General News/Current Affairs Thread

Y-San

Shinki
vashdaman said:
oof, what a depressing result for England. What baffles me is why most of the Lib Dem seats went to the Torys. They felt betrayed by Clegg and so voted for Cameron :s
Anyway this country will now get 5 years of ****, and we voted for it, part of me almost hopes the conservatives get as evil as possible and really give us what we want and deserve.

One thing that is clear out of all is that we need a change in the voting system. It might mean more power to Ukip in the short term, which is pretty ******, but really if they get the votes they deserve it.

Was pretty gratifying to see the Lib Dems get completely crushed though. Clegg enabled the Conservatives to get the power they now have.
I was pretty disappointed that Clegg managed to keep his seat, especially after Ed Balls lost his. I know who I'd rather have in Westminster. It's perhaps unfair to attribute the blame entirely to Lib Dems when they could have easily been overruled on key policies like political reform by Labour and the Conservatives but I definitely don't feel like they made their voice heard enough, they don't necessarily have to act a thorn in Cameron's side for the sake of it but could have at least been seen to challenge policies that were against their core values.

I notice that some people are pretty upset about the increase in SNP seats with only 1.4m votes compared to UKIP (about 4m) and Greens (1m), both of who only have one seat apiece. Worth noting -If I'm not mistaken - the SNP are actually pro-electoral reform, they'd rather an alternative voting system as well. The blame for a lack of representation should probably be cast at the two major parties who campaigned against electoral reform in 2011. They wanted to ensure that they retained power not matter what - because that couldn't possibly backfire - and now we're stuck with an antiquated voting system.
 

black1blade

Thousand Master
Well things are just going to get harder for people in poorer families like myself. I'm still going to university but if under 25s don't get housing benefit then I better get a secure job once I leave uni or I'm screwed and will have to go back home which I don't think I will want to do.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
vashdaman said:
Anyway this country will now get 5 years of ****, and we voted for it, part of me almost hopes the conservatives get as evil as possible and really give us what we want and deserve.
We had that already vash, it was called Thatcherism and people still kept voting for them. They can't keep going forever though, what will they do when they run out of things to privatise?

In one of the happier results to come out of this election, I don't think you need worry about the BNP any more Rui. They're apparently down from half a million in 2010 to 1,667 votes in the entire country, around half as many as the Monster Raving Loony Party.
 

britguy

Za Warudo
black1blade said:
Well things are just going to get harder for people in poorer families like myself. I'm still going to university but if under 25s don't get housing benefit then I better get a secure job once I leave uni or I'm screwed and will have to go back home which I don't think I will want to do.
Move back home anyway and start saving for a mortgage deposit instead of paying rent! I was never applicable for any housing benefits when I wanted to move out (apparently), even when earning very little and coming from a low income background hence why it took me longer to move out (had to wait until I was earning enough!)
 
britguy said:
black1blade said:
Well things are just going to get harder for people in poorer families like myself. I'm still going to university but if under 25s don't get housing benefit then I better get a secure job once I leave uni or I'm screwed and will have to go back home which I don't think I will want to do.
Move back home anyway and start saving for a mortgage deposit instead of paying rent! I was never applicable for any housing benefits when I wanted to move out (apparently), even when earning very little and coming from a low income background hence why it took me longer to move out (had to wait until I was earning enough!)
What happens if these under-21's who are looking for a place are kicked out by their family and have no one else to turn to? No housing benefit and no job? Thanks to the Tories, they will be literally on the streets, homeless.

The government wants to push more people into Uni or employment. Sadly not enough jobs or uni places for everybody. Society is turning into a US state system. I expect homeless and food bank levels to rise drastically.

In addition, The Department of Work and Pensions have released a document outlining that those on disability benefits will now not have any help on a work access scheme. Tories leaving the most vulnerable to rot as usual. :(
 

ilmaestro

State Alchemist
Rui said:
I'm mostly just happy that UKIP ended up doing far worse than the insane media bias towards them implied.
I don't follow "media" for the reasons implied in your sentence, but how well were they expected to do? A lot more than four million votes?
 

Y-San

Shinki
ilmaestro said:
Rui said:
I'm mostly just happy that UKIP ended up doing far worse than the insane media bias towards them implied.
I don't follow "media" for the reasons implied in your sentence, but how well were they expected to do? A lot more than four million votes?
I think at their height, they were expected to take a meager 14 seats or so, even though it would have given them about 17% of the vote (based on last night's figures, about five million seats). Proportional representation would have given them somewhere in the 90s though, with Labour at 183ish and Con at 240 or there about, SNP in the 30s, Lib in the 50s and Greens in the 20s. Which likely would have resulted in a left wing coalition instead of CON majority.

Nice to see that the Snooper's Charter is back on the table though. I was worried for a minute that we'd end up living in a society like the one envisaged in 'Brave new world".
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Lawrence said:
based on last night's figures, about five million seats
Bloody hell, I knew there were going to be boundary changes but that's a bit of an excessive expansion of the House of Commons.

Still, I'll give the Tories this, that'll be unemployment wiped out in one fell swoop.
 

ilmaestro

State Alchemist
Presumably some of those are seats on the Galactic Council.

More seriously, I still think four million votes is a number that shouldn't be ignored or brushed off just because it's lower than some fictional number that was printed in a newspaper in the build up to the election.
 

britguy

Za Warudo
neptune2venus said:
britguy said:
black1blade said:
Well things are just going to get harder for people in poorer families like myself. I'm still going to university but if under 25s don't get housing benefit then I better get a secure job once I leave uni or I'm screwed and will have to go back home which I don't think I will want to do.
Move back home anyway and start saving for a mortgage deposit instead of paying rent! I was never applicable for any housing benefits when I wanted to move out (apparently), even when earning very little and coming from a low income background hence why it took me longer to move out (had to wait until I was earning enough!)
What happens if these under-21's who are looking for a place are kicked out by their family and have no one else to turn to? No housing benefit and no job? Thanks to the Tories, they will be literally on the streets, homeless(
**** knows what they'd do but tbf I wasn't trying to make some blanket statement I was just talking to him about his situation which isn't as you described.
 

black1blade

Thousand Master
Honestly I really don't want a mortgage and I think it would be much better if this country was similar to Europe with tenant rights ect. They should do proportional representation even if it means UKIP getting more seats.
 

st_owly (witch)

Time-Traveller
What's impossible to take into account is that if we had PR, people would have voted differently because they wouldn't have had to feel they were voting to keep someone out/get the least worst one in etc rather than actually voting for the one they wanted. So it's likely the result would have been very different because of that too. I'd rather have PR and UKIP getting more seats, because so will other minority parties and I think it's important that minorities have a voice, even if you think everything they have to say is garbage.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
ilmaestro said:
More seriously, I still think four million votes is a number that shouldn't be ignored or brushed off just because it's lower than some fictional number that was printed in a newspaper in the build up to the election.
Is the fact the electorate votes in decreasing numbers as you move further to the extremes and increasing numbers as you move further towards the centre really that unexpected? UKIP are more extreme than the Tories and less extreme than the BNP, so it makes perfect sense their vote would fall somewhere between the two. UKIP simply noticed a gap in the political spectrum there was demand for and filled it.

You're always going to have a certain number of people who subscribe to these views (the somewhat reformed or at least less blatantly racist FN in France poll similar percentages to UKIP) and there's not really much you can do about it. To be honest I'm more surprised and dismayed by the fact 36.8% were convinced the Tories were the way to go than that 12.6% voted UKIP, because some of them are probably reasonable people.

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I thought it might be fun/divisive/depressing to look at what might have happened if we had regional parliaments in England. Apologies if any of the figures are wrong, I couldn't find the information so I literally just counted all the little hexagons on an electoral map.

Labour majority regions:
North East: Labour 26, Conservatives 3
North West: Labour 51, Conservatives 22, Liberal Democrats 2
Yorkshire & The Humber: Labour 33, Conservatives 19, Liberal Democrats 2
London: Labour 45, Conservatives 25, Liberal Democrats 1

Conservative majority regions:
West Midlands: Conservatives 34, Labour 25
East Midlands: Conservatives 32, Labour 14
East Anglia: Conservatives 52, Labour 4, Liberal Democrats 1, UKIP 1
South West: Conservatives 51, Labour 4
South East: Conservatives 78, Labour 4, Greens 1

Now I've been a fairly strong advocate of keeping the union together, but that incredible difference in majorities between the North East and South East leaves me with one burning question - How can any government ever be representative of both of those areas? Perhaps it really is time to make the North-South divide permanent (and make London a city state of its own, I guess).
 

ilmaestro

State Alchemist
ayase said:
ilmaestro said:
More seriously, I still think four million votes is a number that shouldn't be ignored or brushed off just because it's lower than some fictional number that was printed in a newspaper in the build up to the election.
Is the fact the electorate votes in decreasing numbers as you move further to the extremes and increasing numbers as you move further towards the centre really that unexpected? UKIP are more extreme than the Tories and less extreme than the BNP, so it makes perfect sense their vote would fall somewhere between the two. UKIP simply noticed a gap in the political spectrum there was demand for and filled it.

You're always going to have a certain number of people who subscribe to these views (the somewhat reformed or at least less blatantly racist FN in France poll similar percentages to UKIP) and there's not really much you can do about it.
The general concepts themselves, I agree with you on. But in this case I think the specific numbers are on the verge of being important.

Although actually I don't agree that there's "not really much you can do about it", but I would agree that it's rarely something worth doing anything about (until the point at which it's probably too late to do anything).
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Well you can educate people, but only to the level their intelligence allows. There are always going to be people (quite a lot of people) who are taken in by manipulative types with an agenda. People who'd rather simply believe stories that make them the blameless victim and someone else the villain.

I suppose you can counter it, but only by finding someone else to blame since these people will never admit that anything is their fault. And occupy taught us they don't seem to like blaming the people who actually oppress and disenfranchise them the most, since these are the people they dream of one day being.
 

ilmaestro

State Alchemist
ayase said:
There are always going to be people (quite a lot of people) who are taken in by manipulative types with an agenda.
Five years ago quite a lot of people was around one million. This year it was around four million. I'm surprised that doesn't concern you on any level above "some people are stupid".
 

ayase

State Alchemist
I suppose it's because I don't believe these attitudes have grown in society, rather I think 12% or so of people already held these views but were previously voting Tory and BNP. Like I say, UKIP just filled a gap, but that gap was left by the Tories vacating it in becoming more socially liberal and pro-European. Really, UKIP as a party are little more than die-hard Thatcherites, even if they draw their support from a cobbled together alliance of the moderate to extreme right.
 
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