Final Fantasy XIII, you are my only hope...
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CitizenGeek said:
You're on a public forum, I'm not meant to be reading some pretentious blog post hyping up a certain game/movie/whatever.
CitizenGeek said:
I have mixed feelings, really. I have a false hope that Final Fantasy would rise from the ashes, but sadly this just isn't going to happen, so yeah, the series should pretty much just end and if it doesn't? At least get a completely new team, a new generation may come with mixed reviews but at least I can expect something new.
CitizenGeek said:
He created the franchise, surely you know the history behind the name "Final Fantasy" he supervised and watched over the series making sure it was properly cared for, the original concepts for most games where his though, including VII which was originally meant to be based in an alternate New York City. As for Spirits Within, yeah he directed it and it bombed, but then you have the polar opposite, Advent Children, I don't think I need to bring up the obvious qualities of such a gem! So uh... you played any Mistwalker games? Because Lost Odyssey is far better than anything Square Enix has produced in recent years. Blue Dragon franchise is horrible though, not even going to lie about that.
CitizenGeek said:
Final Fantasy X was your first Final Fantasy game, I don't expect you to "get it".
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Lupus said:
You're obviously a very demanding gamer if you think that all games in a series should be completely new with each instalment. Tell me, what series do you like that change more dramatically with each sequel than FF does?
Yes, he created the franchise 23 years ago and gave up directing them 19 years ago. Do you honestly believe FFVII or any other FF after IV is great because of Sakaguchi? I think it's great because of Kitase, Nojima, Nomura and Uematsu ... you know, the people who actually wrote, designed, scored and realised the game. When you saw Avatar, did you say "Jon Landau done a good/bad job with this"? No, because he is just the producer; James Cameron is the director, he's the person that made the film what it was. So, really, it doesn't make sense to ascribe the successes of the Final Fantasy series to it's producer.
The failure (financially and/or critically) of Blue Dragon and The Spirits Within show that Sakaguchi is not a genius at all at all. And anyway, in what way is FFX so radically different to all the FFs that came before it?
This is yet another instance of you saying something absurdly pretentious and nonsensical and assuming that the actual meaning of what you're saying is implied. It really isn't, I have no idea what you really mean when you say that. Final Fantasy X is the first Final Fantasy I played .... ergo, I couldn't possibly understand anything about the game? I can't compare it to other games? Everyone who's played any Final Fantasy has played one of the games as their first (including you). Does that mean you are unable to have a legitimate opinion on FFVII (or whatever your first FF game was)?
How is it peculiar? And if it's not a bad thing, why are you even talking about it? :s
CitizenGeek said:
I never said I trust them. Being honest, I took more salt with the impression of some of the members from the NeoGaf problem. He had a lot of stuff to love about it, but much to hate it either. But there were other members who loved it.
I would never trust anyone's opinion from a website with the name 'chan' at the end. I watched the videos and I do understand the linearity in a way. Basically, it wouldn't make sense since you're playing a bunch of fugitives on the run. It's not like "Oh, I might be on the run, but I'll walk around the city and chat to my good ol' friends" because you're on the run.
The design choices was built around the story. In the end, I rather buy it and judge it for myself. Besides, the battle system makes up for it, it looks bloody fun.
PS: I am worried about one thing though. It seems like a lot of Japanese Gamers been trading in Final Fantasy XIII. Part of it was due to the insane difficulty. But others didn't like the changes to FFXIII.
CitizenGeek said:
I'm not talking on the game play aspect though, the game play for XIII is fine, it's everything else, really, although this system similar to the Sphere Grid could have been made into something else, they had enough time to work on it.
CitizenGeek said:
Kitase used to be great, but since he became a big shot he's just not the same anymore. Nojima only started with FF at VII as did Nomura, so they didn't exactly make the series from the beginning, they just formed it into what it is today. Uematsu bailed out when Sakaguchi left though, he even said himself he felt it just isn't the same without Sakaguchi, there's a couple of interviews with him about it which is why he doesn't compose the series OST anymore. Also not counting Amano I see, the original (superior) character designer. You're giving Sakaguchi a little less credit than you should, he MADE the series, without him these guys wouldn't have even come up with the idea or been involved in at all.
CitizenGeek said:
Whole OST not by Uematsu, no world map, extremely linear, story not as strong as the others. Although I will admit that the twist about the truth of Spira was decent.
CitizenGeek said:
You're looking into this way too much, you played X first, so it was your first taste of what to expect, thus you think it's a "good game" like how most people play Resident Evil 4 first and won't touch the older games (No, I am not claiming you are ignorant towards the 2D series) you're fine with it. But I played the older games first and some changes were fine, like the Junction system, but then X started taking things out like I mentioned about, XIII is done it too but even further. You don't even get an airship? Come on now, SE.
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Lupus said:
I'm sorry to say this to you, but I've said this to others. Are you complaining about the changes being bad or an RPG cliche not being in it?
Though, Versus XIII from what I've heard, is more of the traditional FF than XIII was, with actual dungeons and a world map.
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CitizenGeek
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Lupus, would I be right in saying you're comparing the series to FFVII a lot? That seems to be the case, and I do think it's a little unfair. FFVII was exceptional and I can't imagine it's all too easy to do that every time (it had heart, characters that clicked and a lot of other aspects that are hard enough to even define never mind design and implement into a game). Also, the Junction System was horrible and FFVIII's battle system in general was just horribly broken. It got everything else very, very, very, very right (it's a stunning game to look at, listen to and get involved with, but it's not very fun to play). If anything, FFVIII was much less faithful to the series than FFX or even FFXII (really, FFXII was only superficially distinct from the other games).
I really don't mind that it's linear (I prefer linearity in games; I hate feeling like I'm missing out on option B or C because I chose to follow option A) and it fits into story like Chrono said. I am horrified to learn that there is no airship though. Please tell me you're not telling the truth? :'[
I really don't mind that it's linear (I prefer linearity in games; I hate feeling like I'm missing out on option B or C because I chose to follow option A) and it fits into story like Chrono said. I am horrified to learn that there is no airship though. Please tell me you're not telling the truth? :'[
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Chrono Mizaki said:
Well, in a way yes, the generic conventions we've come to expect with the Final Fantasy series are slowly being removed, it's like Final Fantasy: XV coming out and there's no Chocobo's in it at all. I appreciate change, some changes work and are beneficial while others are not for the series. The game play alterations in FF:XIII don't bother me at all.
If Nomura can honestly give me a world map AND dungeons with it, I will definitely take back some of my comments I've made about him, although, since he's writing & directing, I'm kind of worried about how it'll all turn out.
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Lupus said:
Well, the Chocobo is still in Final Fantasy XIII, so that's good. I do agree that these are traditional JRPG conventions that we all know and love, but I'm not really fussed by it. After all, it's just an convention. It doesn't make or break the game for me.
Actually, considering I didn't enjoy FFXII because it didn't have the conventions I know and love, it kinda made me a hypocrite.
Actually, from what I've heard, he isn't totally in charge of the writing. He only written the base. Nojima is writing the whole thing. Or I like to call him "The guy who ****** up KH2 in writing"
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CitizenGeek
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Aren't chocobos and cactuars and airships just superficial mascots in the series though? It's not really a big deal if they're taken out?
CitizenGeek said:
Eh, that's all they are. For someone like me... or Lupus, we played FF a lot longer and it's something we know and love. Surprisingly, I didn't make a big deal out of it, but then again... I wasted my breath on FFXII because of how many rules it broken.
Rose-tinted glasses make you refuse to accept changes.
This is wavering between a decent discussion and personal jabs. Let's stick to the former.
Slightly OT but even though I'm a fan of Uematsu, the more recent FFs have had some magnificent music as well with many of them ending up as part of my soundtrack CD collection. The [relative] newbies in the creative staff have a lot of potential. Even Nomura who is often criticised has put out some very high quality non-FF work with TWEWY and KH. I personally love his 2D artwork and flair and hope he sticks around, though I don't mind if the main FF series gives someone else a shot at design for FFXV for variety. Preferably not Akira Toriyama however popular he is with certain other long running RPG series. Someone new.
I can see why fans of the old "dream team" might have doubts about the series now. To me FF has always been about reinventing itself and experimenting, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worst (I hated FFII and only FFII, and I hated the draw system in FFVIII!). Because it's fashionable for most early adopters who aren't devotedly playing a new game to insult it on the internet there's a lot of negativity towards the newer ones. Most of it is personal taste. I'll be making my own judgement when the time comes.
My favourites are still VI and FFT. The more recent ones have all been well worth the play though and I'm looking forward to XIII (whilst simultaneously trying to avoid spoilers for when mine arrives yet understand this discussion!).
R
Edited because I fail at typing roman numerals today.
Slightly OT but even though I'm a fan of Uematsu, the more recent FFs have had some magnificent music as well with many of them ending up as part of my soundtrack CD collection. The [relative] newbies in the creative staff have a lot of potential. Even Nomura who is often criticised has put out some very high quality non-FF work with TWEWY and KH. I personally love his 2D artwork and flair and hope he sticks around, though I don't mind if the main FF series gives someone else a shot at design for FFXV for variety. Preferably not Akira Toriyama however popular he is with certain other long running RPG series. Someone new.
I can see why fans of the old "dream team" might have doubts about the series now. To me FF has always been about reinventing itself and experimenting, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worst (I hated FFII and only FFII, and I hated the draw system in FFVIII!). Because it's fashionable for most early adopters who aren't devotedly playing a new game to insult it on the internet there's a lot of negativity towards the newer ones. Most of it is personal taste. I'll be making my own judgement when the time comes.
My favourites are still VI and FFT. The more recent ones have all been well worth the play though and I'm looking forward to XIII (whilst simultaneously trying to avoid spoilers for when mine arrives yet understand this discussion!).
R
Edited because I fail at typing roman numerals today.
Yeah, but the airship has been one of the traditions, you always get one in the game after you get so far, even X had one, I don't know how it'll play out on XIII so I can't say, but it is a really strange decision. I mean in VII there was no Moogle's except for when you Summon the Chocobo materia and in a Golden Saucer game. There's another thing about XIII which is off-putting I won't spoil this time, not sure how you'll take it though.CitizenGeek said:
Cactuars are sorta in the game, they're on some sorta billboard
Airships, i personally don't care about, if you think about it, VIII didn't technically have an airship, it had a muthafukin' flying school and a space ship, which was far mroe epic and to be honest, as long as there is a Biggs & Wedge and Cid in the game all shall be fine
Airships, i personally don't care about, if you think about it, VIII didn't technically have an airship, it had a muthafukin' flying school and a space ship, which was far mroe epic and to be honest, as long as there is a Biggs & Wedge and Cid in the game all shall be fine
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I like chocobos and cactuars and airships but they hardly define the series. Once they start taking out the big cast of characters, huge game worlds, epic storylines, enjoyable turn-based combat, etc. ... that's when I'll get worried.
Totally agree with Rui on the music, too. Uematsu is a phenomenal composer, but I loved the music in FFXII and FFX-2. What I've heard from FFXIII sounds awesome too.
Totally agree with Rui on the music, too. Uematsu is a phenomenal composer, but I loved the music in FFXII and FFX-2. What I've heard from FFXIII sounds awesome too.
