Y'know, at times, it sucks to be an anime fan in the UK.

You tell him!


There are two big GTO negatives I can see before watching it:

1: Studio Pierrot
2: It only covers 14/25 volumes

A lot will depend on if the art/animation is at Naruto level and if the original ending is decent. Sadly, the two complaints I've read about it suggest that GTO isn't as nice looking as it should be and that the anime ending isn't great. Its very high MAL rating makes me hopeful, though.

If Madhouse had made the anime, I would've probably ordered the R1 sets. Bleach and Naruto have made me hate SP.
 
RetroRainbow said:
unellway; some of the titles you named aren't licensed, at all. Such as Gintama and Nodame. Even if Gintama was licensed, and brought over here, I doubt that it would sell well. The premise is too odd for the casual fan. GTO is much more accessible, and already has brownie points for being one of the most well known (actually decent!) school anime of our time.

And Crayon Shin-chan would have even less of a chance selling over here than something like GTO. Several years back, Shin-chan was aired over here in a children's block, around 11 am. If they released it over here I'm sure some people would think, 'oh god, I watched that when I was younger'. Same with Cardcaptor Sakura, annoyingly enough. They come off as childish.

And how do you know that GTO 'sucks'? Have you watched it?



1. gintama is on cruchyroll lots of people should have seen it by know its one of the most hilarious animes ever and could even recommend it to their friends.
I don't see why there is any reason why the uk company's couldn't get the shows directional from the Japanese company who create them rather then a middle man and get a sub only release OR DARE I SAY IT DUB IT THEMSELVES!!!!! give some British actors some work 8D.



2.I have and the anime version is not as good
 
GTO anime is pretty win if you don't count the last two episodes.

Also, Gintama sucks and isn't even funny, should have been a serious series. Inb4 someone mentions the "serious" arc.
 
Lupus said:
GTO anime is pretty win if you don't count the last two episodes.

Also, Gintama sucks and isn't even funny, should have been a serious series. Inb4 someone mentions the "serious" arc.



Please jump off a bridge :D
 
unellmay said:
I just thought of a summary for this thread

WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I liked you better when you didn't make sense in your Sub/Dub topic. Actually, scratch that, you made more sense in that than here. Just no, no one, don't humour him.

Back to the main topic: I do kinda share how you feel. There are quite a lot of Manga that's hardly been released in the west, something I wish they would do. I would love to see Manga like Bitter Virgin or Milk Morinaga's Girlfriend come out here. I want to own them in physical format and read them.

But as for DVDs in the UK, what can you say? Some stuff sells and some don't, regardless of good or bad. All you have to blame is the public for not buying it. It's their retarded logic, I guess. But I do admit, you can be a bit pretentious, as Gankoutsu was mentioned [considering you're a huge fan]. But eh, it's a shame sometimes, I guess.
 
unellmay said:
Lupus said:
GTO anime is pretty win if you don't count the last two episodes.

Also, Gintama sucks and isn't even funny, should have been a serious series. Inb4 someone mentions the "serious" arc.



Please jump off a bridge :D
The truth hurts, aniki.
 
Lupus said:
unellmay said:
Lupus said:
GTO anime is pretty win if you don't count the last two episodes.

Also, Gintama sucks and isn't even funny, should have been a serious series. Inb4 someone mentions the "serious" arc.



Please jump off a bridge :D
The truth hurts, aniki.



YOU Have no right calling me Aniki :evil:



Chrono Mizaki said:
unellmay said:
I just thought of a summary for this thread

WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
*Crap spews out of mouth*



Ewww
 
Aion said:
A lot will depend on if the art/animation is at Naruto level
Not seen Naruto, obviously, but GTO isn't much of a looker. The animation is sloppy and the characters are off-model a lot of the time. It's not the kind of show that really needs flashy visuals, though, so your mileage may vary.
 
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=182905

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GTO has some of the best artwork I've seen and the action/insane moments would look great if animated in style. So, if the anime looks as average as expected, me no happy.
 
I don't see you making many/any decent posts, Justpa.

...Actually, since this thread has progressed well, I'll respond with a quote:

"**** you, ********." - Arnie
 
Aion said:
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=182905



GTO has some of the best artwork I've seen and the action/insane moments would look great if animated in style. So, if the anime looks as average as expected, me no happy.

That tread is bull half those people don't know what poorly drawn is
and I bet none of them seem to understand how animation works and how hhar it is one of the reasons they're moving to 3d.

This would be fail
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/wp-conten ... fail-2.jpg

At the very least you should cut naruto a break 300+ eps
no excuse for gto though




Chrono Mizaki said:
unellmay said:
Chrono Mizaki said:
unellmay said:
I just thought of a summary for this thread

WAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
*Crap spews out of mouth*



Ewww

I think I give up. It would be a great time for that old suggestion "Ignore User" to be fulfilled.

/Leaves thread


Good

I also Just realised

Manga: Bitter Virgin IRONY!!???
 
Aion said:
I don't see you making many/any decent posts, Justpa.

...Actually, since this thread has progressed well, I'll respond with a quote:

"I love you, Chenny." - Arnie

It's not just about posting, it's about reading. Conversations aren't just about yelling one's opinion loud enought to drown everyone out, it's about listening as well.

I've been reading this thread as it's grown, and what I'm seeing is not pride and joy in one's own interests, but a determination to put other people's interests down. Flaming and trolling, denigrating each other with the suffix -tard. Pretty childish.

And pretty soon it'll just be the children left...

I'll return you to your thread.
 
If no-one posts, no-one has anything to read. Your posting ratio isn't impressive. It's true I'm skilled at the fine art of expressing myself and insulting others at the same time - I consider it a talent - but I made this topic with the intention of conversing with others. Obviously I think I'm right, and I think it's fairly obvious we get too much rubbish and too little quality, but I'm more than willing to chatter away.

Since you disagree with what I said, why not express why you think I'm "bitching" and put me in my place. I promise I won't suggest you have a certain degree of mental retardation. Entering the thread and suggesting a new title adds nothing and doesn't make you come across as mature...you do know that, right, Mr. Reviewer?

Also, in your heart of hearts, you're thinking the TTGL person is a touch retarded. I'm calling him 'tard because he acts like he isn't all the ticket - not in an attempt to outwit him. He puts himself in more than enough holes.
 
unellmay said:
I also Just realised

Manga: Bitter Virgin IRONY!!???

I was curious and confused. What's the irony? [I know, I should be leaving this topic, but I want to understand what he meant by that]
 
There's not an enormous amount of purpose in just repeating that something sucks to a fan of it and hoping they'll change their mind. And unellmay, ease up on the rudeness to people please. You can express an opinion better without being unduly confrontational to people who disagree with your points.

I'll add some disjointed personal feelings on a few of the series mentioned in the hope that something I say will be sufficiently stupid or off the mark to jump start the original topic again.

I have the old Tokyopop DVD release of GTO and really enjoyed it. My husband, who thought it looked boring from the box art, drifted in when I was watching an episode partway through and became hooked very quickly. It's a quality series with average animation (like most popular TV fare of the time) and a lot of heart. The first opening sequence still sticks in my mind as having been excellently crafted all this time later.

It's not as good as the much more detailed manga; adaptations rarely are. I'm actually most surprised the drama version (at least the movie) hasn't made its way over here yet. We are pretty well served here in terms of live action asian films and if it did well it would bode well for the animated version. I liked the live action adaptations too.

Gintama is a series I love very much but there's no way it would make its money back over here at the moment. It's astronomically popular in Japan and will not be a cheap little license to grab. I think the only chance that one has is if Viz starts churning it out in R1 and Manga use their materials in minisets like Bleach/Naruto. Gintama is long, weird and has a fuzzy overseas target audience despite solid Shounen Jump credentials. I'll be the first in line to buy this if it is given a chance later on but to say it will do better than a shorter series with wider appeal is probably more hopeful than realistic. Shin-chan and Doraemon are also not going to make any money here due to their length and the fact both would need dubs to survive at all (I know Shin-chan already has one; it hardly set the charts alight when it aired on television though so the nostalgia crowd might not be a large market). If Doraemon got a kid-friendly TV deal it could be a real hit. It's not one I'd collect though.

There was of course a time when a TV series anime of any length was a wild fantasy over here. We've come a very long way to be able to get a few long running series properly released in the UK. Even with ADV's collapse and Revelation's problems the UK market nowadays feels much healthier than it has at some points in the past. Gone are the days where anime aimed at anyone other than late teen/early 20s males was the only thing that companies even looked at. Still, I get the feeling that for potentially less profitable shows shorter is better.

I was rather disappointed by the UK Slayers release since it never even had a singles release at all in R1, going straight to box sets as the singles were left behind back in the days of VHS. It's probably, as has been said, the only way it could have been released viably for the companies involved from their perspective. From the consumer's perspective though it looked crazy. It's difficult not to compare ourselves directly with the US in cases like that and feel rather short changed. A deluxe release (like Beez's Wolf's Rain, perhaps) might have been a better way to go about it. It's always a gamble but if they can't add value for money on the raw show itself and turn a profit, appealing to the hardcore collectors and making a wider margin on a luxury product might have worked. From Andrew's comments on it having sold out I'm assuming the Wolf's Rain experiment was a decent hit. Hearing some comments from MVM on how Slayers worked out once it's done would be interesting. Perhaps the singles still pull in enough impulse buys to make them worthwhile for less maniac fans.

It's silly that I am even complaining about this though. I'm happy buying the Gundam 00 "singles" because there's no better deal available to me at the moment. I suppose I'm only annoyed about Slayers because it's long been available for a much lower price elsewhere and isn't being given the loving treatment Beez is showering on Gundam 00. Comparing cost to episode count they're rather close; Beez's just feels higher quality since it's a quick release with prettier box art and optional extras.

It might be interesting if Manga - who have been known to release more experimental shows occasionally when they have some spare cash - tried something like Gankutsuou or (unrealistic personal indulgence here) Mononoke as their next artsy project. I'm glad for imports in the meantime to plug the gaps when the UK version is uncompetitive, or worse, unavailable.

R
 
Aion said:
If no-one posts, no-one has anything to read. Your posting ratio isn't impressive. It's true I'm skilled at the fine art of expressing myself and insulting others at the same time - I consider it a talent - but I made this topic with the intention of conversing with others. Obviously I think I'm right, and I think it's fairly obvious we get too much rubbish and too little quality, but I'm more than willing to chatter away.

Since you disagree with what I said, why not express why you think I'm "bitching" and put me in my place. I promise I won't suggest you have a certain degree of mental retardation. Entering the thread and suggesting a new title adds nothing and doesn't make you come across as mature...you do know that, right, Mr. Reviewer?

Also, in your heart of hearts, you're thinking the TTGL person is a touch retarded. I'm calling him 'tard because he acts like he isn't all the ticket - not in an attempt to outwit him. He puts himself in more than enough holes.



You could at least call me by my alias :(
and silly person who puts light yagami in his top 10 anime characters is silly



Chrono Mizaki said:
unellmay said:
I also Just realised

Manga: Bitter Virgin IRONY!!???

I was curious and confused. What's the irony? [I know, I should be leaving this topic, but I want to understand what he meant by that]


I'm not telling as it increases my lolz :p




And I still want Gintama to come out
Perhaps Bandai/Beez could get it considering
It is made by sunrise probably one of my top 3 anime company's
 
I'm not disagreeing with what you said.

All that I find disagreeable is the mud-slinging that came afterward. It takes two to sling mud, and it makes the place smell of Jeremy Kyle.

You're absolutely right, the decent stuff doesn't get a look in because the companies need to make money, which means selling the generic mass market stuff that will actually turn them a profit. But, sometimes that mass market stuff can be pretty good too.

Mass market for one country isn't necessarily mass market for another though. Moe may be big in Japan, but blood and guts sells in the West.

Let's assume that anime has a 9:1 crap to decent ratio. I'm not going to name names as one man's crap is another man's fertiliser. But obviously Japan gets 100% of the anime output, the US gets 20-30%, and we in the UK get a fraction of that.

That's down to what the market can support, and though we may complain, and whine, nothing's going to change hat, unless you can brainwash 50 million people into suddenly realising there is something called anime in this world. But no matter how much we get, it's always going to be in the ratio of 9:1, crap to good.

I lied about naming names, as I went through the same phase, exasperated at the dross that was coming out, and the lack of the good stuff. I mean, Ninja Scroll TV. But the point is that the Ninja Scroll TV sold enough to justify a tin boxset for the collection.

We can deal in two ways, this way, with the it sucks to be a UK fan thread, bitching at the dross coming out, bitching at the companies releasing it, bitching at the fans for buying it, which isn't good for your blood pressure, or how you feel about other fans, it's just not nice. You find yourself, one day, because a company used the wrong colour font for its subtitles, starting Internet petitions and organising boycotts. (Been there, done that, when I was a lot dumber/younger).

Or you can be positive. Be grateful about the shows that are released here, and believe me, in the middle of a recession, with a couple of companies pretty much non-existent, we are right now getting more anime in the UK now than at any time in the past. I've got a tall review disc pile to prove it.

Can't get it in the UK? Who cares? We can import it from the US, or Australia. There's no law against it. Be grateful that if the UK market isn't big enough to support its release, there is an English speaking market that is. Hasn't been licenced in the West. Well, chances are it's been fansubbed.

Have a little patience anyway, old shows, interesting shows do make it to the UK. I had totally given up on FLCL ever coming here.

Take advantage of forums, and communication. Can you imagine having the sort of access you do to anime companies with a company like Fox or Paramount? We are getting Slayers in this country because MVM asked the fans if they wanted it, and a majority said yes. (I said no, given the Region 1 boxsets, the age of the show, and the intended UK release format. Turns out I was wrong, as Slayers is making money in the UK). Anime companies in the UK listen to the fans, they have to, market research costs money. But, they listen to majority opinions, weigh it against economic factors, and always go with the profitable option. You may not get your way, but you will be heard, especially if you are polite.

Patience above all! We live in a now generation, but the world doesn't work that way. You may get your next hit of anime instantly on the Internet, but deals take time, imports take time, pressing discs takes time. My favourite movie, Blade Runner came out in 1982. It was 25 years before I had a home video version I was truly satisified with. I got what I wanted eventually, but I could have spent that intervening time whining and bitching and complaining, or doing something constructive.

And how much anime does any one person need? No seriously, I need to now how much a person needs. I still want more, and I've calculated that if I watch eight episodes a day, I can get through my current collection in 18 months.
 
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