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memorium

Za Warudo
I don't really have an opinion on Scottish independence either, I don't see how it can benefit them, but I don't see how it can be detrimental either. I do have relatives up in Scotland, and they say that they're going to move back down to England if the whole thing goes through though.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Funny, I wouldn't particularly want to see Britain split up (though it's not my decision, that's for the Scots, self determination and all that) but if it did I think I'd be more incline to move TO Scotland. Seems like their parliament at least gives a bit of a **** about people. Also England would probably be stuck with Tory rule, forever.
 

britguy

Za Warudo
ayase said:
Funny, I wouldn't particularly want to see Britain split up (though it's not my decision, that's for the Scots, self determination and all that) but if it did I think I'd be more incline to move TO Scotland. Seems like their parliament at least gives a bit of a **** about people. Also England would probably be stuck with Tory rule, forever.


The politicians are just saying what they think the people want to hear, I very much doubt they're any different to English MPs or Parliament.
 

-Danielle-

Death Scythe
Yeah I don't think Salmonds going to do anything he's saying to the Scottish people to get their vote. It's all empty words and there's not going to be any improvement in health, jobs, benefits, less immigrants etc if they split. Won't get better, won't get worse either....I don't think?

As said by Memorium, I'm not sure how leaving or staying would benefit either way. I'd like them to stay though. It'd be weird that they wouldnt call themselves British and that if they vote Yes and succeed.
 

britguy

Za Warudo
-Danielle- said:
Yeah I don't think Salmonds going to do anything he's saying to the Scottish people to get their vote. It's all empty words and there's not going to be any improvement in health, jobs, benefits, less immigrants etc if they split. Won't get better, won't get worse either....I don't think?

As said by Memorium, I'm not sure how leaving or staying would benefit either way. I'd like them to stay though. It'd be weird that they wouldnt call themselves British and that if they vote Yes and succeed.

The maina reas they think they'll be able to benefit from is by setting their own taxes, planning their own spending with regards to health, military, social etc etc. Salmond is claiming somehow that public spending will go up, but taxes will go down. He has yet to explain how this works, unless he is some sort of alchemist who can create something from nothing.

My concern is primarily on our economy. We have only just started to claw our way out of the last trouble it had, and if Scotland votes yes then potentially we could see the economy hit pretty hard. If the value of the £ drops then our buying power internationally decreases, so importing products would be much more expensive. I'm not talking about a Blu-Ray or a game, i'm talking about things like electricity, gas, food....importing these things would cost more, so as such we'd see increases in our bills and in our shops.

On the flip side, the value of our manufactured goods would be cheaper for people outside the UK due to the lower pound. There are many scenarios that this could create:

1) weaker pound means our products made from 100% british materials are cheaper for people outside the UK so exports increase and potentially balances out the pound weakness with regards to income for companies.

2) weaker pound means bringing in production materials from outside the UK is more expensive. This means that products made in the UK with outside goods would have to see their sale prices increased due to additional costs for the manufacturer. This could then lead to customers being alienated by the increase in costs from the manufacturers and going elsewhere.

3) weaker pound with no increase in exports see's a sizeable hit in terms of income for many companies who rely on export. This would then lead to job losses due to insufficient finances to keep operations going as they were beforehand.

It's quite a scary time imo. I hope if Scotland do get what they want that we aren't affected too adverseley.
 

mangaman74

Akatsuki
I don't see any of the benefits for the Scots that Salmon has been saying. In terms of the NHS, the Scots decide on how it is run already so if it is doing badly then it is their fault not ours (they already get benefits like free prescriptions :evil: ). They cannot say what the alternative is to the currency if we don't let them use the pound (they Euro is not an option since they would have to apply for membership first and there is no guarantee they will be allowed in since countries like Spain might prefer them not to be allowed in to lessen the risk of parts of their own countries seeking independence).
 

britguy

Za Warudo
Just FYI, Scotland could still keep the pound even without permission.

This would be done via an Informal Currency Union. However, many think that if this were to occur that Scotland would not be able to join the EU as they look down on countries that operate informal agreements and also they would have no central bank of their own.
 

mangaman74

Akatsuki
Yes Scotland could have an informal currency union using the pound but they would have no control over monetary policy (they would not be able to issue new money for instance).
 

Professor Irony

CYBER FUNKER
Moderator
britguy said:
I hope if Scotland do get what they want that we aren't affected too adverseley.

You mean if the yes voters get what they want. I'm sure it was just poor choice of words, but that does make it sound as if the country is of one mind.
 

britguy

Za Warudo
Professor Irony said:
britguy said:
I hope if Scotland do get what they want that we aren't affected too adverseley.

You mean if the yes voters get what they want. I'm sure it was just poor choice of words, but that does make it sound as if the country is of one mind.

Yes. Juggling work and posting. Simple mistake and Clearly you knew what I meant. I'm not stupid so please don't try and make me out to be ;)
 

britguy

Za Warudo
Ah sorry didn't even realise you were Scottish then! I'd have to wager that there are people in Scotland with no real idea what a yes vote could do to either country.

Do you find there are people who plan to vote Yes just because "I hate the English" etc
 

Professor Irony

CYBER FUNKER
Moderator
I wouldn't like to point any specific fingers, but yeah, I do feel like anti-English sentiment feeds into the matter in quite a significant way, especially against English Conservatives. It's certainly not the only factor, but I think it's hardly a coincidence that Salmond would hold the referendum while an unpopular Tory government sits in Westminster.
 

mangaman74

Akatsuki
Considering that Labour often does well in Scotland, they don't seem to have helped swing the vote in favour of staying together (especially since any Scottish MPs should lose their job if the Yes vote wins as they would no longer be needed).
 

Animefreak17

Godhand
britguy said:
Ah sorry didn't even realise you were Scottish then! I'd have to wager that there are people in Scotland with no real idea what a yes vote could do to either country.

Do you find there are people who plan to vote Yes just because "I hate the English" etc

I bet the majority did it just because of that
 

ayase

State Alchemist
britguy said:
ayase said:
Funny, I wouldn't particularly want to see Britain split up (though it's not my decision, that's for the Scots, self determination and all that) but if it did I think I'd be more incline to move TO Scotland. Seems like their parliament at least gives a bit of a **** about people. Also England would probably be stuck with Tory rule, forever.
The politicians are just saying what they think the people want to hear, I very much doubt they're any different to English MPs or Parliament.
Well, they have lower university tuition charges and as someone else mentioned, free prescriptions. They also don't want to blow millions on dumb **** like nuclear missiles in an era where the only real international threat to comes from terrorism, not other nations. You can't exactly nuke people who hide amongst the ordinary population unless you're the Israeli government.
 
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mangaman74

Akatsuki
ayase said:
britguy said:
ayase said:
Funny, I wouldn't particularly want to see Britain split up (though it's not my decision, that's for the Scots, self determination and all that) but if it did I think I'd be more incline to move TO Scotland. Seems like their parliament at least gives a bit of a **** about people. Also England would probably be stuck with Tory rule, forever.
The politicians are just saying what they think the people want to hear, I very much doubt they're any different to English MPs or Parliament.
Well, they have lower university tuition charges and as someone else mentioned, free prescriptions.
That was me. I suffer with asthma so I have to pay for new inhalers every few months. I recently had to pay for 2 prescriptions since the two types of inhaler I use are counted as separate even though they are listed on the same sheet ie £8.05x2 (the Ventolin inhaler is one that I don't use much but is needed in case I have an actual asthma attack and the ones I had passed their expiry date recently meaning I had to buy fresh ones).
 

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