"How should I vote?"

Wow wasn't expecting this like.

Lib Dems 56%
Conservatives 53% (this has got to be wrong, i hate them with a passion and want them all to disappear along with UKIP and the BNP)
Labour 48%
Green Party 29%

For the record i was going to vote Labour but now i'm thinking of Lib Dems...
 
Godot said:
...the Lib Dems would rather let unelected bureaucrats make decisions [aka the EU] :p
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I'm of the opinion that for the most part, people in most countries of mainland Europe have more rights and personal freedom than we do here in the UK, so bring on the EU. Let the unelected bureaucrats handle the big stuff if (unlike our government) they intend to leave the minutiae of people's lives alone. The EU consistently seems to condemn and strike down laws which infringe on people's privacy and human rights while the UK just seems to keep passing more. (1) (2) (3)

Even without the better weather on the continent, I know where I'd rather be...
 
Seriously, I doubt it. Outrageous banter about your favorite anime show? People know it's in jest. Claims that your core beliefs are somehow "wrong"? Even the calmest people I've ever met can take something like that to heart. Political and religious discussion never goes anywhere good, which is why it's not even allowed on some forums.
 
Who said anyone was wrong? People need to toughen up, start thinking like John Prescott and everything will be okay. Besides, I'm sure Godot enjoys these little exchanges and I haven't even taken issue with posh boy Cameron... yet. :p
 
hahaha, okay so i look like the racist. :roll:


British National Party: 66%
UK Independence Party: 60%
Conservative Party: 41%
Liberal Democrats: 32%
Labour Party: 22%
 
UK Independence Party: 54%
British National Party: 53%
Green Party: 40%
Liberal Democrats: 35%
Labour Party: 33%
Conservative Party: 24%

Just so happens I am voting UKIP [=
 
If I could vote, apparently the green party would get my vote.

Green Party:58%
Liberal Democrats:44%
British National Party:42%
Labour Party:37%
UK Independence Party:30%
Conservative Party:27%

Funnily enough, BNP appeared like my thirdd choice =S
 
UK Independence Party: 65%
British National Party: 64%
Conservative Party: 46%
Labour Party: 46%
Liberal Democrats: 41%
Green Party: 31%

Not voting Labour or Green Party.
 
ayase said:
I'm of the opinion that for the most part, people in most countries of mainland Europe have more rights and personal freedom than we do here in the UK, so bring on the EU. Let the unelected bureaucrats handle the big stuff if (unlike our government) they intend to leave the minutiae of people's lives alone. The EU consistently seems to condemn and strike down laws which infringe on people's privacy and human rights while the UK just seems to keep passing more. (1) (2) (3)

Even without the better weather on the continent, I know where I'd rather be...
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If this isn't enough to put you off of the EU, then what is?

Well maybe some raw figures would be better for you. We put £16.8bn in to the EU a year. We recieve a total of £9bn back off of the EU. That's a net loss of £7.8bn in cash we lose a year. Next year due to an agreement Tony Blair signed, we will in fact make a net loss of around £10bn.

Now, that's just in cash. The EU actually costs us £120bn(!) a year. This is due to thier Fishery policy, extra food costs due to tariff barriers and ridiculous safety regulations. By withdrawing from the EU the Government would save £120bn to tackle the huge deficit we've built up of £788bn.

To clarify that for you more clearly, the £10bn cash we'll lose next year to the EU could pay the wages for 2125 nurses for a year.

Most of this can be sourced from the TaxPayers Alliance, for the record.

Also, a side note relating to the Tariff barriers. Just in case you didn't know, what the EU does is buy food (like Bananas for example) from third world countries, and then charge us more than what was paid for them. The extra charges go into the EU's pocket.

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Look at the demand line there. As you can see (although it's pretty obvious) the higher the price, the lower the demand. In other words, when price is high, quantity sold is low. Now consider that third world countries food is being sold at a higher price than it's sold. Less people buy those sorts of food. What does that lead to? Third world Countries struggling to sell their food! The EU are taking advantage of third world countries to line their own pockets. And to add insult to injury, these people are entirely unelected.

Don't believe that if we left the EU we'd lose trade negotiations, or have worries of war either. No wars ever occur between two democracies, and the majority of Europe is a democracy.

Also on the trade note; Businesses are set up to line their owners pockets. The UK has a lot of wealth, businesses will still sell to us. The little bit more we'll have to pay on important taxes won't be noticed when you realize how much cheaper our food will be.

I hope that clears a few of my reasons for disliking the EU up, Ayase.



BlackWolf said:
For the record i was going to vote Labour but now i'm thinking of Lib Dems...
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Naw go Labour lol.
 
Results on my vote score (%):
Lib dems = 59
UKIP = 59
Concerv = 58
BNP = 55
Labour = 50
Green = 38

Wow, I fit more into BNP than I do in Labour... I know I'm anti-Brown and such, but I thought I hate racists more. :p
But yes, my results are strengthening my predictions on how I should vote. I think I'll look more into the Lib Dems and UKIP, just to clarify which is better for me.
Tachi- said:
hahaha, okay so i look like the racist. :roll:


British National Party: 66%
UK Independence Party: 60%
Conservative Party: 41%
Liberal Democrats: 32%
Labour Party: 22%
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Nah, to me it says you're self-sufficient, loyal to the kingdom, and a frugal entreperneur. (Or a selfish, greedy slave master, like Britania. I like the more positive spin.) :D
 
Funny how people whine about unelected people telling them what they can't do, but when an unelected person tells them they can do something its all happy days.
 
Project-2501 said:
Funny how people whine about unelected people telling them what they can't do, but when an unelected person tells them they can do something its all happy days.
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If that comment is directed at me, i'd like to know when i've ever praised the EU?

I openly oppose it on basically every level.
 
No, someone else.

Unelected BBFC are bad cos they censor (not that they do)
Unelected Eurps are good cos they over-rule our government

Suposedly.
 
tonights debate:

Clegg seemed nervous but has the best policies of the three.
Cameron was his usual annoying smarmy self and his policies are far and away the worst of the three
Brown handled himself well imo, and made some good criticism of the torys.

and im almost certainly voting Green, none of the main three are talking the language and policys I want to hear.
 
Project-2501 said:
No, someone else.

Unelected BBFC are bad cos they censor (not that they do)
Unelected Eurps are good cos they over-rule our government

Suposedly.
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Yes, because despite Godot's reasonable arguments I still think the British government is worse than the European government. The deficit doesn't really affect me. I can afford food. And if they're spying on me too that just makes them as bad as our government in that department, no worse. Frankly, I care not one jot who is in power or how they get there, as long as they agree with me. I'd be totally up for dictatorship by some random guy from Sudan whose office is in Gdańsk if his ideas were the same as mine. That's what everyone wants - The world run according to their own ideals. The only way we can actually ever do that is to have no government at all.
 
I was thinking Lib Dem but even though I support a lot of what they say there are two major things I don't. As with Godot I don't support their desire to be part of the EU in its current form. I think the EU should be joint European countries involved in trading, sharing cost of large research and scientific pursuits. I like that we can walk into any EU country and get a job there just as an EU member can do here. I would even support a military joint defence agreement between us. However I don't like that the EU laws according to Lisbon treaty can over rule ours. I don't like it when they interfere with how our country should be run (which they do all the time and in ways that directly effect the general individual) and I don't want to be part of the Euro which the Lib Dems support. That would mean being under the European Central Bank and joining our economy closely with other EU countries.

The second major issue I have against voting Lib Dem is that I support the Trident missile system and they want to scrap it. It is all very well us wanting a world without such weapons but unfortunately most of the world does not work that way. If a terrorist country managed a way to launch such a weapon knowing they would have no repercussions except sanctions then they would launch without hesitation. Additionally countries such as Iran and North Korea may possibly think the same way. It is not the developed countries that are a danger and I include china and Russia in the developed category.

I don't like the conservatives. There financial backing for this election is more than Labour and the Lib Dems combined due to the backing being the very rich and corporate business. Trust nothing they say as they will only end up supporting their sponsors.

I don't like Labour, especially after Browns slip up, calling that woman a Bigot after being so pleasant and kind with her during the interview. It just shows he's two faced and you cannot trust anything he says. That's true for all politicians who have made it that high up though as that is the only way you can make it that high up now.

So where do I go from here. I'm going to look in to Labours policies a little deeper I think.
 
On the trident issue, let's say Iran builds a nuclear bomb. Are they going to use it straight away, and in doing so surely cause their own destruction? No. They want a bomb because they don't want their perceived enemies to be able to carry out attacks on them with impunity (y'know, like what happened to Iraq - They've realised the sure-fire way to not be invaded is to actually posses WMDs). Nobody except the most insane and competent terrorist (the two don't generally go together) would be willing and able to use a nuclear bomb first without reason for doing so, and I don't know how Trident would help us in such a case. Other nations are only going to want to nuke us if we give them a reason and there's a simple answer to that; don't.

Asdrubael said:
I don't like Labour, especially after Browns slip up, calling that woman a Bigot after being so pleasant and kind with her during the interview. It just shows he's two faced and you cannot trust anything he says. That's true for all politicians who have made it that high up though as that is the only way you can make it that high up now.
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I'd go further and say that it's true of everyone unless they're honest all the time. Despite claims to the contrary, nobody likes people who are honest all the time.
 
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