what kind of anime do you like?

Well, I've been married, had kids, divorced, and developed ED over the past 35 years, so all that fanservice stuff doesn't really interest me any longer. Lol!
 
Can I just ask, What is Jousei anime? Is it anime aimed at women? Sounds right up my street, what are some notable examples of the genre?

Yeah I'm definitely with people in their distain for rubbish sexualisation and fanservice that usually floods the stuff aimed at boys. Although it's not exactly hugely less absent in seinen shows from what I've seen of them, I can really only think of a handful that keep their dignity throughout. It always takes me out world and reminds me I'm watching something either made by or made for lonely guys. I mean, I am a lonely guy, but I certainly don't want to be reminded of that fact.

When I say that I occasionally like idealistic fantasy that kind of stuff isn't what I mean. I mean that I like some pretty 'twee' stuff although I think that word discredits some pretty credible stuff sometimes.
 
Vashdaman said:
Can I just ask, What is Jousei anime? Is it anime aimed at women?
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Yes. Later teens and adult women.

Vashdaman said:
Sounds right up my street, what are some notable examples of the genre?
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I think Only Yesterday would fit, possibly After the Rain (although MAL have it as Seinen which I guess it could also be), maybe Garden of Words.
I bet there's plenty of youtube top 10s out there you could search for.
 
Vashdaman said:
Can I just ask, What is Jousei anime?
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Sorry, I assumed this was a fairly well known term. Never can figure out what terminology I should be using.

Vashdaman said:
Yeah I'm definitely with people in their distain for rubbish sexualisation and fanservice that usually floods the stuff aimed at boys.
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Generally I don't have a problem with it, just that I got enough of that stuff in the 1990's, mostly OVA stuff. The problem is that the OVA market virtually died out and stuff like that which could barely be strung out for a couple of OVAs was turned into 13 episode series.

But I think a lot of the yaoi stuff and gyaku harem can just as poorly written as their male targeted counterparts. But each to their own really. There’s nothing wrong with genre or exploitation (i.e. B-movie fare) material really. Anime really excels at both. I think that happened mostly due the Japanese video market in the 1980’s with OVAs having complete with other video releases on rental store shelves.
 
Greboruri said:
Generally I don't have a problem with it, just that I got enough of that stuff in the 1990's, mostly OVA stuff. The problem is that the OVA market virtually died out and stuff like that which could barely be strung out for a couple of OVAs was turned into 13 episode series.
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80's and early 90's were the "video nasties" era, a lot of adult focused I.p that finished their run on short or feature length films that were either heavily cut or banned from sale. And yup, these days there's far more lax attitude to the more mature content and it's a little easier for organisations like the BBFC to define ratings on content without making lots of cuts, so studios do now tend to make a series rather than one off ovas that won't see a sequel for 2 or 3 years
 
Thanks for the recommendations. I definitely need to watch more Jousei. Some shows that I can see now are under that bracket have actually been on my list for a while, like Honey and Clover and Restaurant Paradiso. Are those any good? I suppose that show about the ghost of the florist would also be a jousei too? Or I suppose it's less a specific genre a more just stuff that's a bit more mature, less violent and less sexist? Sounds good.
 
Captaaainuniverse said:
80's and early 90's were the "video nasties" era, a lot of adult focused I.p that finished their run on short or feature length films that were either heavily cut or banned from sale. And yup, these days there's far more lax attitude to the more mature content and it's a little easier for organisations like the BBFC to define ratings on content without making lots of cuts, so studios do now tend to make a series rather than one off ovas that won't see a sequel for 2 or 3 years
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I was talking more about Japan's rental video market rather than the UK. Cannibal Holocaust made over a billion yen in cinema and home releases for example. You had a lot of weird films that were banned or running into censorship problems in their home country and getting released with relative ease in Japan. They also released some pretty extreme stuff on home video themselves with stuff like the Guinea Pig and Rapeman series. Admittedly the Japanese film industry in the 1970's film industry had devolved into genre and exploitation material (Toei Pinky Violence and Nikkatsu Roman Porno films etc.), so they just continued down that path once VCRs became mainstream.

The home video market as well as the bubble economy freed up studios to pretty much release whatever the hell they could convince financial backers to cough up cash for. Stuff like Angel Cop and Mad Bull 34 are obviously inspired by B-grade US exploitation and action flicks.

You said that there's more lax attitude the content, but I have to disagree. Certainly you don't see nipples in anime on TV anymore unless it's an ancient TV series being rebroadcast by Tokyo MX. As for OVAs, maybe in the mid 1980's studios were releasing one part a year (Iczer 1 and Megazone 23 come to mind), but by 1987 they had two to six part series (some as long as 13 parts) coming out every second or third month or a little more. Occasionally there would be long delays (the final OVA to Giant Robo literally took years), but most OVAs stuck to their schedule.
 
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Certainly you don't see nipples in anime on TV anymore unless it's an ancient TV series being rebroadcast by Tokyo MX
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Very interesting look into where the industry was back then but I'd have to point you to a few broadcasters that do (im not familiar enough with Japan's networks to know who but some do put a show up uncensored) and something like shimoneta that did had a later broadcast which was the uncensored version. Not done for every series but again the networks don't tend to censor later showings
 
Captaaainuniverse said:
Very interesting look into where the industry was back then but I'd have to point you to a few broadcasters that do (im not familiar enough with Japan's networks to know who but some do put a show up uncensored) and something like shimoneta that did had a later broadcast which was the uncensored version. Not done for every series but again the networks don't tend to censor later showings
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That's interesting, didn't know that. Usually for the initial broadcast some of the ecchi stuff it's censored a bit, lost of well placed steam in onsen scenes and the like.
Vashdaman said:
I definitely need to watch more Jousei. Some shows that I can see now are under that bracket have actually been on my list for a while, like Honey and Clover and Restaurant Paradiso. Are those any good? I suppose that show about the ghost of the florist would also be a jousei too? Or I suppose it's less a specific genre a more just stuff that's a bit more mature, less violent and less sexist?
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I liked Honey and Clover a lot. Sort of reminded me a lot of Paradise Kiss. The mangaka for Honey and Clover also did March Comes in Like a Lion. Natsuyuki Rendezvous is most definitely josei, another show I liked. Also Nodame Cantabile might be up your alley if you like those other shows. There is mature themes in josei of course. I'm not overly into the genre (more a very casual fan of it), but it seems that in it's infancy the 1970's it was far more shocking than it is now. See Riyoko Ikeda's manga, especially "Oniisama e..." which has incest, a bit of violence and deceptions of drug addictions, though it's hardly as gratuitous as Go Nagai, it's far more subtle in it's depictions. Osamu Dezaki's early 1990's anime adaption is fantastic show (sadly out of print on DVD and not streaming anywhere legally as far as I know).
 
The reason later showings tend to be less censored is that TV in Japan is still very regional and the major broadcasters prefer to censor in most regions; there will be complaints from conservative parents even if lewd content is shown in the early hours. When reruns are shown on a premium anime channel, there are no such concerns; they’re just popped on at appropriate times and the broadcaster isn’t under so much pressure. Actual additional content intended for BD isn’t usually screened though.

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When you think about it, it does seem a bit ridiculous that shows are even labelled "jousei" in the first place. Shows like nasuyuki rendezvous and are just serious human dramas. Why should they be labelled 'women's anime'? It's quite silly. Is it just because the Writers are female? I've said this before a while ago, but I think the anime/manga industry suffers from too much gender specificity. There's girls anime, boys anime, women's anime ect. Of course there will be crossover and many girls who like shonen and vice versa, but I don't think it helps the feeling that there's a sharp sex divide in anime fandom.
 
Vashdaman said:
When you think about it, it does seem a bit ridiculous that shows are even labelled "jousei" in the first place. Shows like nasuyuki rendezvous and are just serious human dramas. Why should they be labelled 'women's anime'? It's quite silly. Is it just because the Writers are female? I've said this before a while ago, but I think the anime/manga industry suffers from too much gender specificity. There's girls anime, boys anime, women's anime ect. Of course there will be crossover and many girls who like shonen and vice versa, but I don't think it helps the feeling that there's a sharp sex divide in anime fandom.
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To be fair pretty much every product (and that includes media) has a target market, it's probably just that in the West it might be more controversial to state outright that something is aimed primarily at girls or boys, men or women. But you can bet the marketers discuss these things in the boardroom and audiences are still targeted that way here. Of course there's nothing wrong with enjoying something that you're not the target market for at least I hope not given how many cartoons for pre-teen girls I enjoy but in general, you can usually pin down who a majority of consumers are going to be. Nice as it might be to have inclusive products, things that try to appeal to everyone usually end up appealing to no-one - I'd say it's probably near impossible to create anything successful which doesn't have a specific target demographic in mind so those genres, whether they're openly labelled as such or not, are going to stick around.

I don't think the genre classifications have a lot to do with the writer's gender. I mean logically, it's going to be the case that more women write for girls and women and more men write for boys and men (as people are more inclined to write from their own perspective and experience of life) but there are definitely exceptions. Rumiko Takahashi for example has almost always written Shonen and Seinen manga, and she is very sucessful and highly regarded.
 
ayase said:
Rumiko Takahashi for example has almost always written Shonen and Seinen manga, and she is very sucessful and highly regarded.
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Fullmetal Alchemist is also written by a female. It's currently the third highest rated manga on MAL and its (fully adaptated) anime is the highest rated!
 
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