Daily Mail: Ban this sick filth!

I have to admit I read the first post, just rolled my eyes and thought 'Daily Mail...'.
They're about as credible as a manufacturer who pledges thier entire credit on Chocolate Teapots :p
 
Max Takeshi said:
Just before Pokemon got its UK release The Daily Fail ran an article on it. I recall one of the sentences reading: 'The monsters try to kill each other with ray guns'.
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I'm a huge Pokémon fan and...that might be interesting.

Hey, Shadow the Hedgehog went that route...just with real guns.
 
Joshawott said:
I also sent it as a forward with a covering note to AnimeNewsNetwork and MVM, as well as posting a link to the article on the Facebook pages for Crunchyroll and MyM Magazine.
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Great to hear! I know Daily Mail has an antagonistic relationship with anime and manga in general. Once I saw the article, I had to share it. I forgot to mention the Kiddy Grade picture they added, but I guess it was chosen for the combination of picture and title.

Sorry for those that thought it was Urotsukidoki: Legend of the Overfiend being released here. I didn't mean to get your hopes up - but I had to think of a good topic title and that was the most obvious choice was 'Ban This Sick Filth'! :p
 
If there has been no victim then then there has been no crime
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Not in the eyes of law, hence why drug dealing is still illegal. But yeah this whole situation is more than a bit ridiculous. Though, I have to admit the idea of publishing such material to make profit from it's public consumption, does bother me (I'm talking about the questionable manga, though it could go for the Daily Mail too, mind). I mean it's hard not to draw some correlation between a country that has a serious problem with sexual assault on the public transport, and also has video games on the shelves in which you play a character that 'gropes' young looking characters on the public transport.

I'm not surprised the Daily Mail used a picture of Kiddy Grade, I mean, with a title like that it was always bound to be an easy target.
 
this is why i hate western media they dont understand anything,
its like the sun calling cosplayers weirdos which they did

bunch of basterds
 
vashdaman said:
If there has been no victim then then there has been no crime
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Not in the eyes of law, hence why drug dealing is still illegal.
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And that's why I prefixed it by saying that was my position on the issue and how the law should work.

vashdaman said:
I mean it's hard not to draw some correlation between a country that has a serious problem with sexual assault on the public transport, and also has video games on the shelves in which you play a character that 'gropes' young looking characters on the public transport.
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If you want to follow the Mail's long-standing example of blaming people's consumption of art and entertainment for real world problems, sure. People are just a sexually depraved the world over, that isn't the problem there at all. The problem is the victims failing / not attempting to have their abusers prosecuted, presumably due to fear of embarrassment in Japan's overly modest culture. If you tried that in Britain you'd likely get slapped, shouted at, be restrained by the conductor (very probably other passengers too) and have the police waiting for you at the next station. That's no indication British people don't fantasize about this stuff, just that they don't act on these fantasies because they know they wouldn't get away with it. In Japan, chikan can get away with it. That's the only difference.

As for the Kiddy Grade picture, wouldn't it be great to produce a heart-warming family film about a child musical prodigy with zero objectionable content and call it Kiddy Fiddler? Wonder what the Mail would make of that.
 
I've sent a short email to Anderson & Low - that's a photograph from their Manga Dream exhibit being presented as a sexually graphic manga cartoon.
 
If you want to follow the Mail's long-standing example of blaming people's consumption of art and entertainment for real world problems, sure. People are just a sexually depraved the world over, that isn't the problem there at all. The problem is the victims failing / not attempting to have their abusers prosecuted, presumably due to fear of embarrassment in Japan's overly modest culture. If you tried that in Britain you'd likely get slapped, shouted at, be restrained by the conductor (very probably other passengers too) and have the police waiting for you at the next station. That's no indication British people don't fantasize about this stuff, just that they don't act on these fantasies because they know they wouldn't get away with it. In Japan, chikan can get away with it. That's the only difference.
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I'm not claiming this 'art' is the sole cause of the troubles, but I think it would be an oversight to assume that individuals who immerse themselves in that kind of quite disturbing material are not affected by it. I see no kind of artistic expressive reasons for which that kind of material's(for example, the kind of game I mentioned) existence can be justified, it's sole purpose is to exploit a (presumably) mentally unwell demographic for it's creators profit. So I can't say I would be sad to see it go.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that banning that stuff would solve the problems. To be honest, the problems must be located much deeper cultural level within the society, or else the almost bizarre and extreme level of sexual pandering seen within it's media and high level of sexism in general, wouldn't exist. So yeah, you are right when you say that the 'art' isn't to blame for the underlying issues.

I'm not dissing Japan at all by the way, Japanese society has a hell of a lot of good going for it too, so it's swings and roundabouts, I guess.
 
And I'm not saying the British way is perfect either. You're right that the true source lies much deeper, and to me the fact that non-consensual sexual activity (and fantasizing about it) happens at all speaks of a massive amount of repressed sexuality in any society. I blame the (often religious or economic) idea that sex requires anything more than two or more people to find each other physically attractive. Personally I think a society where we all groped each other and enjoyed it would be the best of all possible worlds.
 
:lol:

I definitely agree with you on the effect of repression, and to me it seems pretty obvious that the more "extreme" aspects of Japan is largely a direct consequence of repression (though not necessarily sexual).

However, I'm not entirely sure I agree that a world of casually promiscuous sex is the answer either. I think instead, it would be far more fruitful to learn how to control and channel one's sexual energy. I think this is a major way in which most modern religion has failed people, as it often teaches the importance of being conservative in regards to sex, yet at the same time completely forgets to teach people an adequate way in which to control their sexual energy often just preaching repression, but as we all know that never ends well.
 
vashdaman said:
:lol:

I definitely agree with you on the effect of repression, and to me it seems pretty obvious that the more "extreme" aspects of Japan is largely a direct consequence of repression (though not necessarily sexual).

However, I'm not entirely sure I agree that a world of casually promiscuous sex is the answer either. I think instead, it would be far more fruitful to learn how to control and channel one's sexual energy. I think this is a major way in which most modern religion has failed people, as it often teaches the importance of being conservative in regards to sex, yet at the same time completely forgets to teach people an adequate way in which to control their sexual energy often just preaching repression, but as we all know that never ends well.
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And that is why for example, the Church needs to abolish celibacy rules for priests. There's only so much someone can led build up before they explode.

Shiroi Hane said:
I've sent a short email to Anderson & Low - that's a photograph from their Manga Dream exhibit being presented as a sexually graphic manga cartoon.
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I was wondering where that image came from.

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Hello Josh,

Well done on your robust defence of anime and manga.
I'm pretty sure they do know the real situation but that doesn't sell papers.
I doubt they researched the fact that Kiddy Grade has a BBFC certificate for 12 year olds.

Regards

Tony
MVM Entertainment Ltd
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The last line made me lol.
 
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thank you very much for drawing our attention to this unauthorised and frankly bizarre usage. We had not known about it, and we are most appreciative of you fighting our corner, so to speak.

Given the usage perhaps we should be thankful that there was not a correct attribution. We find the caption tenuous at best in relation to the image. And, of course, associating our work with the article in question it is of course much worse than that.

Do you happen to know if our image also appeared in the printed paper?
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I don't read the Daily Mail - does anyone know?
 
Shiroi Hane said:
I don't read the Daily Mail - does anyone know?
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Sorry, I don't know - I only read it from the website. It may not have an image attributed to their story in the print version, but somehow I feel that the Daily Mail would have used an image to potray their own point of view.
 
I'm gonna say this just once:

Speaking from my perspective as a 35 year old man with a vested interest in media publishing... The Daily Mail is possibly one of the shabbiest, most reprehensible tabloid rags out there. Staffed by idiots, prone to wildly irresponsible journalism and frequently pushing a very clear agenda irrespective of THE FACTS, this rag doesn't deserve your money or anybody else's.

It comes as no surprise to me that somebody in their ranks has set their beady little eyes on anime (again) as it's a pretty clear trend in this paper that they'll attack any minority group. Immigrants, minority religions, people of alternative lifestyles and political viewpoints... they're all fair game to these jokers.

What amuses me is that this 'newspaper', which regularly draw attention to the latest subversive evils apparently threatening to corrupt our great country, does a great deal of harm itself in its alarmist, innacurate and often deeply offensive reportage.

I will NEVER spend money on this godawful, horrible publication - not even if it's for someone else. And nobody in this thread or with a single working brain cell should either.
 
HdE said:
I'm gonna say this just once:

Speaking from my perspective as a 35 year old man with a vested interest in media publishing... The Daily Mail is possibly one of the shabbiest, most reprehensible tabloid rags out there. Staffed by idiots, prone to wildly irresponsible journalism and frequently pushing a very clear agenda irrespective of THE FACTS, this rag doesn't deserve your money or anybody else's.

It comes as no surprise to me that somebody in their ranks has set their beady little eyes on anime (again) as it's a pretty clear trend in this paper that they'll attack any minority group. Immigrants, minority religions, people of alternative lifestyles and political viewpoints... they're all fair game to these jokers.

What amuses me is that this 'newspaper', which regularly draw attention to the latest subversive evils apparently threatening to corrupt our great country, does a great deal of harm itself in its alarmist, innacurate and often deeply offensive reportage.

I will NEVER spend money on this godawful, horrible publication - not even if it's for someone else. And nobody in this thread or with a single working brain cell should either.
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I'll carry on reading the Mail for its great sports coverage, but I'll remember to read all of its many anime/manga related stories with a large pinch of salt.
 
VoxPhantom said:
I'll carry on reading the Mail for its great sports coverage
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And so the presses whirr into action.

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Just noticed that the Kiddy Grade image and that other one have been removed from the article. Shame that paragraph is still there.

Interesting.
 
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