Currency vs Brexit: GBP Losses

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Labour's prior amemendment asked for keeping the benefits of single market access after leaving the EU. Which is what we want as we cannot be in the single market cos people want control over immigration.
 
He doesn't appear to be the biggest fan of the EU and is entitled to his opinion. But stopping his mps from voting and punishing those who do seems a bit Dictatorial to me. Mind you he was a big fan of Fidel Castro so it kinda makes sense.
 
Time changes he did say it was on balance he wanted to stay in the EU which is same as me. And May doesnt offer Free votes on the EU so why should Labour.
 
Because when people vote in the general elections there voting for the person to represent them. One of the ways they represent them is by voting , if they cannot vote then they can't represent the people of there constituencies. So by stopping his mps from freely voting he is basically spitting on the democratic rights of the people. And just because May does it doesn't make it right for him to do.
 
Watanabe Ken said:
Because when people vote in the general elections there voting for the person to represent them. One of the ways they represent them is by voting , if they cannot vote then they can't represent the people of there constituencies. So by stopping his mps from freely voting he is basically spitting on the democratic rights of the people. And just because May does it doesn't make it right for him to do.
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Thats Parliament. Chief whips exist on all sides.
 
Watanabe Ken said:
Because when people vote in the general elections there voting for the person to represent them. One of the ways they represent them is by voting , if they cannot vote then they can't represent the people of there constituencies. So by stopping his mps from freely voting he is basically spitting on the democratic rights of the people. And just because May does it doesn't make it right for him to do.
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It's about image and tactics. I've long accepted we are leaving the EU and therefore the Single Market, I think it's dumb but free movement of people was pretty much the deciding factor for so many leavers it's honestly impossible to keep membership of it.

Labour as a party are now also holding this stance so it helps nobody if some of the shadow cabinet continue to hold the opposite view. Also Chuka Umunna is a noted Blairite and Corbyn critic so any ties to him is doing the Shadow Cabinet and Labours image no favours. Also worth noting that Ruth Cadbury's constituency actually voted to leave albeit by the tiniest of margin of just 0.8%.

Corbyn has a very strong mandate to run the Labour Party for this term of parliament and into the next General Election so I think he is right to remove those that will cause harm to Labour in the long run. The New Labour MPs need to accept this, He needs the party to back him as it's for the good of all of them in the long run so going against the Party line in Shadow Cabinet positions is just not going to work. Especially on an issue of this importance to the electorate.
 
Blaize said:
Corbyn has a very strong mandate to run the Labour Party for this term of parliament and into the next General Election so I think he is right to remove those that will cause harm to Labour in the long run. The New Labour MPs need to accept this, He needs the party to back him as it's for the good of all of them in the long run so going against the Party line in Shadow Cabinet positions is just not going to work. Especially on an issue of this importance to the electorate.
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He lost the general election by all accounts he should step aside like Ed Miliband did, let someone who actually has a chance of winning the next general election lead the Labour party.
 
The Tories were set for a landslide until May revealed her "Dickensian"
Manifesto, Fox Hunting , scraping free school meals for poorer children, the dementia tax, she might has well put we drink the blood of your children on it. Only under those circumstances could crazy socialist Corbyn do as well as he did (he still lost, not the he seems to know that) but unfortunately for Corbyn Mays on the way out, so he won't have such a handicap next general election, best he step aside and let someone who can actually beat the Tories lead the Labour party.
 
Yes Theresa May had a rubbish campaign and her manifesto was awful. But that wasn't the only reason why Corbyn had a surge in popularity. The main reason he had that surge was because for the first time the people of this country who don't follow politics closely got a good look at him and what he had to say. Before that the media had just written him off, over and over and over again which led many through osmosis to disregard him but once they actually heard what he had to say many agreed with him.

Also Corbyn didn't lose this election for Labour, he had one of the their best performances in a very long time. The problem is the SNP movement in Scotland and the collapse of the Liberal Democrat vote. I mean Corbyn's Labour were only 2000 votes or so from winning a majority.
 
Blaize said:
Yes Theresa May had a rubbish campaign and her manifesto was awful. But that wasn't the only reason why Corbyn had a surge in popularity. The main reason he had that surge was because for the first time the people of this country who don't follow politics closely got a good look at him and what he had to say. Before that the media had just written him off, over and over and over again which led many through osmosis to disregard him but once they actually heard what he had to say many agreed with him.

Also Corbyn didn't lose this election for Labour, he had one of the their best performances in a very long time.
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Your forgetting the part where he lost.
 
Watanabe Ken said:
Your forgetting the part where he lost.
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This is how politics tend to work, you slowly narrow the governments lead until the point where the shift in power has clearly switched. It happened last time in the lead up to Labour winning in 1997 and again with the Conservatives in 2010.
 
Blaize said:
This is how politics tend to work, you slowly narrow the governments lead until the point where the shift in power has clearly switched. It happened last time in the lead up to Labour winning in 1997 and again with the Conservatives in 2010.
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The 2008 financial crisis put the Tories in government in 2010, also gave the Labour government a bad reputation, which the Tories have been miking ever since. It will take something similarly reputation destroying to get someone like Corbyn even close to winning.

But who knows maybe I'm wrong and your right only time will tell
 
Watanabe Ken said:
The 2008 financial crisis put the Tories in government in 2010, also gave the Labour government a bad reputation, which the Tories have been miking ever since. It will take something similarly reputation destroying to get someone like Corbyn even close to winning.

But who knows maybe I'm wrong and your right only time will tell
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Oh so when Brexit backfires Labour will be coasting in (so in one year...)
 
Blaize said:
I mean Corbyn's Labour were only 2000 votes or so from winning a majority.
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Sorry, but they needed 64 seats for that. Another 2000 votes, even perfectly placed, could only have gained them 9 of those. Slightly over 100000 perfectly placed votes would have been what it took for them to get a majority.

The Conservatives could have got a majority with 794, or 786 and good luck with coin tosses.
 
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