Homophobia: Acceptable or just plain Childish?

[Ammish]

Well... Since people have strong views on it and such... I like to bring this up.

Homophobia...

Now this is one thing that really get on my nerves. I don't even want to call it a 'proper' fear, but rather a one-sided opinion of a person (Men's) mind. Kids are Kids... just immature, saying stuff like that because at the end of the day, Kids are cruel gremlins.

But it's appaling to see the opinion of Teenagers and Adults. Like example... (I hear this a lot)

"Err... I won't go near gays. They might rape you and stuff"

Now that's just plain idiotic. The percentage of a Man with a Homosexual sexuality raping a man is just as likely (if probably even less likely) than a Man raping a woman. Yet I don't see woman going...

"Eww...I won't go near a man. They might rape you and stuff"

And even then... I've had a friend who is Bi-sexual and he liked me (in more than a friend way). What I did? I told him I don't swing that way, but I'm completely honoured you like me.

Why? Because I see it more as a compliment.

But why am I bothered? It's suffering it day in and out with my brothers and sister... They keep using gay as a form of insult. And everytime I hear 'gay' being used as a form of insult, I cringe. It shouldn't bother a hetrosexual person like me, but it does sometimes.

Meh... I guess I had to rant there... Oh one more thing...

Being gay doesn't mean you have 'more chance' of getting H.I.V (if you use a condom). It's just disease that pass through more easily in Anal Sex.

So discuss...

 

[Ryo Chan]

Just like being homosexual, being homophobic is a choice.

Personally i see no reason why Gays and Gay supporters should inforce thier views on them, just like homophoics shoudln't do the same.

Not that that's going to happen anyway

 

[Dracos]

I think homophobia is just plain wrong. Why should anyone be singled out to be treated any differently just because of their sexuality, when sexuality should be such a small part of what someone is.

 

[Will-O'-The-Wisp]

Hmm, I predict more Gay/anti-Gay clashes >_<. But yeah, I think Homophobia is a laaame excuse for not accepting Gay couples when they make it sound like a disease (The homophobia thing, that is). A majority of my friends are gay and they're great. Hell, with the exception of one, I've gotten along with gay people swimmingly.

 

[Ramadahl]

I figure if someone's saying something homophobic they're either trying to make a joke, in which case it could be funny, or they're an idiot, in which case it's definitely funny.

 

[chaos]

read this today... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0807 ... gay_driver

 

[awadama]

Do we really need another gay thread?

A great way to separate the gays from the straights is to spend weeks discussing how they should be (but aren't!) equal!

If people have the freedom to be gay, other people have the freedom not to like it...right?

 

[Ryo Chan]

Do we really need another gay thread?

A great way to separate the gays from the straights is to spend weeks discussing how they should be (but aren't!) equal!

If people have the freedom to be gay, other people have the freedom not to like it...right?

atleast someone understood what i said

Equality works both ways

 

[Kurogane]

People are scared or just confused of the abnormal.

No big mystery here folks.

And before some asshole chimes in saying being homosexual isn't abnormal, and who are we to judge what is normal- yadda yadda piss **** balls; it is. No arguments.

 

[cardybean]

Define normal, enough people are gay to make it normal.

However, I do understand and agree with your point of view to a certain degree. That's not saying I'm support homophobia, or hate gay people, it's saying if I was a homophobe a valid point of mine would be 'it's not natural'. Because it's partially correct, a bit ignorant though.

 

[CitizenGeek]

Gah, some choice, cringe-worthy ignorance in this thread :/

Just like being homosexual, being homophobic is a choice.

Are you serious? You think it's a choice? So, you could just decide tomorrow that you want to fall in love with men, have sex only with men etc.? Well, if you could, you're bisexual and are imposing your own orientation on everyone else. For most people, being gay or straight is not a choice and every single gay (or straight person) person will tell you that. But, if you don't believe every single gay person, you should at least believe the experts who've studied homosexuality and confirm that it is, indeed, not a choice at all.

If people have the freedom to be gay, other people have the freedom not to like it...right?

But that's just using the ol' "being gay is a choice, shut up and deal with it" nonsense. Being gay is not a choice, not at all. If it was, do you really think 3 - 5% of all populations would choose a life where they have to endure such horrific ignorance and prejudice even in liberal countries like the UK and France? Why would an Iranian choose to be gay and face the risk of being put to death? If you just think about it, it's so obvious it's not a choice.

And so, if I applied your logic to black people, it'd go something like this:
"If people are free to be black, then surely we all have the freedom not to like it".

I know lots of people don't want to believe that it's not a choice, because that makes it harder for these people to justify their nasty attitudes, but that's just the way it is.

Equality works both ways

You don't know what you're talking about.

And before some asshole chimes in saying being homosexual isn't abnormal, and who are we to judge what is normal- yadda yadda piss **** balls; it is. No arguments.

I get your point, but "abnormal" is the wrong word entirely. Homosexuality has existed for as long as heterosexuality, is observed is all kinds of animals and gay people are in every country and in every population. It is normal, sorry.

 

[Kurogane]

Gah, some choice, cringe-worthy ignorance in this thread :/

Just like being homosexual, being homophobic is a choice.

Are you serious? You think it's a choice? So, you could just decide tomorrow that you want to fall in love with men, have sex only with men etc.? Well, if you could, you're bisexual and are imposing your own orientation on everyone else. For most people, being gay or straight is not a choice and every single gay (or straight person) person will tell you that. But, if you don't believe every single gay person, you should at least believe the experts who've studied homosexuality and confirm that it is, indeed, not a choice at all.

If people have the freedom to be gay, other people have the freedom not to like it...right?

But that's just using the ol' "being gay is a choice, shut up and deal with it" nonsense. Being gay is not a choice, not at all. If it was, do you really think 3 - 5% of all populations would choose a life where they have to endure such horrific ignorance and prejudice even in liberal countries like the UK and France? Why would an Iranian choose to be gay and face the risk of being put to death? If you just think about it, it's so obvious it's not a choice.

And so, if I applied your logic to black people, it'd go something like this:
"If people are free to be black, then surely we all have the freedom not to like it".

I know lots of people don't want to believe that it's not a choice, because that makes it harder for these people to justify their nasty attitudes, but that's just the way it is.

Equality works both ways

You don't know what you're talking about.

And before some asshole chimes in saying being homosexual isn't abnormal, and who are we to judge what is normal- yadda yadda piss **** balls; it is. No arguments.

I get your point, but "abnormal" is the wrong word entirely. Homosexuality has existed for as long as heterosexuality, is observed is all kinds of animals and gay people are in every country and in every population. It is normal, sorry.

That's akin to saying that 'Oh, because harlequin children are born once every, 800,000 births, that means it's totally normal'. **** happens dude.

Obviously, I'm exaggerating here, but homosexuality doesn't exist as much as heterosexuality does- ergo, it is a lesser (I want to say choice?), than being straight.

Plus there's the whole matter of the inability to reproduce due to sexual lifestyle, which if being this way was as common as heterosexual *******, would make the human race dwindle in figures faster than you can say 'Don Zimmer is a fat, useless ****'.

 

[Tachi]

:lol: ANOTHER GAY THREAD?

In support of Ryo Chan's post :thumb:

anywho,

Isn't ironic that in the animal kingdom male dogs not only fight to prove dominance but have anal sex with one another for dominance. in their ways of life it proves your the top dog and everyone's your bitch, when in the human world people have the view that Gays are weak and below hetrosexual standard.

My personal view is "if two guys/girls want to have a relationship and do their thang" then i haven't got a problem, but i ask 2 things in return;

1 they shouldn't do anything you wouldn't see normally, (a couple walking down the street hand in hand is okay, and kissing is fine, but don't go OTT)

2 Don't try to convert people and dont parade around like "im the only gay in the villaaaage" its not called for.


Attack on preachers: (don't read if you don't want to, i was just letting off steam)
There's a group in this country i hate with a passion, they are the "do gooders" the people you hear complaining that other people "deserve aylum, we should provide for them, its our duty to provide aid to other countries" i hate them, their so suck up to everyone they ruin countries.
their the bastards that get a load of immigrants into this country, there's a rule that if your fleeing from a war torn country and seeking asylum, you must claim asylum in the next country you step foot in, but they don't, they travel from country to counrty until they get to england and them claim asylum, these do gooder jerks then preach that we should provide refuge for them, its wrong

 

[CitizenGeek]

That's akin to saying that 'Oh, because harlequin children are born once every, 800,000 births, that means it's totally normal'. **** happens dude.

I have no idea what harlequin children are, but I'll assume it's some kind of defect. In which case, a biological defect and homosexuality are two different things.

If you want to use words like "abnormal", then you're going to have to do a better job of explaining it. Gay-ness is everywhere: in every country, in the animal kingdom, in insects. Almost everyone in the Western world knows a gay person, gay people are on TV, on the radio, the internet, in movies, writing in newspapers, serving in governments etc. How, then, could it possibly be abnormal? Just because a minority of people have it as their orientation? In that case, are blue eyes "abnormal", what about blond hair?

Obviously, I'm exaggerating here, but homosexuality doesn't exist as much as heterosexuality does- ergo, it is a lesser (I want to say choice?), than being straight.

That doesn't make sense. Of course homosexuality occurs less frequently that heterosexuality; otherwise we wouldn't have 6 billion people destroying this planet of ours. By "lesser", do you mean 'inferior'?

As for the choice thing: If gay people 'choose' to be gay, then do straight people choose to be straight? It can't just work one way.

 

[Ammish]

1 they shouldn't do anything you wouldn't see normally, (a couple walking down the street hand in hand is okay, and kissing is fine, but don't go OTT)

It's not like anyone go beyond a hug, kiss or holding hands, hetrosexual or homosexual.

2 Don't try to convert people and dont parade around like "im the only gay in the villaaaage" its not called for.

Okay... Stop using Little Britain as a example... NOW. And also... I never ever once heard a gay say that.

read this today... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0807 ... gay_driver

Now that guy is a complete moron... Sure.. he's gay. But he is making others look bad and use that as an advanatage to make his life easier. Being gay isn't psychologically disturbing, it's just a path of direction that the person feels they had to take.

Do we really need another gay thread?

A great way to separate the gays from the straights is to spend weeks discussing how they should be (but aren't!) equal!

If people have the freedom to be gay, other people have the freedom not to like it...right?

atleast someone understood what i said

Equality works both ways

There's a difference between disliking them and discriminating them by heralding their horrible and idiotic opinions towards them.

I'm not completely bothered if someone doesn't like gays, as long as they keep their opinions to themselves. Now if someone rant out their opinions, which is clearly idiotic, not true, etc... then that's where they need to be shot (figure of speech)

 

[Tachi]

Chrono Mizaki...."Now if someone rant out their opinions, which is clearly idiotic, not true, etc... then that's where they need to be shot (figure of speech)" erm if your referring to my rant earlier i have nothing to say except, shut up do gooder because my work deals with that shite day in day out so i know what im talking about.
if that wasn't in referrence to my rant then the above sentence doesn't apply.

Tachi- wrote:
2 Don't try to convert people and dont parade around like "im the only gay in the villaaaage" its not called for.


"Okay... Stop using Little Britain as a example... NOW. And also... I never ever once heard a gay say that."

I said parading around, its a mannerism, not what they actually say.

I haven't got a problem with gays, like i said, so long as they don't do anything in public that you wouldn't expect from a straight couple then alls well.

And others should NOT impose their beliefs/way of life on others.

 

[Ammish]

Tachi... I'm sorry to say this, but your post is clearly confusing. I can't tell who is quoting who D= (we do have quote buttons)

After reading it... (and thorough transalation)

erm if your referring to my rant earlier i have nothing to say except, shut up do gooder because my work deals with that shite day in day out so i know what im talking about.
if that wasn't in referrence to my rant then the above sentence doesn't apply.

I was reffering to Ryo Chans and Aaron's post. The rant you made on immigrants and assylums is basically a different subject, hence I'd ignored it.

I said parading around, its a mannerism, not what they actually say.

Still... I haven't seen a homosexual person do that... AT ALL. But hey... I live in Bradistan (Bradford)

I haven't got a problem with gays, like i said, so long as they don't do anything in public that you wouldn't expect from a straight couple then alls well.

But have you seen a couple who goes beyond a hug, kiss and holding hands in public. I don't... as it's usually behind close doors. Unless off course you're reffering to a sex house where couples go haywire. Again... this is going onto a totally different subject, so let's leave it

And others should NOT impose their beliefs/way of life on others.

Its not like they impose anyway. They rather 'defend' themselves

 

[Tachi]

Okay, sorry i didn't qoute, but was in a rush as my boss was round the corner.

And others should NOT impose their beliefs/way of life on others.


Its not like they impose anyway. They rather 'defend' themselves

i was talking about the ones that try to convert straight people to gays,

 

[Voddas]

Phobias are nothing to laugh at. Some people are homophobic because they can't admit they're gay themselves, others actually have a mental problem with it whislt the rest are just pricks.
Dunno why I stated the obviouse there, just felt like adding to the thread.

 

[Rui]

I've never seen homosexuals rubbing it in my face either. I have seen some pretty indecent stuff from heterosexuals (it figures - there are more of us and we're in less danger of being beaten up for falling in love after all), but let's be clear about this - what that problem is relates to indecent people, not homosexuals as such. Just because you kiss another bloke goodnight instead of a girl (or blowup doll...) doesn't predispose you to running around half naked feeling other guys up on the bus.

Most of the meat of this topic was already covered in the older threads I think but just take me as repeating what was said about blondes being less common than brunettes not making blondes an automatic legitimate target for bullying... Or how about we pick on infertile (or voluntarily barren) people too as being unnatural? I'm sure that would go down well with society.

There will always be people afraid of it, like there are daft kids afraid of the other sex when growing up who bully girls for being girls or boys for being boys. The important thing is to remember that making other people feel miserable just because you fail at coping with people being different is not cool, so keep it to yourself and work through it.

R