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Actually it does.

You knowingly decided to buy a version that is only available to students because you didn't want to pay the extra £800 or so. Its basic common sense that they would require proof of your student status. Its nothing to do with age as you can be a student in your 50's and still get the discount.

You didn't HAVE to give them your details in the same way they didn't HAVE to give you the discount.

But then its not like your age is a secret. Its in April I think. You doing anything fun for your birthday?
 
The question here is whether, by law, they can do it or not. If they can, they can under any circumstances, if they can't, they just simply can't. Of course there might be legislation on this, which I should diligently look up, but my mental health would take a turn for the worse if I tried to without any clue as to what to look for. But yeah, its safe to assume that there isn't any such legislation.

Yes, I'm doing some very interesting things (irony), like... COURSEWORK! Bwahahaha!
 
The law is contract law. You entered into a contract with them that required you to proove your student status and give them an agreed amount of money. In the same way that they entered into a contract with you to supply you with the product at the agreed price once your contractual obligations have been fulfilled.

There is no law saying you HAVE to provide them with proof of your student status in the same way there is no law saying they HAVE to give you a discount because you are a student. What the law does state is both parties have to fulfill the contract.

http://www.adobe.com/uk/support/service ... edu_eu.htm

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Students, faculty, and staff who are not willing or able to provide appropriate identification
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Let's just cut the crap. What would be better than any kind of justification for these new rules would be to not have the original laws they are now choosing to enforce online.

Most of us have probably enjoyed buying cheap student edition software when we aren't students, and age restricted products when we were underage online. Why do we do it? Because the age ratings laws restrict our personal freedom, and industry standard computer software is massively overpriced.

Why be bothered by some new online selling regulations when the real problem is the age restrictions themselves?
 
I understand very well that a contract has been entered into, however I can easily imagine (I am merely suggesting that it is possible) that said term could be in conflict with another law. A vague common law rule perhaps? I'm not suggesting that the courts would strike the clause down, merely that if someone wanted to, he could make an argument in protection of his privacy.

ayase said:
Let's just cut the crap. What would be better than any kind of justification for these new rules would be to not have the original laws they are now choosing to enforce online.

Most of us have probably enjoyed buying cheap student edition software when we aren't students, and age restricted products when we were underage online. Why do we do it? Because the age ratings laws restrict our personal freedom, and industry standard computer software is massively overpriced.

Why be bothered by some new online selling regulations when the real problem is the age restrictions themselves?
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I don't actually know why bother with it... guess its just to bother about something lol.
I would concur that the prices are messed up and so are the restrictions. But what can we do? This is the 21st century. All we can create are more rules and euphemisms... and of course everyone's favourite: inconsistency.

I think we're so damn powerless to get rid of the age restriction rules. I mean, the majority of people are sheep. If they're told that their 16 yo kid's not meant to fap, they will accept that. The whole 16-17 age tier is a bunch of shat.
 
These student discounts have been around for so long that if the terms were unfair then someone would have pointed it out. But IMO moaning about privacy when you happily post your personal details on the internet is just a bit daft.

ie your DOB, email address, your home address and telephone number etc...
 
1, I am not moaning. Despite the fact that I go along with their wishes, I don't have to approve of their ways right? And don't forget, if Adobe can do it, anyone can do it.
2, There is a gross difference between the bargaining power of corporate bodies and consumers. I find that unfair. Now I have no chivalrous code of honour of consumers, or anything of that sort, so I will happily continue to whine and whinge.
3, My personal details are no secret, but an ID for example is not merely a document with stuff written on it, it has a certain authority coming from your legal persona. It is your representative if you like.
 
Politics in Ireland are getting a major shake-up at the moment. The ruling Fianna Fáil and Green parties are getting an absolutely creaming in the local elections. Thankfully, my favourites, the Labour Party, are picking up lots of seats :]

In the EU elections, Labour are going to take more seats again, which is great! My own European constituency (Munster) is about to get it's first Labour MEP, Alan Kelly, who will hopefully be replacing Independent Kathy Sinnot who is basically a Catholic pawn.

Elsewhere, I have mixed feelings about the Party for Freedom gaining seats in the EU in the Netherlands. I dislike that they are anti-EU but I like that a movement of thinking is finally properly standing up to Islam and is getting popular support.

How's it all going over in the UK?
 
CitizenGeek said:
The ruling Fianna Fáil and Green parties are getting an absolutely creaming in the local elections.
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So I guess that would make them Fianna FAIL? :p

CitizenGeek said:
How's it all going over in the UK?
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In the local elections the map has turned overwhelmingly blue, as was expected. Though the independant candidate I voted for actually unseated the sitting Tory councillor in my district so I'm pretty pleased with that, even if NYCC did stay Tory (it was always going to, it's been Tory since forever). In fact my entire town has turned five sevenths independant, with both Labour and the Tories losing seats. If only the rest of the country had followed suit we might have been in for at least a bit of change at county level.

The general feeling seems to be that Labour voters have just become disenfanchised and didn't vote, and I don't really blame them. Nothing major is likely to change with the local councils anyway though - I know quite a bit about local politics as family members have been involved in the past, and it mainly involves sitting around waiting for old councillors (of whichever party) to resign / die before the modernisers can get anything done. Then with time the new ones simply take the place of the old ones in trying to prevent progress. That's politics in a nutshell, I think.

I imagine the EU elections have been pretty disastrous for Labour, we'll just have to wait and see. I was anticipating the negative fringe parties like UKIP and the BNP to gain, until I heard that UKIP had been nicely "hidden" behind a second fold in the ballot paper in some regions (the reporter in that clip can barely hide her amusement, and neither can I XD).
 
the elections have both been dissapointing for me, first the torie scum winning in the locals, now the EPP look like winning again in the EU, **** all round, where are all the Liberals?
 
I know, it's disapointing to see Tory scum in power at any time. I don't know how Brits can trust the party of Thatcher and Major again, but I guess you'll find out how great right-wing economic policy is when we're in yet another massive recession in another 10 years time. And the Tories really will drag Britain back a lot after all the social progress made by Labour (civil partnerships, bans on hate speech, etc. would not have happened if the Tories had their way).

The EPP is, at least, pro-European so it's not that bad. I think the PES will pick up a lot of seats in France and Germany, too, so it has a fighting chance of becoming the biggest party in the EU parliament. The fringe parties that are winning (like the anti-Islam party in Holland) are siphoning votes from the right, so the left will be as strong a position as it was last time around while the right will lose some seats. Fingers crossed the PES succeeds, anyway!
 
CitizenGeek said:
I know, it's disapointing to see Tory scum in power at any time. I don't know how Brits can trust the party of Thatcher and Major again, but I guess you'll find out how great right-wing economic policy is when we're in yet another massive recession in another 10 years time. And the Tories really will drag Britain back a lot after all the social progress made by Labour (civil partnerships, bans on hate speech, etc. would not have happened if the Tories had their way).

The EPP is, at least, pro-European so it's not that bad. I think the PES will pick up a lot of seats in France and Germany, too, so it has a fighting chance of becoming the biggest party in the EU parliament. The fringe parties that are winning (like the anti-Islam party in Holland) are siphoning votes from the right, so the left will be as strong a position as it was last time around while the right will lose some seats. Fingers crossed the PES succeeds, anyway!
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problem in the UK is that people dont vote, turnout is rechid at best, despite that partys who win claim to be the voice of the people, when infact the voice of the people is saying, we dont like any of you.

personally, i voted Lib Dem in the EU elections, general will be harder choice for me, i may vote Green
 
SundayMorningCall said:
problem in the UK is that people dont vote, turnout is rechid at best, despite that partys who win claim to be the voice of the people, when infact the voice of the people is saying, we dont like any of you.
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I made sure to vote, but I suspect a lot of people voted out of sheer dislike for Labour, which effectively means a swing to the right. Tory supporters probably smelled blood in the water, and made sure they represented themselves. People with less vehement dislike for the current government probably had less of an incentive to turn up.
 
I voted for the socialist workers party for the EU, since CPB dosn't have a role in these places.
i may like to talk more about socialist reform, but i'm a little out of it, plus the secret police is watching
 
To be honest, when i went in to vote for the EU elections on thursday i was seriously wondering why i was. At present, there is no party out there which deserves to be in charge, no matter how much they say this or that, be it Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem. Heck, i'd rather not see that annoying Cameron as Prime Minister, he's just this annoying guy wanting more power. I think the best thing to do, which will never happen, is to kick everyone out, and put in people WE want in, as i'm sure we don't want anyone in thats in already.
 
Arbalest said:
To be honest, when i went in to vote for the EU elections on thursday i was seriously wondering why i was. At present, there is no party out there which deserves to be in charge, no matter how much they say this or that, be it Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem. Heck, i'd rather not see that annoying Cameron as Prime Minister, he's just this annoying guy wanting more power. I think the best thing to do, which will never happen, is to kick everyone out, and put in people WE want in, as i'm sure we don't want anyone in thats in already.
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I think there should be a 'none of the above' box.
 
please people, if you dont like the big 3, vote for another party, a wasted vote, is as bad as a vote for a party you hate, the Conservatives or BNP dont care if the turnout is less than 25%, they will claim the peoples backing if they get in, they dont care that 75% may not have voted
 
today, the nation may hang its head in shame:

the BNP now have an MEP, shame upon all who voted for them, even if it was a protest, you are the most vile people in the UK, there is no, and i mean this in the strongest possible terms, no excuse for racism and xenophobia
 
SundayMorningCall said:
please people, if you dont like the big 3, vote for another party, a wasted vote, is as bad as a vote for a party you hate, the Conservatives or BNP dont care if the turnout is less than 25%, they will claim the peoples backing if they get in, they dont care that 75% may not have voted
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That's more or less why I vote, but I agree with Arby - Voting for the lesser of two evils is not voting for who you want to govern the country, which is what democracy is supposed to be about.
 
ayase said:
SundayMorningCall said:
please people, if you dont like the big 3, vote for another party, a wasted vote, is as bad as a vote for a party you hate, the Conservatives or BNP dont care if the turnout is less than 25%, they will claim the peoples backing if they get in, they dont care that 75% may not have voted
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That's more or less why I vote, but I agree with Arby - Voting for the lesser of two evils is not voting for who you want to govern the country, which is what democracy is supposed to be about.
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Agreed, i vote for who i want to vote for, in Europe, thats the Lib Dems, here, that will probably be the Greens
 
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