Evangelion Creator Hideaki Anno Foresees End of Anime

There does seem to be quite a few identikit shows around often following the latest successful fad, but then that's often true of many creative industries.
 

ConanThe3rd

Railgun
Oh I can grantee you the next batch of LN shows will be about a dood who is a waste of life and gets killed and is reincarnated to some magical bullshot world where he can live the Harem Hero life (which disgusts me as a concept but that's not for this thread) but we don't watch anime for those shows (besides the one or two that execute the premise well).

As long as at least one good show, counter to all that, is being made a year, I have better faith in the medium than a jaded so and so who's grand contribution to the industry since 2012 is shoving his nose into Funimation's affairs in dubbing a movie that basically was Shinji's punishment for taking control of his life for once in 2.22.
 

qaiz

Pokémon Master
ConanThe3rd said:
As long as at least one good show, counter to all that, is being made a year, I have better faith in the medium than a jaded so and so who's grand contribution to the industry since 2012 is shoving his nose into Funimation's affairs in dubbing a movie that basically was Shinji's punishment for taking control of his life for once in 2.22.

Because Anno personally went to Funi, yup I'm sure he did, damn that Anno for preventing Funi from releasing what might have been a crap dub, of his own property no less! Also his only contribution? I take it you haven't seen any of the wonderful Animatorexpo shorts which have shown more creativity within than any of the actual stuff these Studios have been pumping out for the past few years...

I think your last statement makes it extra clear, Shinji isn't a real person, Anno can rip the boy to shreds if he wants, he is after all he's trying to tell a story, one which hasn't been concluded yet might I add so the connotations of 3.33 might not be as clear as we'd like to believe. Nobody is being punished, because Shinji is merely a vehicle to deliver emotions to the viewer, and isn't an actual person who feels emotions contrary to popular belief. Maybe the fact that Anno makes you feel so strongly about him says something about his storytelling?

I hope my tone doesn't come across as if I'm picking on everything you say, you just seem to hate this man who at the end of the day works to basically entertain people with cartoons, he's not a monster and doesn't really deserve the vitriol people throw at him, and although I doubt it prevents him from sleeping at night, it's still unwarranted. You can disregard what he says, but trying to bury the man comes across as silly, and all of this for comments that he made that he isn't even the first to reiterate. Many directors and animators have said the same countless times.

Miyazaki:
It’s unthinkable that new hope can come out of TV when one episode from a TV series needs 3500 cells to be drawn. On the other hand, in movie theaters as well, there are no films that will mobilize moviegoers other than anime fans. I think that filmmakers have forgotten the basics of selling movies. Collaboration films intended for overseas markets are all the rage, and even though I want the fans who are in Japan to see these films, they can’t and all I’m left with is frustration. Only deterioration can come out of this situation. Actually, there isn’t even one anime today that is aimed at older kids in elementary school to kids in middle-school - the very kids who should be watching anime. (The anime available now) is aimed at younger kids at elementary school and then jumps straight into anime for college kid anime maniacs. It’s a tough time for fifteen year olds who are put aside by society. Twelve year olds to fifteen year olds are the kids who need the most comfort and yet the situation now is that they get their comfort from handheld video games. Those who produce animation are losing sight of their targeted audience. The remaining anime fans are making anime that they want to watch, and this is a symptom (of the present situation) that is beyond redemption. This is why video animation is still backward in terms of its production, and only its format is new.

Oshii:
If I’m going to be severe about it, I’d say that I want all collaboration anime gone.

Those who work in big studios and places with systems in place may not feel a sense of crisis yet. But in the case of freelance animators like us who work together and put together a workplace and disperse once our anime is done, a part of our actual work is outsourced. Recently however, the small video studios and finishing studios that we outsource to are loaded with collaboration work. Japanese anime can’t compete with collaboration anime in terms of profit so when that happens, we just have to rely on the goodwill of the studio bosses, or make them feel the same way we do with regards to the contents of our work, or by chance see an opening and aim for that, or appease them or plead with them. We can’t work in just that kind of a situation. That’s why it’s almost impossible to make highly compact and solid anime in Japan now. Even without going that far, it’s almost impossible to make even decent anime in the country today. In fact, anime TV series are almost all in shambles, and I can’t even be optimistic about the video quality of the anime we have now. In this kind of situation, I can’t help but seriously think if next year, our ideas can be made into anime.

Let me guess, lazy so and so's right? :p In fact, if you watch the Studio Trigger documentary that they made in regards to making Kill La Kill (I use them as an example because you like them) you can see how much the process of making a series almost kills them, with unbelievable amounts of stress. People were talking about how they haven't gone home in days, multiple 8 hour meetings discussing how Ryuko should look like, with zero social life between shows, it really is going to be the death of them, if not the industry.
 

black1blade

Thousand Master
qaiz said:
Miyazaki:
It’s unthinkable that new hope can come out of TV when one episode from a TV series needs 3500 cells to be drawn. On the other hand, in movie theaters as well, there are no films that will mobilize moviegoers other than anime fans. I think that filmmakers have forgotten the basics of selling movies. Collaboration films intended for overseas markets are all the rage, and even though I want the fans who are in Japan to see these films, they can’t and all I’m left with is frustration. Only deterioration can come out of this situation. Actually, there isn’t even one anime today that is aimed at older kids in elementary school to kids in middle-school - the very kids who should be watching anime. (The anime available now) is aimed at younger kids at elementary school and then jumps straight into anime for college kid anime maniacs. It’s a tough time for fifteen year olds who are put aside by society. Twelve year olds to fifteen year olds are the kids who need the most comfort and yet the situation now is that they get their comfort from handheld video games. Those who produce animation are losing sight of their targeted audience. The remaining anime fans are making anime that they want to watch, and this is a symptom (of the present situation) that is beyond redemption. This is why video animation is still backward in terms of its production, and only its format is new.
Wait a minute, I'm 15....
 

ConanThe3rd

Railgun
qaiz said:
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I'm not playing this game any more. My opinions are that Anno has absolutely no right to winge about the situation when his contributions have been 3.33 (Which I can do nothing but think took the original Idea of Rewrite of Eva, IE: A version of Evangelion written not made in a state of complete and utter breakdown, and threw it in everyone's face), stopping the dub on 3.33 (I can't see anyone else on the committee wanting that stopped other than him) and MeMeMe (Which basically is a gaudy Chick Tract).

My using Trigger was only as an example and I will be right there with anyone else when they say "Really? That's how you're going to do Ninja Slayer?", you want other examples? How about Satellite working on Cannon Busters or Kick Heart or the Wakfu specials? They don't count.

My point is Anno has grown old, not up and I will damn well step on his lawn on the matter.

If you want to argue with that, you can go shout at a brick wall.
 

qaiz

Pokémon Master
Huh, at least I know where I stand with you, with that nice use of that emoticon, its not like I'm playing games, but if that's how you see it, well then...

also before I leave, Anno is the producer of the whole ANimatorExpo initiative, not just MeMeMe.
 
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Rui

Karamatsu Boy
Administrator
Conan, if all you're going to contribute to the discussion is a selection of colourful ways to tell someone else to stop talking when they voice a perfectly reasonable dissenting opinion, you should probably start following your own advice.

I don't understand why you care so much about this topic and why you believe you have a deep and personal knowledge of exactly what goes on during production meetings between people whose names you don't know and whose language you don't speak, but as everything is conjecture your opinion is no more valid than anyone else's. Anno is a genius, whether you like him or not. His work was, and continues to be, content which has appealed to hundreds of thousands of people all over the world. Rudely attacking someone for defending him makes no sense.

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qaiz

Pokémon Master
It's honestly fine; I guess I just get really upset when people tend to treat creative people in the industry with contempt. I mean, just because you've done some good stuff in the past doesn't make you exempt from being wrong and being rightly criticized, but I feel that usually falls flat when all your augment amounts to the fact that they made some crap recently and thus shouldn't have a voice and that they should no longer be allowed to voice their concern. Nobody should kiss his or anybody’s backside in the industry just because they've done some influential work in the past, as he is human at the end of the day and will say silly, stupid things from time to time that he should be called out for, but that also works both ways and grilling him for a statement he made, one that isn't damaging mind you is a bit much. If he said something sexist or racist? Yeah I'd be flipping tables too, but what he said wasn't even that bad so the anger isn't even warranted. The anime industry isn't sustainable, even ignoring the creative side, because good shows are still being made, but the pay and work environment these hardworking people have to deal with is a real problem.

I actually see it being very similar to George Lucas, another man in the film industry who gets grilled frequently. Yeah he ****** up with Star Wars (some would say that I'm putting it lightly), and thus should be criticized, but the man is still a farther and a husband at the end of the day, a man who's donated millions to charity and...you know, came up with Star Wars in the first place. This should not stop people from voicing their hate for what he's done with the franchise people hold near and dear to their hearts, but at the same time should be dished out accordingly.

Saying that Anno shouldn't be able to make a statement about the industry because he hasn't done anything as of late is like when people tell reviews of video games, books and movies to shut up because they haven't made a video game, book or movie themselves. They can, and will still express their opinions, and its up to the people at home to read said statements and make of it what they will.

I think, in the end I'm glad that people are discussing such things and I do believe that this forum would be boring if people just agreed with one another, nodding politely. That's what threads are for, to discuss your feelings on certain topics, and I would never stop people from feeling a certain way and if I ever have done so, I apologize. I can come across as assertive and I guess that stems from my passion for such topics, and my love for the creative people in the industry. It just gets tough to see people hating on the people who work their asses off to entertain us and make a living. Cue the world’s smallest violin, I know, Anno isn't going to lose any sleep for the hate he gets (maybe he gets off on it :p), and I think people are free to express how they feel about things. Anno is an influential man and thus what he says has weight, so that goes both ways and you may believe that Anno shouldn't open his mouth if he doesn't want some hate coming his way, but I also feel that it’s up to the people at home to give his words any light of day and by discussing how much he shouldn't have a voice to speak from is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy as by doing so are bringing more attention to him.

At the end of the day, you are free to feel the way you do, and implore you to discuss as such. This forum would be lonely if people kept their mouths shut, and I understand that things can get heated. I say some pretty stupid stuff, and as such encourage people to challenge what I say, and in the same breath I apologize if I ever said anything offensive or stupid. Maybe this whole thread got more complicated than it should have because of me, and maybe that happens a lot when I post. I've been known to dish dirt on Anime Limited, so even I'm not exempt from being harsh, but I do (maybe not successfully) try to explain why I feel as such. I post on various other forums, many of which are more..feisty in nature I guess and thus that might come across in my posts in this otherwise every relaxed environment where everybody is friendly. Because this forum has a lot less posters than other forums I go on (one which has a total of 155,000 users) maybe its easier to hold grudges, but I do genuinely hope that I don't scare people off. Conan is a fine poster, and for what it's worth, I respect him. I guess this thread was a bit of a mess for everybody but I hope that these types of discussions aren't looked down upon, I like it when people speak their minds even if I come across as abrasive, like an unstoppable force meeting the immovable object :p Hopefully its all good.
 

Mohawk52

Thousand Master
Anno is doing what Satoshi Kon, (God Rest His soul), was doing shortly before his untimely death. As much as I too have issues with Anno's treatment of EVA fans, I give him full credit for arranging and hosting this Exhibition of possible would be hopeful animators. He knows that all the old talent is just that, old and getting older and that if no new blood is found soon then anime is going to be dead or so corporately homogenized that it will be nothing but 27 minute toy commercials, or soft porn with virtually nothing in-between. Out of all the shorts I've seen so far, Hill Climb Girl has got me wanting to see it commissioned the most. :thumb:
 

black1blade

Thousand Master
The main thing I want from the future of anime is good sequels to good shows. Ufotable x Type moon anime and monogatari aren't going to end in the next 5 years.
 

Neil.T

Titan
I came across this thread in the "similar threads" suggestions and ended up reading the whole thing.

Nothing like exhuming an old argument, eh? I won't name the user whose quote this is, but...

Lol what on Gods earth have Trigger got to do with this? They've done nothing but garbage
Hohh, wow... 😂
[wipes away a small tear]

Well, that sentiment didn't stand the test of time, did it? Many a Promare fan might disagree with it for starters.
 
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