"How should I vote?"

ayase said:
Yes, because despite Godot's reasonable arguments I still think the British government is worse than the European government.
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I do love debating with you Ayase, but comments like this I hate. Why don't you tell me what I can do to address the issues you have personally? If the death of millions in third world countries doesn't mean anything to you, what can I possibly propose. Everything I spoke about regarding the tariffs and Supply & Demand is fact, and so is the fact that there are innocents dying because a bunch of unelected bureaucrats care more for power!

Please, just at least open your mind to the possibility to a different view. If not, please make it clear so I don't spend a lengthy amount of time writing a reply for you, that despite reading, you refuse to really acknowledge. Thankfully it seems others have read what I had to say though, thankfully.

Asdrubael said:
That would mean being under the European Central Bank and joining our economy closely with other EU countries.
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If this worries you, when looking at the Labour policies, be sure to note how Brown proposes to bring us into a world banking system.

This is just a top hit on google, he speaks about it more in the debates. I'm sure a little bit of digging will reveal more to you.
 
The people of Britain will awaken on 7th May with a brand new government in bed with them. Recoiling from smell of yesterday's clamorous sleaze and depravity, they will stumble to the shower to wash themselves in a morning-after haze of hope. 'It's the same old ****,' they'll smile to themselves, 'but it's still looks new!'

I, for one, am quite beside myself with excitement. Be sure to vote!
 
I should have spent the £500 and got myself on the list. Vote for the anime party, anime on TV in both sub and dub, state funding for anime distros and maid cafes in every town :)
 
Nah, you stand as an indepentent candidate.

To represent a real party you need to join and get elected by the local members as the person to stand in the general election.

You can register your own party, but they might not accept it. From what I've seen its pretty cheap to register a party.

http://registers.electoralcommission.or ... arties.cfm

Just click 'search' to get a list of ALL the registered parties.
 
I'm going with the Liberal Democrats, there by no means perfect, but I want to see a balanced parliament and electoral reform.
 
This sums up my final feelings pretty well:

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Source.
 
well, this is a dark day for the UK, Cameron is going to be PM within hours.

the second the Tories have a big lead in the polls, long before any refferendum on AV (which isnt even PR btw) Cameron will call a new election and stab the Lib Dems in the back, Labour will need one hell of a change in direction to regain power, the Lib Dems are in real danger now, they have to HOPE that the polls dont give the Tories a big lead for long enough for them to make an impact and moderate some big policies.
 
Hurrah!

Even with all these supposedly magical voting systems we'd still be in the same situation of no overall winner. So you'd very likely be seeing a Tory and Liberal government.
 
I feel like crying :(

The two public school-boys (Clegg and Cameron) have stitched the nation up. The majority voted AGAINST the Conservatives by voting either Lib Dem or Labour and now we're getting a Conservative leader.

Part of me is glad that Labour is going into opposition and the Lib Dems and Conservatives are going to get their hands dirty and possibly cause a double-dip recession but I'm genuinely concerned about the social welfare reforms that Labour put in that do help people (child/working tax credits) because the Conservatives are going to demolish those.

Gordon, you were a better Prime Minister than the right-wing filth that masquerade as the free press would and could ever admit. I think Cameron is going to mess up BIG time - split of the UK, kicked out of the EU and Britain marginalised in the world.
 
Genkina Hito said:
The two public school-boys (Clegg and Cameron) have stitched the nation up. The majority voted AGAINST the Conservatives by voting either Lib Dem or Labour and now we're getting a Conservative leader.
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I'm sorry but, I thought we vote for who we want in, not out? It's not the majority voted against, it's just "the majority" voted for another party. However, "the majority" didn't make their minds up, and the Torries had more votes. I cannot see how it is unfair. Who else should be in power? It's pretty obvious there will be another election soon, so there's no need to cry.


Genkina Hito said:
...possibly cause a double-dip recession...
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I highly doubt this.


Genkina Hito said:
Gordon, you were a better Prime Minister than the right-wing filth that masquerade as the free press would and could ever admit. I think Cameron is going to mess up BIG time - split of the UK, kicked out of the EU and Britain marginalised in the world.
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No he wasn't. We didn't elect him either, we elected Blair. Gordon came in, and we didn't vote for him.

Also, how is Cameron gonna get us "kicked out of the EU"? Do you realize how hard that would be? lol. Frankly, i'm anti-EU, so I hope he does, but they aren't gonna have an angry fit and go "That's it, you're outta the club!", they'll just legislation regulations and directives to control the government.

Sorry if this seems aggressive but, I really can't see where you're coming from here. It feels more like scaremongering.
 
Godot said:
Genkina Hito said:
The two public school-boys (Clegg and Cameron) have stitched the nation up. The majority voted AGAINST the Conservatives by voting either Lib Dem or Labour and now we're getting a Conservative leader.
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I'm sorry but, I thought we vote for who we want in, not out? It's not the majority voted against, it's just "the majority" voted for another party. However, "the majority" didn't make their minds up, and the Torries had more votes. I cannot see how it is unfair. Who else should be in power? It's pretty obvious there will be another election soon, so there's no need to cry.


Genkina Hito said:
...possibly cause a double-dip recession...
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I highly doubt this.


Genkina Hito said:
Gordon, you were a better Prime Minister than the right-wing filth that masquerade as the free press would and could ever admit. I think Cameron is going to mess up BIG time - split of the UK, kicked out of the EU and Britain marginalised in the world.
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No he wasn't. We didn't elect him either, we elected Blair. Gordon came in, and we didn't vote for him.

Also, how is Cameron gonna get us "kicked out of the EU"? Do you realize how hard that would be? lol. Frankly, i'm anti-EU, so I hope he does, but they aren't gonna have an angry fit and go "That's it, you're outta the club!", they'll just legislation regulations and directives to control the government.

Sorry if this seems aggressive but, I really can't see where you're coming from here. It feels more like scaremongering.
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sorry, but as a Politics student, this really bothers me.

YOU vote for a PARTY/LOCAL MP

YOU DO NOT vote for the PM, unless you are in their constituency

so, NO PM is DIRECTLY elected by the nation

THE PM IS THE LEADER OF THE WINNING PARTY/CO-ALLITION, that of course, can and does change.
 
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I'm sorry but, I thought we vote for who we want in, not out? It's not the majority voted against, it's just "the majority" voted for another party. However, "the majority" didn't make their minds up, and the Torries had more votes. I cannot see how it is unfair. Who else should be in power? It's pretty obvious there will be another election soon, so there's no need to cry.
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The Tories would have had their power curtailed without the majority the alliance gives. Two parties with around 60% of the vote run the country because they have made an alliance. I'm sure those of us on the left hope the Lib Dems blunt Tory plans.


Genkina Hito said:
...possibly cause a double-dip recession...
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I highly doubt this.
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The question is how aggressive are the spending cuts? What happens when military equipment purchasing and school-building programs are shelved? All of the ancillary jobs connected to this spending are going to get hit. I generally agree that spending has to be cut and Britain needs to get its public sector finances in shape but we'll probably enter a double-dip recession. Even if Labour were still in power, chances are we would be faced with the same thing.

Genkina Hito said:
Gordon, you were a better Prime Minister than the right-wing filth that masquerade as the free press would and could ever admit. I think Cameron is going to mess up BIG time - split of the UK, kicked out of the EU and Britain marginalised in the world.
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No he wasn't. We didn't elect him either, we elected Blair. Gordon came in, and we didn't vote for him.
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As has been previously mentioned we vote for parties, the Conservatives had Major and... Douglas-Home made Prime minister without a general election I believe. Whenever anybody moans about Gordon being unelected point that out.

As far as Gordon's effectiveness as Prime minister... okay, he wasn't Blair or Thatcher or Churchill but he has been instrumental in Britain's ethical foreign policy, aid policy and climate change policy as well as bank-rolling a lot of positive economic measures (child tax-credits/working tax credits) and has even guided Britain back into growth (a limp 0.1% but still growth) after a recession.

Also, how is Cameron gonna get us "kicked out of the EU"? Do you realize how hard that would be? lol. Frankly, i'm anti-EU, so I hope he does, but they aren't gonna have an angry fit and go "That's it, you're outta the club!", they'll just legislation regulations and directives to control the government.
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Okay, maybe I was exaggerating but he has already marginalised Conservative MEP’s within Europe by leaving a larger group and creating the European Conservative and Reformist Group a group whom Nick Clegg has labelled ‘nutters’ due to their far-right links.

Generally speaking I’m pro-Europe. The days of unilateral action are over. We need Europe now more than ever. In my opinion Britain only has influence insofar as its relative position in Europe. My question to you would be, how would Britain have handled the drama surrounding the arrest of their embassy workers in Iran?

Maybe I am scaremongering but I feel like this alliance is going to fall apart. What none of the parties has addressed is what is beneath the surface - for example, the Tories are generally anti-Europe whilst the Lib Dems are generally pro-Europe. What happens when a European crisis emerges that requires unified action?

Sorry if this seems aggressive but, I really can't see where you're coming from here. It feels more like scaremongering.
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We live in a democracy and this was written in the heat of Gordon's farewell speech so it's cool. To be honest, after the shabby way the media have treated Gordon I was really angry but debate is good.
 
Genkina Hito said:
As far as Gordon's effectiveness as Prime minister... okay, he wasn't Blair or Thatcher...
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And thank f*ck for that. Like we need any more megalomaniacs or narcissists running the country. For all the scaremongering, Cameron doesn't have it in him to be another Thatcher. He can't be anyway, because the public sector has no assets to sell off anymore.

What sort of a person or leader Gordon Brown is or was is largely irrelevant. His job was basically to take Tony Blair's fag-end and try and make the most of it once His Holiness was done. Never likely to succeed, he was New Labour's fall guy, someone to draw a line under and start again. Cameron will have his go with his 'New Tories', Miliband will come along as Blair II and so it will continue. For ever. Until some cataclysmic event puts us out of our misery.

Rabid Labour and Tory supporters do make me laugh. It's 90% driven by the media, who are owned by big business, who are the ones who really influence policy. I'm just baffled as to why they don't form a Con/Lab alliance and more or less rule Britain as a defacto one party state from now on, so small are the differences between the two now both parties have abandoned all of their core principles. Labour and Tories have more in common with each other than either party does with the Lib-Dems.
 
ayase said:
I'm just baffled as to why they don't form a Con/Lab alliance and more or less rule Britain as a defacto one party state from now on, so small are the differences between the two now both parties have abandoned all of their core principles. Labour and Tories have more in common with each other than either party does with the Lib-Dems.
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Because both want absolute power.
 
ayase said:
For all the scaremongering, Cameron doesn't have it in him to be another Thatcher. He can't be anyway, because the public sector has no assets to sell off anymore.
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Touché.
There is much talk of the planned changes to public sector pay, however.
 
ayase said:
Genkina Hito said:
As far as Gordon's effectiveness as Prime minister... okay, he wasn't Blair or Thatcher...
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And thank f*ck for that. Like we need any more megalomaniacs or narcissists running the country. For all the scaremongering, Cameron doesn't have it in him to be another Thatcher. He can't be anyway, because the public sector has no assets to sell off anymore.

Rabid Labour and Tory supporters do make me laugh. It's 90% driven by the media, who are owned by big business, who are the ones who really influence policy. I'm just baffled as to why they don't form a Con/Lab alliance and more or less rule Britain as a defacto one party state from now on, so small are the differences between the two now both parties have abandoned all of their core principles. Labour and Tories have more in common with each other than either party does with the Lib-Dems.
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Of course it is driven by the media which is why partly I supported Gordon Brown (that and I largely agree with Labour more than I did with the others). It was partly a reaction to the support the papers showed the Tories. The media in this country have really crippled the political process and many important debates like immigration and Europe.

Furthermore, I find it horrifying when British political leaders go bowing and scraping to Rupert Murdoch for the support of The Sun and The Times. Just think, British politicians selling themselves to Australian/American businesses run by an Australian. The colonial master in me shudders with shame.

Just watch Bright Young Things and see Dan Aykroyd's Lord Monomark make mince-meat of the toffs.

That said, we wouldn't have Malcolm Tucker without the media.
 
SciFiBoy said:
sorry, but as a Politics student, this really bothers me.

YOU vote for a PARTY/LOCAL MP

YOU DO NOT vote for the PM, unless you are in their constituency

so, NO PM is DIRECTLY elected by the nation

THE PM IS THE LEADER OF THE WINNING PARTY/CO-ALLITION, that of course, can and does change.
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Doesn't take a Politics student to know that. Yes, in a literal sense, we cote for the local MP, however, many don't even know their local MP, but vote because of the party leader.

Why was Tony Blairs charisma and people skills always referred to? Because he persuaded the masses to vote Labour. Also, with the televised debates, less and less are we focusing on the local candidates. It would be ridiculous to assume everyone votes solely on their local MP or the party, because a lot of the time it's the leader who inspires people to vote.

Example; Locally our Labour MP is pretty much hated, he's just graduated from Uni and people all feel he lacks experience. He still got votes though - Why? Cause people like Brown, not him. (Yes, one or two may like him, but the majority don't even know his name locally. It's always Liberals around here).

So yeah - literally you don't vote the PM, however, most people cast their vote based on what the party leader has to say - The PM.
 
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