Politics

[deactivated]

please people, if you dont like the big 3, vote for another party, a wasted vote, is as bad as a vote for a party you hate, the Conservatives or BNP dont care if the turnout is less than 25%, they will claim the peoples backing if they get in, they dont care that 75% may not have voted

That's more or less why I vote, but I agree with Arby - Voting for the lesser of two evils is not voting for who you want to govern the country, which is what democracy is supposed to be about.

Agreed, i vote for who i want to vote for, in Europe, thats the Lib Dems, here, that will probably be the Greens

The BNP did had a stand outside my town hall, and a fight kicked off.
It had to be supervised by the police after that, good times.

I can't believe there are enough facists around to make the BNP count for anyting.
As for me... I voted for the Green party. And then I got a lift home.

 

[ayase]

please people, if you dont like the big 3, vote for another party, a wasted vote, is as bad as a vote for a party you hate, the Conservatives or BNP dont care if the turnout is less than 25%, they will claim the peoples backing if they get in, they dont care that 75% may not have voted

That's more or less why I vote, but I agree with Arby - Voting for the lesser of two evils is not voting for who you want to govern the country, which is what democracy is supposed to be about.

Agreed, i vote for who i want to vote for, in Europe, thats the Lib Dems, here, that will probably be the Greens

But voting for a party which doesn't stand a chance in hell doesn't change a thing in non-Euro elections, as nationally we don't have proportional representation. You might feel like you've had your say, but really our system means your voice isn't heard at all unless you vote for a major party. In some safe seats it doesn't even matter if you vote for any other party than the one in control - It's never going to change.

 

[Otaku-san]

today, the nation may hang its head in shame:

the BNP now have an MEP, shame upon all who voted for them, even if it was a protest, you are the most vile people in the UK, there is no, and i mean this in the strongest possible terms, no excuse for racism and xenophobia

see im not sure whether she's calling us vile or the BNP, case as far as i'm concerned the BNP can drown in a vat of its own piss

 

[BlackWolf]

today, the nation may hang its head in shame:

the BNP now have an MEP, shame upon all who voted for them, even if it was a protest, you are the most vile people in the UK, there is no, and i mean this in the strongest possible terms, no excuse for racism and xenophobia

see im not sure whether she's calling us vile or the BNP, case as far as i'm concerned the BNP can drown in a vat of its own piss

Actually they are calling those who voted for the BNP vile, and they are but the fact is most will be riding a wave of blame against a scapegoat. The BNP are just using the economic problem as a way of boosting themselves (like "you know who's to blame for your lack of job, forginers" that sort of thing) People getting caught up it in may be rational people but are looking for what they see as an easy fix to the situlation, which doesn't exist and is certainly not what the BNP offer.

 

[Otaku-san]

today, the nation may hang its head in shame:

the BNP now have an MEP, shame upon all who voted for them, even if it was a protest, you are the most vile people in the UK, there is no, and i mean this in the strongest possible terms, no excuse for racism and xenophobia

see im not sure whether she's calling us vile or the BNP, case as far as i'm concerned the BNP can drown in a vat of its own piss

Actually they are calling those who voted for the BNP vile, and they are but the fact is most will be riding a wave of blame against a scapegoat. The BNP are just using the economic problem as a way of boosting themselves (like "you know who's to blame for your lack of job, forginers" that sort of thing) People getting caught up it in may be rational people but are looking for what they see as an easy fix to the situlation, which doesn't exist and is certainly not what the BNP offer.

the thing is all BNP want to do is put workers against workers, which is not sovling the underlyibng problem of reccession

 

[ayase]

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Thread Reboot. A certain political situation is really pissing me off ATM...

Oh, f*ck off America. This is how you repay us for standing by you during almost a decade of pointless, illegal war? Where's Gordon? I demand he stand up and tell the Yanks what an ungrateful bunch of bastards they are. Preferably in a TV news conference where he hugs Colonel Gadhafi while wearing a T-shirt saying "I love Osama Bin Laden" and then they hoist the stars and strips together upside down and set fire to it. We are not some third-world backwater for you to boss around. We are your closest allies in the world. Show us some damn respect.

I'm all for staying in Afghanistan until the job's done (mainly for the sake of the Afghan people) but if I was PM right now I'd be so pissed off I'd pull all the troops out right now... and give Libya, North Korea, Iran, Cuba and Venezuela a nuclear bomb each. For the lulz.

Anyone want to vote for me?

The FTL Party - The downfall of civilisation inside a week or your money back.

 

[shira]

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Thread Reboot. A certain political situation is really pissing me off ATM...

Oh, f*ck off America. This is how you repay us for standing by you during almost a decade of pointless, illegal war? Where's Gordon? I demand he stand up and tell the Yanks what an ungrateful bunch of bastards they are. Preferably in a TV news conference where he hugs Colonel Gadhafi while wearing a T-shirt saying "I love Osama Bin Laden" and then they hoist the stars and strips together upside down and set fire to it. We are not some third-world backwater for you to boss around. We are your closest allies in the world. Show us some damn respect.

I'm all for staying in Afghanistan until the job's done (mainly for the sake of the Afghan people) but if I was PM right now I'd be so pissed off I'd pull all the troops out right now... and give Libya, North Korea, Iran, Cuba and Venezuela a nuclear bomb each. For the lulz.

Anyone want to vote for me?

America have a point though. It's stupid that guy got let out on compassion.

 

[ayase]

I don't really care if they have a point or not, I don't like them treating the UK this way, as though we're some little kid for them to be "disappointed by".

And as for Megrahi, who not that many people outside of the families of the victims actually thinks did it (victims always want someone to blame - you could have told them it was the Chuckle Brothers and they'd have believed it) he Is Going To Die Very Soon. If he did do it, ultimate revenge / justice no?

 

[BlackWolf]

Ah this issue, see i'm torn with this, i believe that life in prison means life, that even with a terminal illness they should die in jail. I mean if they didn't want to do the time they shouldn't of done the crime. What messes with this line of thinking though is the fact about proof, did they ever fully prove that he did it? He was protesting his innocence long enough so eiher its one of two things 1) he was right or 2)He's been telling himself it for so long he now believes it. I suppose there is a possible third option here but that that's of him being a perfect sleeper agent, doing the deed without him ever realising. Still i think there was a political reason as to why he was released, trying to make libya happy enough to win them over to our side.

As far as america goes though, here's what i think...What are they going to do about it? As far as i know they can't legally do anything outside new evidence being found (highly unliklely and if any is found it would be highly suspect after all these years) In short america's annoyed now but that won't last if they are to expect anything else off us. Unless of course they go "you should help us because you let that criminal fee" which would be geogre bush heights of childishness.

 

[MaxonTreik]

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Thread Reboot. A certain political situation is really pissing me off ATM...

Oh, f*ck off America. This is how you repay us for standing by you during almost a decade of pointless, illegal war? Where's Gordon? I demand he stand up and tell the Yanks what an ungrateful bunch of bastards they are. Preferably in a TV news conference where he hugs Colonel Gadhafi while wearing a T-shirt saying "I love Osama Bin Laden" and then they hoist the stars and strips together upside down and set fire to it. We are not some third-world backwater for you to boss around. We are your closest allies in the world. Show us some damn respect.

I'm all for staying in Afghanistan until the job's done (mainly for the sake of the Afghan people) but if I was PM right now I'd be so pissed off I'd pull all the troops out right now... and give Libya, North Korea, Iran, Cuba and Venezuela a nuclear bomb each. For the lulz.

Anyone want to vote for me?

America have a point though. It's stupid that guy got let out on compassion.

Why? He's going to die soon anyway. Besides, did you see what they actually did? It's not as if they let him out for the lulz or on a whim.

 

[Ryo Chan]

tbf we're just doing what our country is ment to be, the Christian thing

the fact that America's moaning despite insisting they're a huge Christian country is comical

i see both sides points though, and i'm neutral on it.

 

[ayase]

I think I'd best leave the Christian morality comment - we've covered religion enough for a lifetime already...

I think, as Black (and Colonel Gadhafi - proving even he's more open and honest than our own government) says it's more than likely one of the reasons for doing it was to get on Libya's good side. Contrary to the American doctrine, I think it's probably better for us (both economically and in matters of national security) to be losing enemies and gaining friends in the international community. If we get lucrative business contracts and oil by giving them a convicted man with three months to live, that's got to be better for everyone than the American way of doing the same thing.

The way to influence people is to become their friends first and then use that influence to encourage them to see things our way... That's what we have to do to make countries like Libya and China part of the international community. Not threaten and bad mouth them every time they do something we don't like - which is what it looks like America has started doing, even to us.

 

[SciFiBoy!]

personally, so far as I can tell it is the decision of the Scottish government what to do with prisoners under there purview, so why the US and UK central government are involved is confusing to me, as for the decision itself, its a difficult one, I mean, he is gonna die anyway and he is no longer a threat to society...so I can understand the reasons to release him, though the Libiyan reaction was rather tactless given the circumstances.

 

[ayase]

personally, so far as I can tell it is the decision of the Scottish government what to do with prisoners under there purview, so why the US and UK central government are involved is confusing to me...

They aren't really involved at all (we're still the United Kingdom though, and long may we remain), but the Yanks like to have their say about everything that goes on in the world, usually in a loud, condescending and obnoxious manner. I'm just stunned they're doing it to us. We're currently fighting a war together FFS. It just smacks of a massive superiority complex - having no respect even for your allies. I just think it calls for retaliation instead of this grovelling reaction the government have given "Oh we asked the Libyans not to make a fuss, honest guv'nor! Oh, I know... Isn't it awful the way they behaved. We're very disappointed too. But at Libya." Reminds me of that Blackadder scene where he kicks the cat...

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My kind of leader would stand up and tell Obama and the director of the FBI exactly where to shove their 'disappointment'.


I had to look 'purview' up. You learn something every day... 'tis a silly word though. Sounds like the name of a cat's retirement home.

 

[BlackWolf]

nice vid there ayase but you're right though and i don't see what they are hoping to achieve by acting out this way, if anything it most sensible goverments it would cause an oppoisite reaction to the one the yanks are looking for. As a nation should we really care what america thinks? i mean since when have they been the boss of us, we may be fighting a war together but that's it and we should never bow to their pressure (again)

 

[MaxonTreik]

Oh hey. If you guys want to help worsen my country's economic situation without giving a thought for me and my fellow Scottish citizens, despite the decision being a government ruling, you can do so here.

 

[fabio de lunatico]

Given the most victims of Lockerbie were American, and that the FBI played an important role in the subsequent investigation, I think the US are entitled to voice their opinion.

That won't make me popular, but that's not why I'm here =P

 

[MaxonTreik]

Given the most victims of Lockerbie were American, and that the FBI played an important role in the subsequent investigation, I think the US are entitled to voice their opinion.

That won't make me popular, but that's not why I'm here =P

What annoys me is that they think only their opinion matters when other countries are affected.

 

[ayase]

^ Exactly. Not releasing him when he met the criteria for release on compassionate grounds would, as far as I can see, have necessitated a change in UK (Scottish?) law. American officials wanted another sovereign nation - their closest ally in the world - to ignore their own legal system because it meant they wouldn't get what they wanted.

And the Director of the FBI has the gall to say we're making a 'mockery of justice'... ¬_¬

 

[chaos]

^ Exactly. Not releasing him when he met the criteria for release on compassionate grounds would, as far as I can see, have necessitated a change in UK (Scottish?) law. American officials wanted another sovereign nation - their closest ally in the world - to ignore their own legal system because it meant they wouldn't get what they wanted.

And the Director of the FBI has the gall to say we're making a 'mockery of justice'... ¬_¬

They'd overthrow the government if they could. They did it before.