Coroners and Justice Bill.....Threat to anime??

Wildcard said:
Obviously, :roll: I was only questioning whether the laws would take that into account.
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Sorry for misinterpreting you. I mean not to patronise, but Derfel has already quoted this relevant passage:
"(3) An image is “pornographic” if it is of such a nature that it must reasonably be
assumed to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal"
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I assume this means they would take this sort of thing into account.
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Project-2501 said:
Some of the stuff you've downloaded might well become illegal, but you probably broke the law downloading it in the first place so why are you worried?
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I'd like you to elaborate on this. Are you referring to the Obscene Publications Act, or copyright infringement?
Regarding the latter, a lot of hentai is made freely available by the very people who create it.
Regarding the former, the OPA doesn't criminalise a person for the possession of 'obscene' material unless such material is 'for publication for gain' (viz. they possess it with 'view to publication').
 
Zin5ki said:
Wildcard said:
Obviously, :roll: I was only questioning whether the laws would take that into account.
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Sorry for misinterpreting you. I mean not to patronise, but Derfel has already quoted this relevant passage:
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No trouble, anyhow I get the point - it has to be overtly intended for sexual gratification, again, I should have read more carefully the first time.
 
Derfel said:
1, I fail to see the transition between loli and downloading actual child pornography. Logically, if a paedo decides to download a piece of loli, that is clear indication that he downloaded loli. I know this is obvious, but I need to point it out: he is downloading loli, not actual child pornography.
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Again, you are confusing yourself between my own opinions and actual facts as to why Loli may be banned in the future. GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS want to ban it because it, ACCORDING TO THEM, can promote and encourage the real life, sickening stuff. That is one of their arguments and not one of my own. I was only implying that it is somewhat a good exuse to make with regards to banning Loli and that, if this is indeed the case, then I would agree fully for it to be banned straight away without a second thought.

This may not be the case, very true, but if what they say is actually true then I am opposed to it. Like I said, at the moment I have no problem with the stuff. It is not a part of my life. I like cross-dressers, cute tom-boys, and girls with a small temper. Thus, again, this could not bother me more unless I am stricken from Elfen Lied and Lucky Star.
 
Ok, I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions thinking it to be your opinion.

On the other hand, if you look at Hansard, you can see there is no consensus among the MPs or any academic evidence on either side.
 
Derfel said:
Ok, I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions thinking it to be your opinion.

On the other hand, if you look at Hansard, you can see there is no consensus among the MPs or any academic evidence on either side.
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Indeed, which is why it has not been banned here yet despite being banned in other fellow nations. Britain is a democratic society where the people have their say, something cannot just be "banned" because people in the hierarchy say that they should. Loli is just art and not many people bother about art such as this.

There are a party of MP's that want it banned but no abuse, contact, or disgrace to young persons is made as the people involved are fictitious. No feelings are hurt and no young female is harmed or abused; which is ultimately why they would want to ban such a thing but they cannot as it is not a real life incident. They want to demolish all forms of child abuse and expliotation, which is fair enough, although Loli simply is not child abuse. This is why they are having problems, see, and also why it is not banned yet.
 
Thing is, the Commons said yes. I mean, sure, the Lords can throw it back twice and/or delay it for ages hoping the Commons abandon it in the meanwhile, even succeed at changing the bill, but that would require them to intend to do so. If the Commons are persistent, they will have their way.

Britain is a democratic society, however, if you look at the European Court of Human Rights, you will see that it is flooded with UK cases.
 
Derfel said:
Thing is, the Commons said yes. I mean, sure, the Lords can throw it back twice and/or delay it for ages hoping the Commons abandon it in the meanwhile, even succeed at changing the bill, but that would require them to intend to do so. If the Commons are persistent, they will have their way.

Britain is a democratic society, however, if you look at the European Court of Human Rights, you will see that it is flooded with UK cases.
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Lolicon's banning will always linger above parliament (just like those apparent "U.F.O's" that have been spotted over it), whether the case will be held there until it is banned or is just thrown away and forgotten about: nobody knows.

The main point is that there are only a small number of claims that the members opposed to it can make, such as the "..it promotes.." and "...it offends.." excuses. I can understand why this can be considered such a difficult case to counter by the MP's side. It should have been expected by them when they chose to try and ban drawings with no emtions, human rights, and ages though. This is one of their greatest problems. It is a tad similar to trying to capture and arrest somebody that does not exist.
 
For me, the bill at the moment does looks like it will pass. Also the main thing that I concern about is people over shoot the definition stated in there. And made some unnecessary trouble to people.
 
a.m200805 said:
For me, the bill at the moment does looks like it will pass. Also the main thing that I concern about is people over shoot the definition stated in there. And made some unnecessary trouble to people.
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Please rest assured. Unless a proper case is brought, where intention (mens rea) is proven, there is no reason to worry.

I'll throw in a quote from an excellent judge:

"...there has for centuries been a presumption that Parliament did not intend to make criminals of persons who were in no way blameworthy in what they did."

Lord Reid, Sweet v Parsley

The judges aren't after you. Its not a dark conspiracy to frame you lol.
 
RetroRainbow said:
Thread is rather tl;dr for my currently bleary eyes, but will the bill affect manga?
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Derfel has dissected the bill within the context of anime and manga. Reading his article should provide an answer to your question: Yes.
 
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It would only depend on if the manga was seriously explicit though (Elfen Lied) with regards to younger people.

Manga's such as Yotsuba&! will not be affected because the protagonist is not presented with panty-shots or anything, but is just an ordinary little girl. Some anime and manga need little girls as the central role as it makes them more fun. "My Neighbour Totoro" and "Spirited Away" prove that.
 
RetroRainbow said:
...What will I do if Kodomo no Jikan gets licensed, and I want to import it? ;_;
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no point hoping for that, seven seas did try but didn't relies what they where getting into, doubt any other publisher will do the same
 
RetroRainbow said:
...What will I do if Kodomo no Jikan gets licensed (oh lawd; sure), and I want to import it? ;_;
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Wasn't the main character shown masturbating in the shower in a chapter? Isn't she something like 10 years old? That will never get licensed, without heavy editing. (And I'm talking heavy editing)

We're the country that beats paediatricians to death. Don't expect any sort of common sense from here.
 
RetroRainbow said:
...What will I do if Kodomo no Jikan gets licensed (oh lawd; sure), and I want to import it? ;_;
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CopperAlloy said:
Wasn't the main character shown masturbating in the shower in a chapter?
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unless if the anime is completely unrelated to the manga, then no. you must be thinking of something else.
 
Otaku-san said:
RetroRainbow said:
...What will I do if Kodomo no Jikan gets licensed (oh lawd; sure), and I want to import it? ;_;
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CopperAlloy said:
Wasn't the main character shown masturbating in the shower in a chapter?
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unless if the anime is completely unrelated to the manga, then no. you must be thinking of something else.
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I bet he's spending his Jikan with Kodomo. Ahahaha.
 
can someone please clarify

if this bill pases, will i or will i not be prosecuted for owning certain anime dvds and video games?
 
hey, just read the bill, i really dont think this will affect anything that people think it will.

i really doubt that anyone could make a case that Elfen Lied for instance falls within the bills purview

thats the only sort of thing that you could even think might be affacted, i mean it wont affect anything thats currently within the law, anime, manga or videogame wise from what i can tell.
 
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