ayase said:
See, I really enjoyed that. OTT comedy and self-parody was the last thing you would expect after the pretty bleak Zeta, but I thought it was a pretty hilarious turnaround which (for the most part) paid off due to the sheer audacity of it all.
I would agree, the problem is that I thought that it was really low quality as a parody, it's not a problem about the idea, it's a problem about the realization. Plus I didn't like that the parody element was present only during the first episodes (except some bits here and there).
This series could have been really good, if not great, if it was coherent from start to finish. I really don't like when a series changes register with apparently no reason. And I don't like when a series that tries to be serious is disjointed. Just for example the episodes about the "forgotten" colony (lol about forgetting about the existence of a colony) with the twin sisters (can't find their correct names) had almost no sense (at least watching the bootleg, cough cough).
ayase said:
YES. Judau for most likeable UC Gundam protagonist, by a country mile. But then I liked a lot of the characters of ZZ - I certainly felt more attached to them than I did most of their predecessors.
Agreed. ZZ does not have my favourite UC Gundam characters (Char and Sayla), but overall and on average it has the best "cast".
ayase said:
As for the lack of Bright-slapping, that was something I picked up on too. I don't know how your subs treated it, but at one point someone remarks how Capt. Bright is allowing the protagonists to "behave like children" and he resignedly replies "I've stopped trying to treat them as anything else". I think Tomino perhaps worried he had treated young characters too harshly in the past; Ideon and Bright-slaps aside, there was the thoroughly unlikeable Mr. Wong not just slapping but beating the **** out of Kamille in Zeta. If I recall correctly, Judau actually delivers his comeuppance via a quick kick to the stomach when he tries to get tough with him - Highlighting a fundamental change in how ZZ intended to approach things.
Yes, the series is more "children are the future, let them live it on their own".
But I always intended the Bright slaps as a metaphorical way to go against some characters, and not as what slapping a boy represents in real life. For example when Bright slapped Amuro I did not think "crap, violence is not good", but I thought "good for you Amuro, you whiny b**ch". Some metaphorical slaps would have been welcome.
ayase said:
I always thought Haman was an excellent antagonist (aided in no small part by the mesmerising voice of Yoshiko Sakakibara) and the series is certainly helped by her being there, especially considering that Glemy is by far and away the weakest link in ZZ, and a poor replacement for the much better developed Jerid in Zeta. Luckily (IMO) we have the infinitely more entertaining Mashymre and Chara to make up for it... They could have had a Gundam spin-off of their own. I'd have watched it.
Haman is really good, much much better here than in Zeta. But for me Char is THE anime villain/antihero/whatever (he is the main reason why 0079 and Zeta are good), so I need to complain about his absence.
Glemy (named Kurimin and some other variations on the bootleg, lol) could have been a good character, but he was developed really badly.
Chara had one of the worst voice actresses ever, totally the opposite of Haman. Her crazyness was a good point in the first episodes, but I think they ruined her at the end. As I think they could have forgotten about Mashymre, he was the parody I liked more in the first episodes.
About Jerid from Zeta, I agree that character was well developed (after all he became the "orange-kun" prototype). What I did not like about him was how all the fights against Camille were written: Jerid attacks, Camille is going to loose, deus ex machina and Jerid needs to escape. If Zeta had a non-whiny Camille and better fights between Camille and Jerid (meanng they were not the same photocopy again and again) then it would have been the definitive UC Gundam series (IMO of course).
I'm still cursing after that damned bootleg. I think the only name they wrote correctly was Haman. For Chara and Ple they used something like 10 different names (for Ple they used Puri, Puli, Purin, Palin, Pu-Li, Pa-Li and some more). I really can't understand them: once you are stealing the original video, then steal also the subs from a fansub, you already are a thief. It has no sense to give the "work" to make the subs to various people who can't write in English and will transliterate the names in 94398 different ways. Curse them.
Now I really want to watch Turn A, but there's no legit way, crap.
Teo