys' again.
Nemo made the only decision he could make. This suggests he is not dangerously obsessed with his cause, or at the very least he considers Nadia to be more important. Though now I find the motivations of his crew to be equally interesting.
Taking a lion deep sea diving? I would love to see someone try that in real life, though I doubt they would survive the attempt :lol:
I thought those magical medicinal cure-all herbs were exclusive to Raccoon City
Nemo to the rescue. That seems to have confused Nadia no end.
This for me is the most interesting aspect of the show currently, watching them be exposed to humanity at both it's best and worst and having to reconcile that with their beliefs and preconceptions. I'm fascinated to see whether their philosophies to life begin to shift in any direction, or do they stand firm by their convictions.Smeelia said:
Ep 14.
Sanson has grown really attached to Marie, just like Hanson with Jean and Grandis with Nadia. I don't see Team Rocket becoming the 'bad guys' again.
Nemo made the only decision he could make. This suggests he is not dangerously obsessed with his cause, or at the very least he considers Nadia to be more important. Though now I find the motivations of his crew to be equally interesting.
Taking a lion deep sea diving? I would love to see someone try that in real life, though I doubt they would survive the attempt :lol:
I thought those magical medicinal cure-all herbs were exclusive to Raccoon City
Nemo to the rescue. That seems to have confused Nadia no end.
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 14]
Ep13
This one has the dubious honour of being both the first episode of Nadia I ever saw in English and also (I think) the first thing I watched when I joined the local anime club some years ago. It makes a hell of a lot more sense now that I've got some context for it, but Marie and Sanson going on that minecart ride certainly lived on in my mind.
Nevertheless, Sanson is clearly not a man who knows that giant enemy boss crabs must be attacked in their exposed eye for massive damage.
Marie's "Oh My God" also had me in stiches, but mostly because Jojo. And at the end when both exclaimed "Ga-ga-ga, ga-ga-ga", I can't say I wasn't inwardly shouting "GAO GAI GAR" either...
Ep14
"King wants to go too!" Yes Jean, that is clearly what the expression on his face says...
I like how Captain Nemo doesn't even take his hat off to go diving. That is just the kind of man he is.
Ep13
This one has the dubious honour of being both the first episode of Nadia I ever saw in English and also (I think) the first thing I watched when I joined the local anime club some years ago. It makes a hell of a lot more sense now that I've got some context for it, but Marie and Sanson going on that minecart ride certainly lived on in my mind.
Nevertheless, Sanson is clearly not a man who knows that giant enemy boss crabs must be attacked in their exposed eye for massive damage.
Marie's "Oh My God" also had me in stiches, but mostly because Jojo. And at the end when both exclaimed "Ga-ga-ga, ga-ga-ga", I can't say I wasn't inwardly shouting "GAO GAI GAR" either...
Ep14
"King wants to go too!" Yes Jean, that is clearly what the expression on his face says...
I like how Captain Nemo doesn't even take his hat off to go diving. That is just the kind of man he is.
Smeelia
Thousand Master
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 14]
Episode 15
Hey, this Fait guy is pretty cool and interesting. I hope he appears more often in future episodes because he's sure going to be a great addition to the cast and... Dagnabit. I guess the clue was in the name?
They did the whole cliché glasses routine and somehow it was still great. I'm almost impressed by Jean's complete lack of tact, he chooses the moment after Nadia steps on his glasses to talk about just how important they are to him (if he wasn't usually so nice I'd suspect he was deliberately trying to make her feel worse).
Good to see that the US navy is willing to mobilise a whole fleet on the word of a highly suspicious guy wearing a mask. Anyone who dresses that well must be trustworthy. I'd have thought Neo-Atlantis was one of those organisations with wealthy supporters that could put some influence in to get this sort of thing done, rather than relying on anonymous tips.
The Nautilus sure seems to be made to look stupid an awful lot. Not that the Garfish people were particularly smart either. I have to wonder why people who work for Neo-Atlantis would be willing to perform a suicide attack, I thought it was more one of those organisations that draws greedy and power hungry people (who'd be the last to sacrifice themselves).
I wonder what kind of gas was leaking into the engine room, given how long it took to kill the inhabitants you'd think they could open the door for a few seconds. I guess maybe a tiny bit of the gas is totally lethal but not necessarily instantly so, which is why they had to be locked in right away but stayed alive for a while. Still, if gas leaks in that area were likely I'm not sure why they didn't have breathing apparatus ready for such an emergency. Maybe the breathing equipment itself would represent an additional risk (though that seems like a stretch) or if the gas really is that lethal then maybe it's just not worth having (because if there's a leak you're dead anyway). Come to think of it, it was mentioned they could have been saved if they could vent the gas so it couldn't have been that bad.
Poor Mr Fait, he was all set to have a cool, calm and dignified death but he just lost it at the end. Unless the screaming was one of the other two guys, it seemed like they'd kind of been forgotten (or they just weren't as important). "Guys, you're ruining my moment".
Still, the episode had a pretty good mix of the light-hearted stuff, some tension and a bit of an emotional blow. I guess the really important things were the crew's dedication to their mission, the fact that dying sucks and the impact of the events on Jean and Nadia. It was particularly interesting that Jean may have moved more towards Nadia's way of thinking while she might be going in the other direction.
Episode 15
Hey, this Fait guy is pretty cool and interesting. I hope he appears more often in future episodes because he's sure going to be a great addition to the cast and... Dagnabit. I guess the clue was in the name?
They did the whole cliché glasses routine and somehow it was still great. I'm almost impressed by Jean's complete lack of tact, he chooses the moment after Nadia steps on his glasses to talk about just how important they are to him (if he wasn't usually so nice I'd suspect he was deliberately trying to make her feel worse).
Good to see that the US navy is willing to mobilise a whole fleet on the word of a highly suspicious guy wearing a mask. Anyone who dresses that well must be trustworthy. I'd have thought Neo-Atlantis was one of those organisations with wealthy supporters that could put some influence in to get this sort of thing done, rather than relying on anonymous tips.
The Nautilus sure seems to be made to look stupid an awful lot. Not that the Garfish people were particularly smart either. I have to wonder why people who work for Neo-Atlantis would be willing to perform a suicide attack, I thought it was more one of those organisations that draws greedy and power hungry people (who'd be the last to sacrifice themselves).
I wonder what kind of gas was leaking into the engine room, given how long it took to kill the inhabitants you'd think they could open the door for a few seconds. I guess maybe a tiny bit of the gas is totally lethal but not necessarily instantly so, which is why they had to be locked in right away but stayed alive for a while. Still, if gas leaks in that area were likely I'm not sure why they didn't have breathing apparatus ready for such an emergency. Maybe the breathing equipment itself would represent an additional risk (though that seems like a stretch) or if the gas really is that lethal then maybe it's just not worth having (because if there's a leak you're dead anyway). Come to think of it, it was mentioned they could have been saved if they could vent the gas so it couldn't have been that bad.
Poor Mr Fait, he was all set to have a cool, calm and dignified death but he just lost it at the end. Unless the screaming was one of the other two guys, it seemed like they'd kind of been forgotten (or they just weren't as important). "Guys, you're ruining my moment".
Still, the episode had a pretty good mix of the light-hearted stuff, some tension and a bit of an emotional blow. I guess the really important things were the crew's dedication to their mission, the fact that dying sucks and the impact of the events on Jean and Nadia. It was particularly interesting that Jean may have moved more towards Nadia's way of thinking while she might be going in the other direction.
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 15]
Ep15
I actually wondered if the Garfish crew had already abandoned their sub and just set it on a collision course, rather than willingly going to their doom, but I dunno. Regarding the gas and the lack of safety precautions, I suppose it could be tied into the fact that the crew don't fully understand the Nautilus and the technology on board it, but it kind of plays into the niggling thought I've had that the tech in the show just hasn't been as well thought through as it might have been. It feels incredibly nitpicky to say so, but I don't think the show has sold me on its fantasy science to the extent that something like Laputa did. The technology in Nadia all looks retro, but even given the 'advanced civilisation' explanation, it feels like too many bits are familiarly 1920s or 1950s in their appearance for it to really convince me that this is taking place in 1889 as we would know it.
Now that I've written that, it also finally occurs to me why they chose 1889 as the year - it would be exactly a hundred years prior to the show's development.
Ep15
I actually wondered if the Garfish crew had already abandoned their sub and just set it on a collision course, rather than willingly going to their doom, but I dunno. Regarding the gas and the lack of safety precautions, I suppose it could be tied into the fact that the crew don't fully understand the Nautilus and the technology on board it, but it kind of plays into the niggling thought I've had that the tech in the show just hasn't been as well thought through as it might have been. It feels incredibly nitpicky to say so, but I don't think the show has sold me on its fantasy science to the extent that something like Laputa did. The technology in Nadia all looks retro, but even given the 'advanced civilisation' explanation, it feels like too many bits are familiarly 1920s or 1950s in their appearance for it to really convince me that this is taking place in 1889 as we would know it.
Now that I've written that, it also finally occurs to me why they chose 1889 as the year - it would be exactly a hundred years prior to the show's development.
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 15]
This is my first post on the site, but I personally want to add my personal thoughts on the show.
The first eight episodes are absolute classics, no questions asked. They do an excellent job of bringing the show to life. The Nautilus episodes are slower, but there still are great episodes on there. Episodes 13-19 in particular are my favorites.
Of the two lead characters I personally prefer Jean; he's an instantly likable character and you can tell from the start that he really wants to make Nadia happy. He's nerdy and caring, and most of all, a true friend where it counts. I don't like the scenes where Nadia takes her anger out on Jean, though; considering that he is not actively doing anything to betray her trust, it's frustrating seeing her say nasty things to him. The scene in ep 10 in particular wasn't really fair, because Jean didn't really do much except a naive glance. Even then, I think Nadia was more outraged about being separated instead, and she recognized she had behaved badly and apologized. This is what I like best about Nadia's character in the first 22 episodes; despite having the temper, she realizes her error and tries to make amends, and Jean, naturally, being the forgiving type, accepts. That said, I think it would have been far nicer if Nadia had asked Jean to compliment her dress instead of getting frustrated at him for not "reading her mind." It would have saved both a lot of trouble. Personally, I feel that Jean doesn't even deserve half the flak he gets.
That said, I'm sure you'll all love episodes 16-19. There are some very nice moments where Nadia is supportive of Jean.
Episode 20 is my least favorite Nautilus episode; watching Nadia impulsively lash out at Jean over jealousy of his friendship with Electra isn't cool, especially when the latter is trying to do something nice for her. Luckily she realizes her error.
Episodes 21 & 22 are fantastic and among the best of the episodes.
On the other hand, absolutely skip episodes 23-29 and 32-34. Those episodes are the pits. Nadia also gets REALLY unsympathetic during these episodes. Trust me, you'll find yourself disliking her during them.
This is my first post on the site, but I personally want to add my personal thoughts on the show.
The first eight episodes are absolute classics, no questions asked. They do an excellent job of bringing the show to life. The Nautilus episodes are slower, but there still are great episodes on there. Episodes 13-19 in particular are my favorites.
Of the two lead characters I personally prefer Jean; he's an instantly likable character and you can tell from the start that he really wants to make Nadia happy. He's nerdy and caring, and most of all, a true friend where it counts. I don't like the scenes where Nadia takes her anger out on Jean, though; considering that he is not actively doing anything to betray her trust, it's frustrating seeing her say nasty things to him. The scene in ep 10 in particular wasn't really fair, because Jean didn't really do much except a naive glance. Even then, I think Nadia was more outraged about being separated instead, and she recognized she had behaved badly and apologized. This is what I like best about Nadia's character in the first 22 episodes; despite having the temper, she realizes her error and tries to make amends, and Jean, naturally, being the forgiving type, accepts. That said, I think it would have been far nicer if Nadia had asked Jean to compliment her dress instead of getting frustrated at him for not "reading her mind." It would have saved both a lot of trouble. Personally, I feel that Jean doesn't even deserve half the flak he gets.
That said, I'm sure you'll all love episodes 16-19. There are some very nice moments where Nadia is supportive of Jean.
Episode 20 is my least favorite Nautilus episode; watching Nadia impulsively lash out at Jean over jealousy of his friendship with Electra isn't cool, especially when the latter is trying to do something nice for her. Luckily she realizes her error.
Episodes 21 & 22 are fantastic and among the best of the episodes.
On the other hand, absolutely skip episodes 23-29 and 32-34. Those episodes are the pits. Nadia also gets REALLY unsympathetic during these episodes. Trust me, you'll find yourself disliking her during them.
Smeelia
Thousand Master
Re: Simulwatch - Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water [current ep - 16]
I think one of the reasons Nadia works well as a character for me is that she's basically a particularly well written Tsundere. It's almost always understandable when she lashes out, even if it's not often fair or justified and she does take the time to think about what she's done and usually regret it. She has flaws but they're believable and human. I think the moments when Nadia is apologetic or does something nice are stronger for knowing that she's trying to improve herself.
Episode 16
Related to the above, there's a really nice moment here where Nadia goes to comfort Jean (for a change). Those two can really be surprisingly enjoyable to watch.
Also kind of related, I thought it was a bit harsh of the Chief Engineer to imply that Nemo having to put up with Nadia was a punishment. Sure, she can be moody but she's not that bad (though I guess Nemo is usually just a target of Nadia's anger rather than getting to see the better sides of her).
I'm not entirely sure if the shadowy sequences with Nadia were actual conversations or sort of an internal thing where different people are representing different thoughts Nadia is having/aspects of her personality. I guess it works either way.
I wonder if the Sonar Operator (yes, I've forgotten his name already) knew that his captain had been Jean's father and just hadn't found the right time to let Jean know. It seemed that way but it's also possible that he only knew Jean's first name (though Jean does tend to introduce himself with his full name). It was a pretty sudden way to deal with that story thread but I think it actually worked quite well because sometimes life is like that. That said, it's tough to convince me that a character is absolutely definitely dead. It'd be funny if Gargoyle turns out to be Jean's father and they were treating him as dead because he was "dead to them". I guess that wouldn't work anyway if it was the Garfish that sunk their ship (well, maybe Neo-Atlantis were just a bunch of pirates and Gargoyle took over and organised them after he'd been captured).
I wonder if Neo-Atlantis knows where Atlantis is or if they picked up the technology from some other remnant. It seems like it'd be risky to keep going back to Atlantis if Neo-Atlantis knows where it is, even if they couldn't get in without Nemo's key thing (they could still guard the entrance and they might even have a key of their own).
I did quite enjoy this episode, not the most light-hearted but it had some pretty good moments and wasn't entirely grim.
I wondered about that too, it doesn't look like there are any bodies in the wreckage when the Garfish breaks up. I guess that's not conclusive since it could just be the way it's drawn/framed but it'd make more sense.Professor Irony said:
Welcome to the forums.JTurner said:
I think one of the reasons Nadia works well as a character for me is that she's basically a particularly well written Tsundere. It's almost always understandable when she lashes out, even if it's not often fair or justified and she does take the time to think about what she's done and usually regret it. She has flaws but they're believable and human. I think the moments when Nadia is apologetic or does something nice are stronger for knowing that she's trying to improve herself.
Episode 16
Related to the above, there's a really nice moment here where Nadia goes to comfort Jean (for a change). Those two can really be surprisingly enjoyable to watch.
Also kind of related, I thought it was a bit harsh of the Chief Engineer to imply that Nemo having to put up with Nadia was a punishment. Sure, she can be moody but she's not that bad (though I guess Nemo is usually just a target of Nadia's anger rather than getting to see the better sides of her).
I'm not entirely sure if the shadowy sequences with Nadia were actual conversations or sort of an internal thing where different people are representing different thoughts Nadia is having/aspects of her personality. I guess it works either way.
I wonder if the Sonar Operator (yes, I've forgotten his name already) knew that his captain had been Jean's father and just hadn't found the right time to let Jean know. It seemed that way but it's also possible that he only knew Jean's first name (though Jean does tend to introduce himself with his full name). It was a pretty sudden way to deal with that story thread but I think it actually worked quite well because sometimes life is like that. That said, it's tough to convince me that a character is absolutely definitely dead. It'd be funny if Gargoyle turns out to be Jean's father and they were treating him as dead because he was "dead to them". I guess that wouldn't work anyway if it was the Garfish that sunk their ship (well, maybe Neo-Atlantis were just a bunch of pirates and Gargoyle took over and organised them after he'd been captured).
I wonder if Neo-Atlantis knows where Atlantis is or if they picked up the technology from some other remnant. It seems like it'd be risky to keep going back to Atlantis if Neo-Atlantis knows where it is, even if they couldn't get in without Nemo's key thing (they could still guard the entrance and they might even have a key of their own).
I did quite enjoy this episode, not the most light-hearted but it had some pretty good moments and wasn't entirely grim.