General News/Current Affairs Thread

theirsbailiff

School Idol
ayase said:
Rui said:
It's strange how few candidates have websites, or even Twitter/Tumblr
Jesus, Rui, you must really want politicians to suffer. Reading political posts on tumblr is almost enough give me an aneurysm - My politics might lean to the left but if there's anything that winds me up more than the hard right, it's the soft left. Someone check Lenin's mausoleum to see if the combined whiny insignificant first-world bollocks of tumblr has caused him to start rotating yet.
The suffering of politicians is a good thing, Ayase. Rui has the right idea of things.

Funny you mention how Tumblr has affected your politics because for me; the right, more specifically the American style "libertarian" types (Guys like the Pauls, Glenn Beck, Koch Bros, UKIP, etc) who all congregate around Reddit, being a bunch of hypocrites who not only don't believe a single thing they support but will actively embrace acting, saying and doing what their "enemies" supposedly do, not to mention how they tend to throw around war rhetoric to each other like it's candy, probably made me go slightly further to the left and embrace Social Democracy.

As for Tumblr, unless you actively seek for them or you have one of those friends who won't stop talking about them, you won't normally see skeleton types on a Tumblr dashboard.



However, this isn't the "Reddit vs Tumblr" thread, meaning we have to discuss news.

*French parliament approves new surveillance rules
*German 'spying' prompts Austrian complaint
*US approves ferry service between Cuba and Florida
 

ayase

State Alchemist
I don't think tumblr has changed my politics - Economically I'm of the left but socially I am very much a libertarian (something which, as you point out, few self described libertarians in the public eye are - they're economically libertarian but in favour of things like immigration controls, abortion and banning gay marriage. Which are laughable positions for "libertarians" who supposedly believe in the state not interfering in people's lives to take) and in favour of freedom of speech and expression, which is what bothers me most about the attitudes I see on tumblr.

Reddit and Tumblr are both awful echo chambers where anyone who disagrees with the majority gets shouted down, I'm not sure what "skeleton types" are exactly but my dashboard was often full of bandwagon jumping on the latest sexism and racism they'd noticed in things which aren't sexist or racist at all (like conspiracy theorists, spend all your time looking for something and of course you're going to find it absolutely everywhere and hidden in everything) and don't bother the vast majority of women or ethnic minorities. But worse than the pettiness and hysterical victim complexes is the attitude a lot of users there seem to have towards censorship. Not only do they seem to think anything which has the potential to offend anyone should be changed or banned, but it was pretty much the only place on the internet I found people blaming the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists for what happened or even saying they deserved it. That was the last straw for me.

As for punishing politicians, I think the stocks or a public flogging is probably far enough. Making them read tumblr posts is just sadistic.
 

theirsbailiff

School Idol
It's Election time today. Polls are predicting that the Tories will be 5 seats ahead of Labour, but won't be getting a majority. And considering they're gonna have a harder time finding coalition parters, are most likely going to go back to the opposition.
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Christ, what happened? Time to move to Scotland I guess, unless they want a union with the North East. Tory governments have just as much legitimacy here as they do north of the border.

I guess Scotland's just kept moving further to the left while England's moved further to the right. Sucks for those regions (and citizens) of England that lean left, but without Scotland to consider I can only see Labour moving back to the right now.

At least it's nice to know Kinnock agrees with me, this is all the stupid electorate's fault.
 

Y-San

Shinki
ayase said:
Christ, what happened? Time to move to Scotland I guess, unless they want a union with the North East. Tory governments have just as much legitimacy here as they do north of the border.

I guess Scotland's just kept moving further to the left while England's moved further to the right. Sucks for those regions (and citizens) of England that lean left, but without Scotland to consider I can only see Labour moving back to the right now.

At least it's nice to know Kinnock agrees with me, this is all the stupid electorate's fault.
Interesting you say that, similar points were made earlier in the night about the failure of New New Labour. Sounded as if the only way for Labour to succeed again would be to hang right. I'm surprised that their recent reform could be considered too socialist, I mean, they haven't really been a 'left leaning party' for a while now, have they?

I dunno but either way, I feel just as dismayed. I thought it was a joke when I saw the Beeb's exit poll at 11pm. How on earth did that happen after six weeks of neck and neck competition? I'm really glad for the SNP (obviously as a supporter), though I apologise if I've been a little harsh with my sharing my views recently. To be honest, I have no faith in LIB/CON and Labour's sudden face turn makes me a little suspicious still, will they hold to it after so many years of New Labour?

That said, even with our new Scottish 'barrier', I am a little worried that as long as the SNP and Labour are in the minority, the Conservatives can still impose their will on a country they don't represent. I mean, this raises some serious questions. What happens when a country has. by large, elected a party that objects to the renewal of Trident but the Conservatives support it? That could be considered as bullying? Worth noting that no major party (LIB/CON/LAB) achieved serious increases in Scotland, in most seats they remained neutral or lost, especially Labour, sometimes in swings of up to 35%, the largest in UK history. Not even political heritage could protect seats in the north, Charles Kennedy and Jim Murphy lost their seats. Most notably shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander lost his seat to a twenty year old politics student and by a decent 5,000 votes. I think it says a lot about the belief a lot of people have in the SNP when they are willing to trust the future of their country to a relatively unknown candidate.
 

ayase

State Alchemist

Lawrence said:
That said, even with our new Scottish 'barrier', I am a little worried that as long as the SNP and Labour are in the minority, the Conservatives can still impose their will on a country they don't represent. I mean, this raises some serious questions. What happens when a country has. by large, elected a party that objects to the renewal of Trident but the Conservatives support it?
See, this is where nationalism just loses me. There are huge red and blue blocks in England that have never voted Tory or Labour, yet it's apparently fine for the losing party in those constituencies to impose rule on them at a national level - But when they constitute an historically defined "country" that's illegitimate?

Nothing against the SNP or the people of Scotland here (hell, the SNP's politics minus the nationalism are far closer to my own than any of the other parties), you've made your voice heard and how. They would still have propped up Labour in England, this is Labour's failure not the fault of the SNP.

Personally I think it's time we had some sort of partition plan like Israel/Palestine in England and Labour can govern the red areas and the Tories can govern the blue ones.
 
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Rui

Karamatsu Boy
Administrator
I'm overall fairly satisfied. I didn't vote for the conservatives and they didn't win in my area either, so on the face of it it's a disappointing result - but I think in the long run things are getting more interesting than they have been in a while. I dislike nationalism yet seeing Scotland's results encourages me that the parties may need to reassess their priorities. If only the English parties could reorganise and actually produce a movement I believed would speak for me in future instead of a bunch of people it's difficult to tell apart. I wouldn't be averse to the SNP rebranding and setting their sights higher one day either if they ever feel like sharing the love.

I'm mostly just happy that UKIP ended up doing far worse than the insane media bias towards them implied. Pretty sure I'll lose my job if they ever get any actual power.

Oh, and importing anime is momentarily slightly cheaper than it was before. The real victory.

R
 

britguy

Za Warudo
Rui said:
I'm overall fairly satisfied. I didn't vote for the conservatives and they didn't win in my area either, so on the face of it it's a disappointing result - but I think in the long run things are getting more interesting than they have been in a while. I dislike nationalism yet seeing Scotland's results encourages me that the parties may need to reassess their priorities. If only the English parties could reorganise and actually produce a movement I believed would speak for me in future instead of a bunch of people it's difficult to tell apart. I wouldn't be averse to the SNP rebranding and setting their sights higher one day either if they ever feel like sharing the love.

I'm mostly just happy that UKIP ended up doing far worse than the insane media bias towards them implied. Pretty sure I'll lose my job if they ever get any actual power.

Oh, and importing anime is momentarily slightly cheaper than it was before. The real victory.

R
Some sort of British Nationalist Party? Oh wait....... :wink:
 

ayase

State Alchemist
Things are definately getting interesting, but the country just seems more divided than ever. While I'm also glad UKIP failed to secure more seats, the fact that there are areas they pushed both the Tories AND Labour into third can only be a sign the English electorate at least are getting more right wing.

I don't have much hope for the future of Labour now. Without Scotland, with the English voters moving right, they can either go back to Blairism (under some godawful leader with mass appeal but no convictions no doubt, especially since Ed Balls has been a casualty) or they can disappear into irrelevance as the centre ground appears to have gone overwhelmingly to the Tories. Much as we might like a left wing alternative, if even Ed Miliband's moderate slight shift to the left produces a result like this, it just spells the wilderness for them.
 

Rui

Karamatsu Boy
Administrator
britguy said:
Some sort of British Nationalist Party? Oh wait....... :wink:
Haha, well I'd rather they rebranded that part of the name too :D

The BNP are another of my strong motivators for voting. I'd be less interested in bothering if not for the opportunity to lower their score by one each time I make a mark on a piece of paper.

R
 
I am pleased with how Scotland voted (even if I voted Green). My disappointment lies with the rest of the 'United' Kingdom and it only shows that Scotland is indeed more left-wing than England. Sadly, the independence last year vote used scaremongering tactics (which targeted the selfish baby-boomer pensioners) and that sealed the fate of Scotland under the status quo. I mean how could Scotland cope without England? In my view, quite easily.

Now I expect full dismantling of the NHS (shares being sold to Cameron's cronies), brutal cuts for those needing benefits, TTIP bill being stealthily passed through, scrapping worker's rights when UK exits the EU (if it happens), continuation of zero hour contracts and austerity measures (Con/Lib government has actually increased deficit despite austerity), right to buy instead of building homes (landlords will buy up properties and push up rent charges) and etc.

I love living in the UK in 2015 where inequality is only widening. Humanity prevails.
 

Vashdaman

Za Warudo
oof, what a depressing result for England. What baffles me is why most of the Lib Dem seats went to the Torys. They felt betrayed by Clegg and so voted for Cameron :s
Anyway this country will now get 5 years of ****, and we voted for it, part of me almost hopes the conservatives get as evil as possible and really give us what we want and deserve.

One thing that is clear out of all is that we need a change in the voting system. It might mean more power to Ukip in the short term, which is pretty ******, but really if they get the votes they deserve it.

Was pretty gratifying to see the Lib Dems get completely crushed though. Clegg enabled the Conservatives to get the power they now have.
 

britguy

Za Warudo
I've had a successful and fruitful existence over the last few years with quite a few job opportunities coming my way and reduced taxes, personal allowances and help to buy benefiting me a lot. I for one hope the next five years will be as good for me, if they're not then i'll just vote Labour!
 

Chaz

Chuunibyou
"A Lannister always pays their debts."

Well, the majority voted for it. Did we really expect anything else - really? It's come to a stage where we're just looking out for ourselves to survive or pushing on to "higher plains" in the world. Only people in the same situation can really only understand their own similar situation - those on long-term benefits, job insecurity with 0 hrs, pensioners feeling the squeeze, families shifted to other counties... I can only imagine what they'd be going though.
Then - a super fast train service with more trains available... which will probably push ticket prices up now too for the "exclusive" upgrade. I mean, I want the upgrade but not if I can't ride it - as many commuters with know more about as they don't get that choice.

I actually voted for Labour to TRY to push another vote towards a manifesto that wasn't my 1st choice, but I felt more comfortable with. Otherwise, I'd vote Green, and how many seats did they get? And Labour? (At least it's red county around me.) Thing is, there was no consistency in success, accuracy or bravado in the group, and this calls for a complete wipe of the party representatives, not just Miliband. They deserve to be red in the face.

But in heart - I'm happy it's a majority vote. We can EXPECT things to go a certain way. There will be some positives in the tide of negativity. Like aforementioned, the trains will be better quality (when it finishes...), a chance of a pay-rise and no income tax for those contracted 30hrs+ (which I'm just short of - damn!). Not as good as No N.I.+Income tax, but themz the breaks. Time to dig in, even when I feel we should be spreading out more.

Maybe this should be our new national symbol?
 
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