Currency vs Brexit: GBP Losses

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The way the numbers stand right now, the other parties might as well not exist. I can admit that.

But let me add by asking why does supporting Labour mean you seemingly have to adopt everything the party puts forward? Even with the Lib Dems being a minority I still criticise them. Cable wouldn't be my choice for leader for one and his stance on all this sounds worryingly like exactly what I criticise Tories and Labour for. If LD go down that path, I'll cancel my membership.

I don't see that from Labour supporters. This forum has actually been one of the bleakest for it, since any criticism of Corbyn/Labour gets deflected and called fake. Really? So many of you have bought into a political party so hard you think it never does wrong?
 
I've said before elsewhere that Labour Party supporters should not be conflated with Corbyn supporters. The latter is a tiny, but overly vocal subset of a much larger set on a political Venn diagram.
 
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The way the numbers stand right now, the other parties might as well not exist. I can admit that.

But let me add by asking why does supporting Labour mean you seemingly have to adopt everything the party puts forward? Even with the Lib Dems being a minority I still criticise them. Cable wouldn't be my choice for leader for one and his stance on all this sounds worryingly like exactly what I criticise Tories and Labour for. If LD go down that path, I'll cancel my membership.

I don't see that from Labour supporters. This forum has actually been one of the bleakest for it, since any criticism of Corbyn/Labour gets deflected and called fake. Really? So many of you have bought into a political party so hard you think it never does wrong?
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I do think the criticism is spin and not true. Because I have read the manifesto I listen to his speeches and I voted for him twice. Most criticism stems to he was eurosceptic most of his career he cant have changed his mind, I think on balance he did vote remain but now wants brexit to work because he knows that was the democratic decision. He does want single market access but cannot have it as we voted to leave. So therefore we have got to try to keep every right the Single market gave us therefore I only trust labour to make the best of this bad situation. I dont trust any other party the tories are making a mess of it and the lib dems are a joke so Labour like many pro remainers was the only logical choice for me.
 
Except you can have single market membership and not be in the EU. That fact was promoted by the Leave campaign leading up to the referendum then abandoned when Leave won. Suddenly we're leaving it all, even the single market and customs union which we need to survive.

Forgive me, but your post is what I'm talking about. You've clearly settled on Corbyn as this kindly man of principle, simply respecting a democratic decision. I feel the exact opposite based on the evidence and it drives me mad that said evidence gets swatted aside as spin. I don't have some insatiable need to attack Corbyn, I attack him because in my opinion he's doing a terrible job and people are being suckered in by photo op politics that people have used for years.
 
He whipped Labour to vote for Article 50, defeating cross party attempts to win amendments.

He voted for a GE that he didn't win.

He's achieved not even the slightest concession on the matter yet continues to talk like he's holding all the cards.

If that inspires you then I really don't get it. It's not opposition, it's posturing. A man who can make pretty speeches and then fail to achieve anything in parliament has no place as leader of the official opposition. That isn't hope to me at all.
 
But we supposed to get wiped out this election. And those amendments wouldn't have won with labour numbers. And if you voted against the election in my eyes you were against a chance to remove the tories (Cough SNP)
 
Labour did far better than many expected. I won't deny that because, again, I'm arguing based on facts.

And the facts are he still didn't win. Which again goes back to my comment weeks ago that he's happy to accept an advisory referendum as a mandate but is contesting a binding election he came in second. It's self serving hypocrisy.
 
Jeremy Cornyn s hard left momentum supporters, have been as usual bring intimidation and violence into the political process of the uk, This is not something I abide and should be roundly condemned by everyone, He should be kicking theses people out of his organization.

His cult of socialist thugs are now intimidating conservative mps Conservative MP Sarah Wollaston tells of abuse during election

Hardly kinder gentler politics, that is because Jeremy Corbyn does not represent kinder gentler politics, he is a socialist and show me a socialist regime the wasn't brutal and oppressive.
 
Yup! It's all coming up roses...

Like Vladimir and Estragon, the British right is waiting for its Godot. For years, Godot manifested himself in the unlikely form of the German car industry. English nationalists invoked its name as if it were a spell that could protect the nation from hard times and harder questions.

From Boris Johnson and Michael Gove in the [URL='http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14571296.Boris_Johnson__EU_tariffs_would_be__insane__if_UK_backs_Brexit/']Leave campaign
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, through to Iain Duncan Smith and David Davis today, they convinced 17 million or so voters that BMW would ensure we could have our cake and eat it too. “The first calling point of the UK’s negotiator immediately after #Brexit will not be Brussels, it will be Berlin, to strike a deal,” announced Davis in May 2016. German car manufacturers would want access to the British market. The German government would listen and grant us privileged access to the single market in return.

As it has turned out, economics has not trumped politics. And although I am instinctively a materialist, I have to admit it rarely does. Try to find an economic explanation for nationalism or religious fanaticism, or for middle-class professionals supporting left-wing parties or working-class voters support for rightwing parties, and your arguments rapidly lose conviction. Economics did not trump politics when Britain voted to leave the EU. It does not trump politics now that 27 countries are determined to preserve the union. And not only as a defence against a return of fascism and communism.
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Corbynism : characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce



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You know when you studied WWII at school and all of the ridiculous British propaganda to rouse rabbles and build morale seemed cartoony and ridiculous? Does today's version seem any less crazy to those who disseminate it?

I'm not on any team in particular (following political celebrities goes against my religion) but it all looks very surreal. At the moment I mostly want ayase in charge of the world, which is probably a scary thought.

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Rui said:
You know when you studied WWII at school and all of the ridiculous British propaganda to rouse rabbles and build morale seemed cartoony and ridiculous? Does today's version seem any less crazy to those who disseminate it?
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I don't know about crazy but it's a lot more funnier.
 
The only similarity I see is the way they campaign. Both are apt to make sweeping generalisations, take exaggeration into hyperbolic overdrive and are not afraid of telling blatant lies.
 
Lol.... I thought you where comparing there political policies not there personalities. But you right there both Egotistical twats
 
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