Outlawstar said:
First of all, to Citizengeek I wholeheartedly disagree with you on having more troops in Afghanistan, because Im not sure about you but Im not in the buisness of enjoying another country killing thousands of innocent people in the name of "terrorism", how can you be so naive?, how can anyone?
I think you're being naive, Outlawstar. No one "enjoys" killing other people, and "killing people" is not the reason US troops are in Afganistan. Honestly, this kind of anti-American sentiment is - to be entirely frank - absolute ********. And I'm sick of it. Sure, the US was wrong to invade Iraq and US foreign policy isn't entirely pleasant; but how could it be? The US is a massive superpower with huge interests all over the world: a tough foreign policy is required to maintain this (that said, I do hope Obama tones it down a little).
I don't think you should be so flippant about terrorism. It is very real.
And the fight against "Islamic extremism", come on CG, throw me a bone here, youve been utterly suckered in, and I dont blame you tbh, the media has done a great job on us.
You've been suckered in by the anti-America bandwagon, it seems. If you don't think Islamic extremism is real, then I'd like to ask you something: On what planet are you living? There is a minority of Muslims that detest the West for it's freedom (I understand this sounds empty given it's over-usage by Bush, but it is nonetheless true). These Muslims are willing to kill themselves in order to inflict damage on the West, and they're not just going to give up if the West pulls out of the Middle East. It is outrageously naive of you to claim that Islamic extremism is an invention of the media. Why don't you check out Saudi Arabia (where women are not allowed to drive, and even fast food restaurants are segregated on the basis of gender) or Iran, where teenagers have been executed for being gay and young women murdered in "honour killings" for refusing to be sexually oppressed. Iran and Saudi Arabia are but two examples - this kind of extremism is prevalent throughout the Middle East and Islamic Africa. The people pulling these strings hate the West and want to do us harm. And so, we must fight back and we must not underestimate their drive. We need to reach out to the reasonable majority of Muslims and help them break free from the extremist minority, but in the mean time we need to keep fighting them on the ground. Reality, it seems, is looked down upon with disdain by the mindless anti-America brigade, but it is nontheless reality. The bombings on London, Bali, Madrid and New York were very real and there have been many more attempts by extremists, too.
Both Terrorism and Islamic extremism both CANNOT be completely abolished, its IMPOSSIBLE, the whole thing is a FAIRYTALE, anyone with half a brain knows exactly why the Americans are over there.
Perhaps you are right, but the West is at least 'winning' in Iraq against Islamic jihadis and slowly, but surely, we might just beat them completely.
It will hit all the harder when they realize that Obama is going to keep the wars going, expand to a greater conflict, take more money, censor free-speech(i.e the internet and radio, this is all fact, this is whats planned for the net.) and generally take away even more liberties and freedoms from the people all in the name of "Terrorists", gimme a break.
You really are very ill-informed, Outlawstar. Obama doesn't support censoring the internet, TV or radio (and I fail to see why that relates to "terrorists"). You're merely rambling your mindless anti-American talking points, I'm afraid.
THE ONLY GODAMNN TERRORISTS WERE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, thanks to them America is on the verge of faschism and it looks like Obama is going to finish the job.
Again, rambling. 130 million Americans voted in an historic election last Tuesday. This is a sign of a country on the verge of fascism? Honestly, what are you talking about?
Sorry if I came across harsh, this is my opinion, I hate how people so easily believe what they are told.
As do I. Unfortunately, we would seem to disagree on who is being mislead.
And seeing as you bring up 9/11, anyone who still believes the official story needs a wake up call.
The official story can easily be ripped apart from start to finish.
I guess I should have expected it, after that awful mess of nonsense anti-American rhetoric you had previously posted, but I was still genuinely surprised that you deny the facts of 9/11.
I wish he was still the Lib Dem's leader, what do I care if he's a drunk? He still would have run the country better than Faux Labour and a guy who listened to God whilst refusing to talk about it.
