Y'know, at times, it sucks to be an anime fan in the UK.

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We get so much junk and so little quality that it's getting real bothersome now that we can no longer import for reasonable amounts, PlayUSA low prices and low prices in general aside.

No Welcome to the NHK, no Genshiken, no Great Teacher Onizuka. These are three highly rated titles, all hard-hitting because of how close the stories are to reality. But, instead of these titles, we get Daphne and Desert Punk. We get more easy to sell shounen rubbish. We get more stories involving boys and robots. We get more fan service.

It's true that the three titles mentioned aren't exactly as sellable as robots, tits, James Bond and all the rest, but the series reviews speak for themselves. Overall quality is more important than a selling angle retards jump at like retarded monkeys in the hunt for a penis shaped like a banana. If rubbish keeps getting priority over 10/10 stuff, how is anime ever going to get respected by the masses?

I still can't get over no-one wanting to license Gankutsuou because of its main selling point - its unique visuals. Anime on TV tends to look decent at best most of the time, so for people to put their noses up over it just because Gonzo put actual effort and money in is crazy. It's even more out there when you take into consideration that it's quite possibly the greatest anime ever created. Do the important UK anime people really think it's ok to turn down the chance to license Gankutsuou and go on to license ******* Daphne instead, or release a title (Utawaresomonuromo) that would earn just a few weird glances if you asked about it in a store? Funimation clearly don't have the same problem with Gankutsuou that MVM do.

Maybe I'm being a tad too harsh. I recall reading that in Japan Claymore flopped because it lacked fan service and Code Geass R2 did the opposite. But we aren't in Japan and, right now, anime could do with more top end and less bottom of the barrel titles over here to help promote it. Manga are doing there part with cheapo releases, and they're releasing some good stuff, but even they have only gone for the easy to sell, non-realistic titles.

...This is kind of a pointless rant. I'm just pissed that I can't buy NHK right now (9/10), will have to import S2 of Genshiken and my only option with GTO is to pay something like £45 for two cheapo sets. These are titles that should be out over here by now; easy to get in art box collections. I don't want ******* TTGL (not unless sold for cheap) - I want meaningful titles; **** that hits home and isn't just watch and forget.

Someone better license Spice and Wolf. I'll forgive MVM for all their sins if, shortly after the US releases, they release 2x art boxes - like the recently released BL sets. It may turn out to be more than just a hopeless dream since S&W has a fox girl with much moe within, but due to the lack of boobs I'm not that hopeful.
 
Really you can't judge a series by popular opinion alone. We don't know how much specific licences cost for the distributer to licence, nor do we know the profit margins for certain series.

For all we know, Daphne in the Brilliant Blue was quite a low priced licence, whilst I suspect Gakutsuou is at a premium.

You can't compare the UK and US markets due to the huge difference in scale. UK anime DVDs sell only a few hundred units each. When you think of that, and the price people pay for them at retail, you start to think just how small the profit margins for UK anime DVDs are.

There's also the availability of licences, but at the end of the day - if you want something licenced send an email to the company! It likely wont do anything, but there's a chance that they'll read it, look into it, and you never know what could happen.

Oh, and I just have to pick you up on one detail...
S&W has a fox girl with much moe within
Holo is a wolf girl. The clue is in tht title.
 
I have to admit I kind of agree. Nowadays I never really bother reading news about "online streaming anime" on ANN etc as anime fans don't seem to exist outside of the US, and in the last year I've imported more anime from the states then bought from UK distributors.

One of the reasons (and things I am still pissed about) can be found by looking at Slayers. "The Slayers: The Complete First Season" can be bought, new, for £12 from the amazon marketplace. On the US amazon site it retails for $18. I remember reading in NEO a few months ago about how cheap boxsets in the UK might do ok. What do we get? Individual DVDs. Luckily I had decided to import as at the time there had been no news of Slayers coming to the UK- but for the price of season one (in the UK) I could have bought Seasons 1 and 2, and had money left over to buy some snacks for when I watch it. And that's going by Play prices, which are cheaper then amazon, which are probably the same as in HMV etc.

I sometimes hear people talking about being "loyal" to the UK anime industry. In this world I'm loyal to the company that gives me the best returns for my money, and possessing a multiregion DVD player, the US usually wins out.

Apart from that damn import duty limit.
 
I really have no idea what you're actually complaining about. You buy all of your stuff from America anyway and anime is clearly never going to get any more mainstream in either the UK or in the US. Because you really like Gankutsuou, you seem to imagine that it's the title that will be cause the masses to undergo some kind of revelation and suddenly start consuming more anime on DVD and demanding it on TV. No, Gankutsuou won't do that. It was released in the U.S., wasn't it? And anime is no more popular over there.

Fudce said:
UK anime DVDs sell only a few hundred units each. When you think of that, and the price people pay for them at retail, you start to think just how small the profit margins for UK anime DVDs are.

Anime companies in the UK are obviously making a decent enough profit, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it at all. There's no need to feel sorry for companies that are trying to make money off of you :p
 
CitizenGeek said:
anime is clearly never going to get any more mainstream in ... the UK
I don't see why it shouldn't, after all there's more of it on HMV's shelves than ever before and it's a lot more well know thanks mainly to the popularity of Ghibli films. We have the large population needed to sustain a decent market as well. It's perhaps unfortunate that the bestselling titles in the UK (Ghibli, Manga's shonen stuff) really are aimed at a younger audience, thus not helping to dispel the "cartoons are for kids" mentality amongst the general population, which might be changed by watching a few of the niche shows that, sadly, never make it over here (either literally or figuratively). But they would require some kind of major advertising campaign to penetrate the public consciousness.
 
What I mean is that anime is by-and-large very Japanese and despite occasional massive success stories like Naruto, it's probably never going to be as mainstream in the West as it is in Japan. Not even remotely, vaguely close to being that popular irrespective of how often Gankutsuou is shown on TV or how many "major advertising campaigns" there are. We've at this anime lark for nearly 20 years and it's never gone mainstream and if it didn't go mainstream during the heyday of stuff like Evangelion it's definitely not going to go mainstream nowadays when perverse, childish idiots make shows like Kannon and Clannad the most popular.
 
But now we're also in the age of cheap, reliable digital media. Blu-ray of course is starting to split the market, but all in all DVD's are cheap to produce. The difference between profitability in Japan and the UK is that the same thing sells for between 3 and 10 times more in Japan. Hmm... I wonder why anime does so much better there? The discs will cost the same to produce but the Japanese companies make a hell of a lot more money out of them.

Perhaps the worst decision on the part of the American distros was to start lowering their prices. "Hooray" they thought, "The economy is good, people have plenty of disposable income, we can licence anything and everything and sell it for a lower price than we normally would which will enable us to make more money because we'll be selling more products!" We know how that ended. Bye bye ADV. And now in the hard times they really need to be making more on each individual sale, but can't put their prices back up because people got used to paying so little. Hence the "Aion attitude" which has developed among a lot of fans: "£40 for a boxed set!? F*ck off! I'm not paying any more than £20!"

So I imagine that's why (to make an example of one particular case which has already been brought up) MVM have to sell Slayers singles first - It's the only way they could possibly make any money out of it. If they went straight to £20 series boxes they would be screwed. I would have been buying the singles if they'd been better packaged, perhaps including boxes with one disc out of each series or having high-quality cover art, but as it stands they just aren't worth that much. For me the problem with buying UK discs is not a question of price, it's a question of value.
 
As much as I detest you for your constant stream of hate aimed at
Gurren lagann

I agree that it's kind of annoying being an anime fan in the uk
I mean we have not ONE channel for anime not ONE

You mean people can find find funding for about 50 porn channels ( most of which are actually the same channel with a different name!!!)


But not one channel for anime!!!!????


I went to mcm and there was clearly enough devoted fans there more than for most other things!!
why does no seem to see this at network tv stations I have no idea ?




2007 was such a promising year not one but two!! anime channels
were available!!!

But then what happens?

BOOM ZIP THEY DISSAPEAR!! NO REASONS GIVEN NOO
JUST "BYE BYE"

I don't even understand what happened can someone explain to me why exactly they dissapeared?
 
It sucked to be an anime fan in the mid-late 1990s. Compared to back then, the selection available today is huge. And unless you knew other fans there wasn't an easy way of getting your hands on fansub tapes.

Anime isn't mainstream even in Japan. The only reason shows continue to be made is because there's a hardcore fanbase who pay ridiculous amounts of money for DVDs. Gonzo, for example, have had well-publicized financial trouble and have had to shift their focus to the kind of shows popular with Japanese otaku (Strike Witches, Rosario + Vampire, Saki).

I would argue that the current low pricing is not responsible for the situation in which the western distributors find themselves, but rather a consequence of it. The complete failure of Bandai Visual and their $40-for-two-episodes nonsense is evidence that the US market cannot sustain the Japanese release model. Geneon's demise reveals the folly of rigidly sticking with the $30 for 3/4/5 episodes and dubbing everything, regardless of the marketability of the title. As for ADV, I suspect their trouble stems from licensing too much anime and manga at inflated sums during the boom years. They had their fingers in a lot of pies.
 
The Anime Network ended because ADV in the US could no longer afford to diversify. They had to stop all their operations outside of DVD licensing. This including TAN in the US and the UK, along with Newtype US magazine, and ADV Manga.
 
King Jimmeh said:
The Anime Network ended because ADV in the US could no longer afford to diversify. They had to stop all their operations outside of DVD licensing. This including TAN in the US and the UK, along with Newtype US magazine, and ADV Manga.


I don't understand isn't propella like a channel filled with
independent movies from the bbc?

How much could they possibly be charging?


and what about anime central?
they still come on 4 am to 6 am what's that about?
 
Geez, you like picking faults, Ms. Nitpick. I was thinking of descriptive words for Horo (it can be 'L' or 'R' before you start!) and foxy (as in, sexy) and her being an animal crossed, resulting in foxy. Next you'll start the grammar Nazi routine.

I can understand if Daphne was available for cheap and they went for it, but licensing rubbish because it's cheap doesn't help anime in the UK - it makes the problem worse. More rubbish anime on UK shelves solves nothing. And, since Geneon/Gonzo died and Funimation now hold the R1 license, it shouldn't cost a Godly amount to license Gankutsuou. Funimation took advantage of Gonzo and Geneon dying, licensing everything they could, so I don't see why Gankutsuou shouldn't get released over here.

GTO is the reason I made the thread; not Gankutsuou. I'd love to see Gankutsuou licensed but it's too late for me to really care - I own the R1 box set. On the other hand, I'm reading the GTO manga and want to watch the anime, and since I rate the manga 9-10/10 I'd be more than willing to pay £5 per disc (x10?) for the whole series.

Note: If there were two art boxes, that'd be £25 each for half series sets, Ayase, plus maybe a little extra for the art boxes. I don't pay a lot for most anime because most anime isn't worth a lot, but there's a difference when I actually want to own something because of its quality.

I wouldn't care too deeply about the UK anime industry if £1 = $2. But that isn't the case. It would've been impossible to avoid customs on complete 26 episode series sets in the past anyway, but now it's difficult just to import half series sets. And, anyway, I can't say it's too tempting to pay a lot for half series digipacks.

As ever, the only shining light in the UK is Manga, who license quality titles and don't charge Beez prices. But they mainly stick to silly shounen stuff; easy to sell titles. The titles mentioned in the first post aren't the sort of thing Manga would go for. Because right now only titles aimed at kids or perverts are viewed as sellable, it means R1 importing is going to be the only way forward, and even then the R1 market suffers from the same kid/pervert title issues to a lesser extent.

One last thing: Ghibli titles. It makes me cringe when I see £15 Ghibli films on the top 100 anime list on Play. They've cut prices on a ton of stuff recently, yet the average person remains ignorant and pays an excessive amount for an old film. The blame lies with Play only cutting prices and not making a new anime sale section to draw attention, but some of the blame also lies with people who refuse to look beyond mainstream titles.
 
I just thought of a summary for this thread

WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

They aren't releasing animes of random manga I read WAAAHHH!!!!
Why haven't they released the crappy anime adaptation of gto WAAAAAHH!!

IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN WATCH IT ONLINE OR ANYTHING WAAAAAHHH!!!!!


I HATE GURREN LAGANN FOR NO REAL REASON WAAAHH!!!!!

I HATE BEEZ WAAAHH!!!!

HOW DARE THEY REALEASE SOMETHING 2 YEARS OLD WHEN THERE IS CRAP FROM TEN YEARS AGO I WANNA SEEE WAAAHHH!!!


MANGA RELEASES NARUTO HOW DARE THEY WAAAHHH!!!!
 
Because of your incoherent message, I was unsure which title you were referring to, or if you were in fact referring to every anime I mentioned in my first post. You come across/are a bit of an idiot, so you can't really blame me for not understanding.

There's nothing wrong with old anime, anyway. TTGL coming out in 2007 doesn't make it any less over-rated. And GTO has a rating of 8.81/10 on MAL - 0.04 points less than the manga. That's not the score of a poor adaptation.

In any event, I'm saying that the titles mentioned should be out already. I should be able to buy UK copies of GTO now. But, as it stands, it seems unlikely that it'll even get released.
 
There are plenty are other BETTER anime that the could have released
such as

Slam Dunk
Dragon Ball (seriously? no one has released this?)
Gintama
Rurouni Kenshin
Doraemon (I hear a lot about it)
Cardcaptor Sakura
Crayon Shin-chan
Honey and Clover
Macross (NOT ROBOTECH UGH)
Nodame Cantabile

I could go on with some other older stuff
so to mention GTO I don't even think that would sell
I know I wouldn't buy it
 
School girls, mini-skirts, panties and I'm guessing excellent art. Why wouldn't it sell? On most of the manga volume covers it's pointed out that 37+ million copies have sold wordwide, and those are very old figures now. Popularity and school girls in short skirts leads to money.


Please stay on this forum. You (TTGL tard) and CG (Eva/FF/Tezuka tard) make this forum feel like my internet home.
 
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