The US election result: your thoughts? (serious)

[Outlawstar]

I see CG has finally come round to this way of thinking too as he has decided not to bother arguing against the points Outlaw and I raised against his arguments, which is ironic as he was berating me for doing exactly the same thing not long ago. Of course he's likely to say that this is a bizzaire, ridiculous, acusation that he's positively incredulous at.

You've got me all wrong, ayase; Firstly, I can spell the words 'bizarre' and 'accusation' correctly. Secondly, I can use words like 'incredulous' in a gramatically acceptable fashion. Nice try, though ;]

And if you're wondering why I'm not replying to your "points", it's because instead of wording your own points in the context of this thread, yourself and Outlawstar in particular are relying on links to verbose nonsense. This nonsense is not taken seriously by anyone with the exception of those on the fringe of all-consuming anti-Americanism (see Outlawstar's posts for reference). I'm not going to legitmise this nonsense by properly debating it. When I called Outlawstar's "evidence" flimsy and biased, I was simply being polite. I am uninterested (again, to put it mildly) in your opinion that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government. You can stop clutching at straws now.

Also, just ftr, I did read through portions of that garbage you linked to. One of the them said that, essentially, America was to blame for the Japanese attack on it's Pearl Harbour fleet because they somehow knew it was coming and failed to react. And that they done this to gain entry into World War II.

Yeah, I rest my case.

Now, if you want to discuss this, I suggest you make a thread all about it. Please don't hijack a thread on the election of Barack Obama.

CG you are sounding more and more desperate by the minute, not only have I provided evidence, but irrefutable facts showing exactly what I previously stated to be true, including de-classified government documents.
If anyone is clutching at straws its you.

And for someone so scientifically minded, Im surprised how easily you pass off things just because they dont fit with your perception of reality, like I said before, and this goes to everyone.

THE OFFICIAL STORY OF 9/11 CAN AND HAS BEEN TORN TO SHREDS.

Now CG before you go pretending to know what your talking about I suggest you do your research.

 

[ayase]

And if you're wondering why I'm not replying to your "points", it's because instead of wording your own points in the context of this thread, yourself and Outlawstar in particular are relying on links to verbose nonsense. This nonsense is not taken seriously by anyone with the exception of those on the fringe of all-consuming anti-Americanism (see Outlawstar's posts for reference). I'm not going to legitmise this nonsense by properly debating it. When I called Outlawstar's "evidence" flimsy and biased, I was simply being polite. I am uninterested (again, to put it mildly) in your opinion that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government. You can stop clutching at straws now.

Have you read a single one of my posts in the last two pages? Where did I say 9/11 was an inside job? Where have I linked to anything besides the train derailment vid?

I'm beginning to suspect that you're the most elaborate trolling experiment ever created. The petty spelling pedantry would certainly fit in with that.

You still haven't answered my points about how our friendship with Saudi Arabia fits in with your and the government's view that we are / should be fighting Islamic Extremism. Whoops! I forgot, Saudi Arabia's nothing to do with Obama, except somehow when you decide to bring it up in an attempt to counter Outlaw's arguments! How come you were happy to talk about these things yesterday and now want only to discuss Obama? shouldn't you just have not responded to the things Outlaw & I said in the first place? Seems you want to have your say without having to justify what it is you do say, which is a crucial difference between us.

 

[Outlawstar]

This nonsense is not taken serious...tmise this nonsense by properly debating it.

Seriously CG, how can you fall victim to such ignorant generalisations.
The reality is your passing off something you know NOTHING about.

And "not taken seriously by anyone except those on the frinnge of all consuming Anti-americanism?".
You are so wrong here, you really are, and I can prove it to you, would you like me to post links, or should I just assume youll pretend yo read them like you did before having originally been the one who asked me to back up what Im saying.

 

[CitizenGeek]

How come you were happy to talk about these things yesterday and now want only to discuss Obama?

It was intriguing yesterday. It isn't any more. Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue with your sky-is-falling assessment of my character as being troll-like? There's always one AUKN member who is so excruciatingly immature that they freak out when anyone disagrees with them, and resorts to petty, overwrought character assassinations. I guess you're that member in this thread, ayase ;]

 

[Outlawstar]

How come you were happy to talk about these things yesterday and now want only to discuss Obama?

It was intriguing yesterday. It isn't any more. Does that answer your question, or would you like to continue with your sky-is-falling assessment of my character as being troll-like? There's always one AUKN member who is so excruciatingly immature that they freak out when anyone disagrees with them, and resorts to petty, overwrought character assassinations. I guess you're that member in this thread, ayase ;]

CG you do realise youve basically described yourself in regards to this thread?

 

[CitizenGeek]

Yeah, fine, whatever. All that I post is wrong and heinous and I'm a troll. Whatever. Can we talk about Barack Obama now?

 

[Outlawstar]

Yeah, fine, whatever. All that I post is wrong and heinous and I'm a troll. Whatever. Can we talk about Barack Obama now?

Ok seeing as youve conceded defeat, lets talk Obama.
Interesting fact, did you know Obama is related to both Bush and Cheney?

 

[ayase]

There's always one AUKN member who is so excruciatingly immature that they freak out when anyone disagrees with them, and resorts to petty, overwrought character assassinations. I guess you're that member in this thread, ayase ;]

I think the appropriate way to respond the that is ROFLMAO.

Kettle's Black!

 

[Ammish]

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread because I absolutely hate topic on America's new President and I've got nothing but negativity and hatred for the American Goverment.

But I'm glad Obama has won. He just have good ideas which could benefit the country.

As for 9/11... It is a cover-up. My friend has got 'lots' of proof, proving that the 9/11 is a scandal. A plane cannot knock down the Twin Towers at all =P

 

[Outlawstar]

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread because I absolutely hate topic on America's new President and I've got nothing but negativity and hatred for the American Goverment.

But I'm glad Obama has won. He just have good ideas which could benefit the country.

As for 9/11... It is a cover-up. My friend has got 'lots' of proof, proving that the 9/11 is a scandal. A plane cannot knock down the Twin Towers at all =P

Finally, someone who sees through the blatant lies, at this stage the official story is laughable.It disgusts me that any government would do that to its own people.
Im not arguing this point for the sake of winning an argument,Im doing it for the sake of truth.

And it makes me even more sick that it looks like bush and cheney are gonna get off scot-free.Boils my blood

 

[Gundam Junkie]

To ayase: I aplogise, I thought it was you who wrote it.

I obviously missed who said it first.

 

[Ammish]

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread because I absolutely hate topic on America's new President and I've got nothing but negativity and hatred for the American Goverment.

But I'm glad Obama has won. He just have good ideas which could benefit the country.

As for 9/11... It is a cover-up. My friend has got 'lots' of proof, proving that the 9/11 is a scandal. A plane cannot knock down the Twin Towers at all =P

Finally, someone who sees through the blatant lies, at this stage the official story is laughable.It disgusts me that any government would do that to its own people.
Im not arguing this point for the sake of winning an argument,Im doing it for the sake of truth.

And it makes me even more sick that it looks like bush and cheney are gonna get off scot-free.Boils my blood

Well... Since America lies nearly all the time. I wouldn't believe them anyway. That's my sole reason I hate America a lot. They lie to their own country and expect them to be proud of being 'american'?

If I was their citizen, I tell the goverment to **** themselves for all I care. The 9/11 is a scam... I saw a video of it that my friend show and it is proof... It wasn't a plane, it looked more like a... 'MISSILE' It was the sole reason of kicking up more than a fuss with the terrorist and Islamic nation.

I'm not saying the terrorist hasn't done anything wrong. But truly, America is the true terrorist. And they got themselves in a situation where they can't leave it alone.

 

[Outlawstar]

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread because I absolutely hate topic on America's new President and I've got nothing but negativity and hatred for the American Goverment.

But I'm glad Obama has won. He just have good ideas which could benefit the country.

As for 9/11... It is a cover-up. My friend has got 'lots' of proof, proving that the 9/11 is a scandal. A plane cannot knock down the Twin Towers at all =P

Finally, someone who sees through the blatant lies, at this stage the official story is laughable.It disgusts me that any government would do that to its own people.
Im not arguing this point for the sake of winning an argument,Im doing it for the sake of truth.

And it makes me even more sick that it looks like bush and cheney are gonna get off scot-free.Boils my blood

Well... Since America lies nearly all the time. I wouldn't believe them anyway. That's my sole reason I hate America a lot. They lie to their own country and expect them to be proud of being 'american'?

If I was their citizen, I tell the goverment to **** themselves for all I care. The 9/11 is a scam... I saw a video of it that my friend show and it is proof... It wasn't a plane, it looked more like a... 'MISSILE' It was the sole reason of kicking up more than a fuss with the terrorist and Islamic nation.

I'm not saying the terrorist hasn't done anything wrong. But truly, America is the true terrorist. And they got themselves in a situation where they can't leave it alone.

Although I agree with you, never make the mistake of saying I hate America, the people of America are the real victims and the real evil are those that are in power, and to a greater extent, those that control those that are in power.

 

[Arbalest]

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread because I absolutely hate topic on America's new President and I've got nothing but negativity and hatred for the American Goverment.

But I'm glad Obama has won. He just have good ideas which could benefit the country.

As for 9/11... It is a cover-up. My friend has got 'lots' of proof, proving that the 9/11 is a scandal. A plane cannot knock down the Twin Towers at all =P

Finally, someone who sees through the blatant lies, at this stage the official story is laughable.It disgusts me that any government would do that to its own people.
Im not arguing this point for the sake of winning an argument,Im doing it for the sake of truth.

And it makes me even more sick that it looks like bush and cheney are gonna get off scot-free.Boils my blood

Well... Since America lies nearly all the time. I wouldn't believe them anyway. That's my sole reason I hate America a lot. They lie to their own country and expect them to be proud of being 'american'?

If I was their citizen, I tell the goverment to **** themselves for all I care. The 9/11 is a scam... I saw a video of it that my friend show and it is proof... It wasn't a plane, it looked more like a... 'MISSILE' It was the sole reason of kicking up more than a fuss with the terrorist and Islamic nation.

I'm not saying the terrorist hasn't done anything wrong. But truly, America is the true terrorist. And they got themselves in a situation where they can't leave it alone.

Although I agree with you, never make the mistake of saying I hate America, the people of America are the real victims and the real evil are those that are in power, and to a greater extent, those that control those that are in power.

You know, on that note, you see a lot of people, or at least i do, who say they hate americans and then they generalise them to be power hungry, war crazy, and stupid, no doubt more as well but these tend to be the main ones. To be honest i don't see that as a fair assessment..or overview of them, thats more the select few, and unfortunately it just so happens their soon-to-be former president Bush is one that falls into that generalisation. The majority of americans i know are none of that, and would rather live without a war or whatever everytime a new president is elected. With Obama, i expect the chance of any type of fued including the military on any sizeable level will be less likely than it has been for the past so many years.

 

[CitizenGeek]

Wow, there is a whole lot of crazy in this thread. Thanks ayase, Outlawstar and Chrono ;]

 

[Outlawstar]

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread because I absolutely hate topic on America's new President and I've got nothing but negativity and hatred for the American Goverment.

But I'm glad Obama has won. He just have good ideas which could benefit the country.

As for 9/11... It is a cover-up. My friend has got 'lots' of proof, proving that the 9/11 is a scandal. A plane cannot knock down the Twin Towers at all =P

Finally, someone who sees through the blatant lies, at this stage the official story is laughable.It disgusts me that any government would do that to its own people.
Im not arguing this point for the sake of winning an argument,Im doing it for the sake of truth.

And it makes me even more sick that it looks like bush and cheney are gonna get off scot-free.Boils my blood

Well... Since America lies nearly all the time. I wouldn't believe them anyway. That's my sole reason I hate America a lot. They lie to their own country and expect them to be proud of being 'american'?

If I was their citizen, I tell the goverment to **** themselves for all I care. The 9/11 is a scam... I saw a video of it that my friend show and it is proof... It wasn't a plane, it looked more like a... 'MISSILE' It was the sole reason of kicking up more than a fuss with the terrorist and Islamic nation.

I'm not saying the terrorist hasn't done anything wrong. But truly, America is the true terrorist. And they got themselves in a situation where they can't leave it alone.

Although I agree with you, never make the mistake of saying I hate America, the people of America are the real victims and the real evil are those that are in power, and to a greater extent, those that control those that are in power.

You know, on that note, you see a lot of people, or at least i do, who say they hate americans and then they generalise them to be power hungry, war crazy, and stupid, no doubt more as well but these tend to be the main ones. To be honest i don't see that as a fair assessment..or overview of them, thats more the select few, and unfortunately it just so happens their soon-to-be former president Bush is one that falls into that generalisation. The majority of americans i know are none of that, and would rather live without a war or whatever everytime a new president is elected. With Obama, i expect the chance of any type of fued including the military on any sizeable level will be less likely than it has been for the past so many years.

Couldint agree more Arbalest, the Americans I know are the same, obviously there are those that are the complete opposite, but generalisations arent gonna help anyone.

 

[Outlawstar]

Wow, there is a whole lot of crazy in this thread. Thanks ayase, Outlawstar and Chrono ;]

:roll:

 

[Ammish]

Wow, there is a whole lot of crazy in this thread. Thanks ayase, Outlawstar and Chrono ;]

Thank you Citizengeek for pointing out the obvious Though it's not nice to accuse us of it when you're the root of it, right? ANYONE?!? Anyway, Screw you. I'm not falling into your trap and watching me being 'me'. So all I say is **** your simple-minded cheap attempt to get the last word over us. Because you're being a idiot

I can't believe I'm posting in this thread because I absolutely hate topic on America's new President and I've got nothing but negativity and hatred for the American Goverment.

But I'm glad Obama has won. He just have good ideas which could benefit the country.

As for 9/11... It is a cover-up. My friend has got 'lots' of proof, proving that the 9/11 is a scandal. A plane cannot knock down the Twin Towers at all =P

Finally, someone who sees through the blatant lies, at this stage the official story is laughable.It disgusts me that any government would do that to its own people.
Im not arguing this point for the sake of winning an argument,Im doing it for the sake of truth.

And it makes me even more sick that it looks like bush and cheney are gonna get off scot-free.Boils my blood

Well... Since America lies nearly all the time. I wouldn't believe them anyway. That's my sole reason I hate America a lot. They lie to their own country and expect them to be proud of being 'american'?

If I was their citizen, I tell the goverment to **** themselves for all I care. The 9/11 is a scam... I saw a video of it that my friend show and it is proof... It wasn't a plane, it looked more like a... 'MISSILE' It was the sole reason of kicking up more than a fuss with the terrorist and Islamic nation.

I'm not saying the terrorist hasn't done anything wrong. But truly, America is the true terrorist. And they got themselves in a situation where they can't leave it alone.

Although I agree with you, never make the mistake of saying I hate America, the people of America are the real victims and the real evil are those that are in power, and to a greater extent, those that control those that are in power.

You know, on that note, you see a lot of people, or at least i do, who say they hate americans and then they generalise them to be power hungry, war crazy, and stupid, no doubt more as well but these tend to be the main ones. To be honest i don't see that as a fair assessment..or overview of them, thats more the select few, and unfortunately it just so happens their soon-to-be former president Bush is one that falls into that generalisation. The majority of americans i know are none of that, and would rather live without a war or whatever everytime a new president is elected. With Obama, i expect the chance of any type of fued including the military on any sizeable level will be less likely than it has been for the past so many years.

Couldint agree more Arbalest, the Americans I know are the same, obviously there are those that are the complete opposite, but generalisations arent gonna help anyone.

I have to agree there. Even though I still agree with my points, but some of them are just 'anti-american'. I have spoken with Americans over the net and they do feel bad about their own country and the goverment. And I'm sure there are politicians there who don't agree with it.

I'm just glad that Obama has won. But I don't want him to fall into traps that George W Bush has been into. There's nothing more wrong that creating events, then hiding them with 'false' truth. And that what's make me hate them... even though I shouldn't generalise them.

 

[Outlawstar]

But I'm glad Obama has won. He just have good ideas which could benefit the country.

Ideas from politicians usually stay that way.
But still, I do hope they become more than that.

On another not, did anyone catch his conference, when he said, "a nuclear armed Iran is unnacceptabe", if you ask me thats just asking for trouble, when it comes to military capabilities, Iran is a whole different ball game to Iraq.
Sounds like Bush to me, more world policing.

 

[Arbalest]

But I'm glad Obama has won. He just have good ideas which could benefit the country.

Ideas from politicians usually stay that way.
But still, I do hope they become more than that.

On another not, did anyone catch his conference, when he said, "a nuclear armed Iran is unnacceptabe", if you ask me thats just asking for trouble, when it comes to military capabilities, Iran is a whole different ball game to Iraq.
Sounds like Bush to me, more world policing.

I did hear that yeah, it may sound like world policing, but it'll all depend on how Obama approaches the subject, from what i can tell he will be looking for a chance to open negotiations with them, but how far they go will be another thing. Iran's president/prime minister i think did mention he was glad Obama won, so could that also add to more chance of negotiations panning out?