The effects of 4chan on the mind...

[Gemma1412]

Women can enjoy pornography as well can't they?

I'm yet to find one. Maybe the stuff that's respectful is hard to find... which is kind of the problem if we're talking kids again. I hear gay porn is nice, but it's hard to enjoy that sexually when you're not involved. Kind of a barrier...

I think rather than promoting anything, porn exists because of fantasies people already have. No-one goes looking for something unless they have a desire to see it in the first place.

A naked woman isn't enough when it's so easy to find. Something needs to fill that urge, so something; more edgy, more unacceptable to fill the need and add to the thrill.. So it condones it... When somethings being done without any acknowledgment of it being bad then it's condoning it, surely?

Sex isn't just the bland reproductive process kids are taught about in school. People need to realise it's for pleasure and not to be ashamed of it, and that if two (or one, or several) people enjoy doing anything sexual together then it isn't wrong.

I absolutely agree, but like i said, i've never seen a porn that promotes/condones this... Porn, or at least straight porn, tends to be very male centric. But there was a tv program about sex for the 21st century girl which my Mum and I watched and.. while, hell, i wouldn't do some of it, i'm glad it explored fetishes.

When 4chan comes into play, and especially when considering that their aim was to shock children and parents, i can only imagine it being the very worst of the fetishes. Maybe i'm wrong... but that's what 4chan means to me.

 

[CitizenGeek]

C'mon, ayase, if you think sex and porn and the same thing, you're being very naive. Pornography is not something I'm opposed to, but I've no doubt it's damaging to people under the appropriate age.

 

[CitizenGeek]

Wait, do we even know what kind of porn it was? It's kinda generalising saying all porn is misogynistic or sadistic... Women can enjoy pornography as well can't they? I think rather than promoting anything, porn exists because of fantasies people already have. No-one goes looking for something unless they have a desire to see it in the first place.

Porn is porn. That is, graphic depictions of sex. Children and most teenagers shouldn't be exposed to it, or have access to it. Women do enjoy porn, though to a much lesser extent than men, I'd imagine. Most porn is misogynistic, in fairness. I don't know how you can deny that.

Sex isn't just the bland reproductive process kids are taught about in school. People need to realise it's for pleasure and not to be ashamed of it, and that if two (or one, or several) people enjoy doing anything sexual together then it isn't wrong.

Children are thought about condoms and such; obviously it's not just being represented as a bland reproductive function! Sex is great fun, but I'm not sure if porn is the best education tool. If anything, it completely inflates expectations and perhaps promotes an unhealthy image of sex.

 

[Will-O'-The-Wisp]

Children are thought about condoms and such; obviously it's not just being represented as a bland reproductive function! Sex is great fun, but I'm not sure if porn is the best education tool. If anything it completely inflates expectations and perhaps promotes an unhealthy image of sex.

I'm going to have to second this. The problem with exposing porn to the young masses is they build up their view and expectations of sex on porn, thinking what they do in the lovely blue movies is common. Next thing you know, you've got 15 year old teens thinking any breast size below a C is unacceptable, claim they have an 8" cock and that they frequently screw women over snooker tables.

 

[CitizenGeek]

I'm not quite sure if most teenagers are behaving like that right now (in fact, being 18 myself and having a 16-year sister with whom I'm very close, I'm pretty sure I know they're not), but Will-O's scenario is a very real, frightening possibility. And that's why porn for underage teens (I'm thinking it's not a good idea for teens below the age of 17 to look at porn) or anyone younger is a very bad idea and why 4chan's exposing of porn to this demographic is reprehensible.

 

[shira]

Children are thought about condoms and such; obviously it's not just being represented as a bland reproductive function! Sex is great fun, but I'm not sure if porn is the best education tool. If anything it completely inflates expectations and perhaps promotes an unhealthy image of sex.

I'm going to have to second this. The problem with exposing porn to the young masses is they build up their view and expectations of sex on porn, thinking what they do in the lovely blue movies is common. Next thing you know, you've got 15 year old teens thinking any breast size below a C is unacceptable, claim they have an 8" cock and that they frequently screw women over snooker tables.

That's true where I live.

 

[fabio de lunatico]

When I were a lad it were all fields 'round 'ere, and the only porn you could get was nth generation VHS that was so grainy you could barely make out who was sticking what where.

But there's really no excuse for people to be uploading porn to Youtube, and their attempts to justify it are laughable.

 

[Tachi]

Children are taught* about condoms and such; obviously it's not just being represented as a bland reproductive function! Sex is great fun, but I'm not sure if porn is the best education tool. If anything, it completely inflates expectations and perhaps promotes an unhealthy image of sex.

I agree that exposure to porn is affecting the minds of each generation.
Anyone watch a tv show that was on tv about a month ago? it was on channel 4 and was called sex education VS pornograghy and outlined everything, from sexual health to the affect porn is having on people.

Because of porn people have changed the way they are. pornstars have influenced both sexes and i'll put my hand up and say that yeah i'm affected by that too.
People's views on the ideal partner have been altered from natural sized bodies....to....women are now expected to have C or D, DD in cases too. hourglass, toned bodies, sexy little arses and flawless hair. (in some respects its the RL version of some anime. if you think about it.) and on the other foot guys are expected to be hung like a horse. have a 6pack or 4 at best. an amazing tan. waxed every other hair thats not on their head. have ripped muscles and basically both sexes have to be built like gods.

and i dare say....there will be alot of people who read that and understand atleast one thing that they themselves can personally relate to.

I mentioned that i've been affected by these expectations.
I've put off getting a tattoo for 2 years for 1 reason. i felt i wasn't bulky enough in the arms. and that if i got a tattoo....it'd look crap unless i built my arms up. so i started weights. and yeah it's worked really well...but it was still something thats affected me so much that i was consciously concerned that it wouldn't be appealing unless i changed to the "ideal" look.

anyone else have any personal experiences that have changed them in some way because of the porn industries visions and expectations?

 

[MaxonTreik]

anyone else have any personal experiences that have changed them in some way because of the porn industries visions and expectations?

I've never experienced it, but I do have some insecurities due to the ideals that porn pushes onto people. I worry about them alot.

 

[Derfel]

1, There is in this thread an attack against fetish porn.

Let me ask, why exactly is it that you would condemn fetishism? Those people have an urge, they are looking for something peculiar. It isn't because they have chosen to be weird in the head, it just developed. You are merely stating "Oh, because I find you weird, I shall impose my moral system upon you and hereby brand you a ******* weirdo! Hahh!"

2, Porn is misogynistic? Oh noes, femdom is misandristic, BAAAAN. I can't ******* bear the thought! Oh! INow honestly, porn is (the official stuff is) between consenting adults who are paid for what they do. Where is the problem?

3, Should not be shown to any audience? It plays a totally obvious role, people go and bash off to it. The ****'s a 16 yo kid meant to beat off to? Snow White? Come on, please return to reality.

 

[Tachi]

1, There is in this thread an attack against fetish porn.

Let me ask, why exactly is it that you would condemn fetishism? Those people have an urge, they are looking for something peculiar. It isn't because they have chosen to be weird in the head, it just developed. You are merely stating "Oh, because I find you weird, I shall impose my moral system upon you and hereby brand you a ******* weirdo! Hahh!"

lol necrophilia anyone?

2, Porn is misogynistic? Oh noes, femdom is misandristic, BAAAAN. I can't ******* bear the thought! Oh! INow honestly, porn is (the official stuff is) between consenting adults who are paid for what they do. Where is the problem?

Honestly i don't have a problem with porn. i watch it. all i have against it...is the affects on people to all look like pornstars (in essence). whatever happend to loving the way a normal body looks? why should teens feel the need to want boob jobs when their older, disregarding that they haven't fully matured yet. thats when it becomes a problem. changing people from who they are at heart. to whats portraid to be perfection.

3, Should not be shown to any audience? It plays a totally obvious role, people go and bash off to it. The F***'s a 16 yo kid meant to beat off to? Snow White? Come on, please return to reality.

LMAO totally agree with that.

 

[ayase]

Well I dunno, maybe I'm watching the wrong (or right) kind of porn then, because all I see is men and women enjoying themselves and being paid for it. Yes, they're good looking people, but porn is a fantasy - perhaps the one point I'll concede is that kids might not realise that, but isn't it humanity's quest to realise their dreams? If these "unrealistic expectations" cause fat lazy people to want to get fit, then isn't that better for them than banning it because it makes them feel uncomfortable? Genetic engineering will eventually take care of the rest...

I don't think anyone even needs to justify uploading porn to YouTube. It was bound to happen at some point and the more people know about the world the better off they are. If we're taking naivety then sheltering kids from reality just serves to breed more naive people. It doesn't matter how horrific anyone finds something - perhaps if everyone knew more about it they would be in a position to change that. If things are kept on the edge of society then they can get away with being misogynistic or racist or whatever. These same things wouldn't be acceptable in mainstream society so I say bring porn into the open and make it better for everyone.

 

[fabio de lunatico]

I don't think anyone even needs to justify uploading porn to YouTube.

It cannot be justified for they have no right to upload pornography to Youtube. The site is privately owned and it contravenes the rules laid out by those owners. Most people don't visit Youtube to watch pornography and they should not be subject to it. If people wish to seek out this kind of material then there are eleventy billion places where they can do so.

I think it's important to protect childrens' innocence for as long as possible. They'll be exposed to all kinds of unpleasantness sooner or later, so why not let them enjoy the naivity of their increasingly brief childhood?

 

[ayase]

I don't think anyone even needs to justify uploading porn to YouTube.

It cannot be justified

I'm not attempting to justify it, I said it didn't need to be. Reason being it was just bound to happen one day. You can't stop people from doing what they want to do in a public place regardless of what rules you set. There are streakers at football games, and no-one there goes to see that. I think it's just time we accepted that we're repressed as a society and do not celebrate sex or nudity, instead making it seem dirty or wrong and trying to keep it hidden - which actually leads to pornography (and even things like lad's mags) being more seedy as a result.

I'm gonna sound pretty callous here but I've never understood what's so great about innocence. It's just ignorance by another name to me. The sooner people realise the truth the less hurt they are going to be that it was kept from them.

 

[Gemma1412]

I don't think anyone even needs to justify uploading porn to YouTube.

It cannot be justified

I think it's just time we accepted that we're repressed as a society and do not celebrate sex or nudity, instead making it seem dirty or wrong and trying to keep it hidden - which actually leads to pornography (and even things like lad's mags) being more seedy as a result.

I just don't understand why we're repressed... How many celebrities have stripped to be on the front cover of some stupid 'woman's lifestyle' mag? That's celebrating nudity... There was a program called Sex vs Porn just a couple of weeks ago... that looked at and compared both... this stuff was at like...5 or something... i mean, i couldn't tell you more, but i think we promote sex. we have adverts all over the place for condom use and protecting ourselves from STDs which are only saying, "be safe".

 

[fabio de lunatico]

Compared to some regions in the world we're postively enlightened when it comes to sexuality. I mean, our best-selling daily newspaper has a pair of tits within its pages, and nobody cares about that. We have a way to go, of course, and there remains a streak of puritanism running through our culture, but I don't consider us repressed.

You can't stop people from doing what they want to do in a public place regardless of what rules you set. There are streakers at football games, and no-one there goes to see that.

That's not on the same level as hardcore pornography spliced into childrens' videos on Youtube. Should we be okay with men loitering outside schools flashing children? I mean, it's just nudity. And it's not as if much pornography portrays realistic adult relationships; in recent yeras the US has produced increasingly aggressive material, with women being choked, spat on, slapped, and whatever else. I have no issue with consenting adults doing whatever they please, but is this what we want impressionable young people to watch?

 

[ayase]

But I think it's an attitude our society has that it's okay to give the illusion of sex, but not actually show it. Magazines (women's and mens) are a case in point. They're all suggestive - "Look, I'm almost naked, but I'm not 'cause that would be naughty" or "Look I'm sucking a lollipop / banana..." etc. I think that's worse for women and men because it paints women as flirts and teases rather than celebrating actual sex acts as natural and fantastic, which is what they are.

I'm not a fan of misogyny, to be sure, but if people are actually being hurt during pornography shouldn't that be illegal? I think it's keeping it hidden that allows that kind of thing to continue, as if more people knew it went on they would be more likely to raise concerns. It's similar to prostitution really - it has to be brought into the open before we can go about stopping some of the bad things that currently go on.

 

[Tachi]

to correct you gemma1412......it was AFTER the watershed (9pm) and was on channel 4. so it was justifiable...and informative.

 

[CitizenGeek]

There seems to be a suggestion that anything but total sexual liberation is unacceptable. I disagree, I think it's important to realise that sex can be for fun and such, but encouraging promiscuity and other unhealthy attitudes to sex is not such a good idea.

1, There is in this thread an attack against fetish porn.

Let me ask, why exactly is it that you would condemn fetishism? Those people have an urge, they are looking for something peculiar. It isn't because they have chosen to be weird in the head, it just developed. You are merely stating "Oh, because I find you weird, I shall impose my moral system upon you and hereby brand you a ******* weirdo! Hahh!"

I don't know where you've seen the attack on fetishism in this thread. I have no problem with any fetish as long as it's not harmful to anyone else (and the vast majority of fetishes are harmless)

2, Porn is misogynistic? Oh noes, femdom is misandristic, BAAAAN. I can't ******* bear the thought! Oh! INow honestly, porn is (the official stuff is) between consenting adults who are paid for what they do. Where is the problem?

"Femdom" is a relatively tiny proportion of the amount of porn out there. A lot of pornography is about degrading women which I'm uncomfortable with and which is obviously at least promoting misogyny. Most porn objectifies both men and women, though, so I guess it called be misogynistic in that sense.

3, Should not be shown to any audience? It plays a totally obvious role, people go and bash off to it. The F***'s a 16 yo kid meant to beat off to? Snow White? Come on, please return to reality.

No one ever said it shouldn't be shown to any audience. What's with the strawmen. And 16 year olds get off on softcore porn like topless women on TV or in magazines, etc. And that's how it should be! Hardcore porn can only be a bad thing for 16 year olds IMO.

I mentioned that i've been affected by these expectations.
I've put off getting a tattoo for 2 years for 1 reason. i felt i wasn't bulky enough in the arms. and that if i got a tattoo....it'd look crap unless i built my arms up. so i started weights. and yeah it's worked really well...but it was still something thats affected me so much that i was consciously concerned that it wouldn't be appealing unless i changed to the "ideal" look.

I don't think that's just pornography though. Popular culture in general promotes the idea of the perfect body.

 

[Zin5ki]

I saw posts on 4chan blatantly promoting this little prank some time ago. Upper-case reminders of the date and the plan of action. I didn't think it'd actually make the papers.

On a related note, there has for many years been non-nude pornography, or at least 'semi-pornographic material', on Youtube already, albeit with adult warning flags involved.