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Not a racist post, Factual evidence that no white british person has tried to blow up fellow countrymen in the last 10 years, but rather in the last few days a muslim has tried to blow up people in sweden. BBC news report on recent failed suicide bomber


Sorry if thats deemed racist to some, that i've just pinpointed factual evidence that the only nutters trying to blow people up seem to be muslims at the moment, and whats even more ironic is that the scummy bastard came to luton to learn how to make a bomb.

Not all muslims are nutjobs hell bent on blowing up other humans, there are a few warped people just ruining things for others (just like the extremist student protestors)
 
No, it's racist, and this is a formal warning to stop it.

There are plenty of dangerous "white British" people, and furthermore the colour of a person's skin does not dictate their religion. I don't think it's appropriate to slur Muslims on a public board for the actions of a criminal minority.

R

[Edit: Original post was edited since this reply and I didn't have time to sync in the changes.]
 
Fine, but if you read what i've wrote, i'm not slurring a religious group (and for the record, there are white muslims, and white christians as well as darker skinned muslims and christians, i haven't said anything bad about colour)


I'm merely giving facts across that only a select few nutters are blowing things up, and as i said above, their the ones spoiling it for the masses of good natured muslims.

plus, there's such a thing as "free speech" in this country, so as i'm not saying "all muslims are terrorists" i'm not being racist, i'm giving reference to a actual bombing, the origins of the hatred actually came from facebook if your up on your knowledge. A muslim woman posted a competition on facebook to draw the prophet muhammed, as stated on the tape that the bomber sent to the police in sweden before the blast; that was one of the reasons he tried to kill christmas shoppers in a shopping centre.

THe facebook competition was taken down from facebook and a public apology was posted on the main page of facebook for those in the east.

Although that wasn't enough for him, along with wanting british and american troops to pull out of iraq he decided that the best possible route to take action wasn't via peaceful protest, but rather through violence. thats not the correct way to go about getting what you want in life. as i've said 3 times now, i'm not slurring all muslims, i AM slurring the select few extremists who take things too far and try to kill innocent people, and if you want to defend people who try to kill others then your just as bad as them rui.
 
Tachi- said:
Fine, but if you read what i've wrote, i'm not slurring a religious group (and for the record, there are white muslims, and white christians as well as darker skinned muslims and christians, i haven't said anything bad about colour)

I believe that, for the record, I implied my knowledge of this through the phrase "furthermore the colour of a person's skin does not dictate their religion". Your original, deleted post implied that a white Briton was to be treated with a different level of prejudice to say, a Muslim (or by implication, a non-white Briton). I found that personally very hurtful, and a perfectly peaceful UK anime fan Muslim reading that would no doubt have found it hurtful as well.

I don't recall that the boy's religion was actually stated in the story, but as we are in agreement that white British Muslims do exist, it seemed unnecessary to bring skin colour and religion into things.

plus, there's such a thing as "free speech" in this country, so as i'm not saying "all muslims are terrorists" i'm not being racist, i'm giving reference to a actual bombing, the origins of the hatred actually came from facebook if your up on your knowledge. A muslim woman posted a competition on facebook to draw the prophet muhammed, as stated on the tape that the bomber sent to the police in sweden before the blast; that was one of the reasons he tried to kill christmas shoppers in a shopping centre.

This is a privately owned and run message board. You can say and do as you please in the real world within the confines of the law, but here there are special rules limiting absolute freedom of speech, and it has to be considered that the community here may be more multicultural than your usual peer groups. On the internet, it's impossible to tell what ethnicity or religion a reader might be unless they go out of their way to make it known, so it's best to bear that in mind. The free speech comment does not apply, I'm afraid.

The deleted post had nothing to do with the second news story.

i AM slurring the select few extremists who take things too far and try to kill innocent people, and if you want to defend people who try to kill others then your just as bad as them rui.

Bizarre closing statement noted. Every culture and major religion has problems with criminals. The word terrorism was synonymous with a certain prominent group of (mostly) white British Christians for a long time in the UK, so I directly disagree with the prejudice of your original deleted post. I agree that terrorists are wicked, obviously, but hopefully it is clear that I am intending to defend innocent people who would be hurt by reading strangers casually talking about their culture in a negative light. This is an anime forum. It's not a place for people to come and be made to feel bad for real life issues.

In the interests of not derailing this thread further, please can we take this to PM now I have explained myself, or I'll have to split (and no doubt eventually lock as it's the kind of topic which we are unlikely to reach amicable agreement upon) this tangent.

I am not willing to budge on this matter because I feel very strongly about racial prejudice. By all means think what you want and discuss it with your friends, but keep it off the boards, please.

R
 
Whatever,

i could quote laws that state that freedom of speech does infact cover the internet, and that private or not. the point that this is publicly accessable to the world means it abides by the laws of the land (in which the UK agree with freedom of speech online aswell as in real life) but i find that pointless and worthless on you.

lets just leave it at you have your opinions and the world has facts.
 
I think you will find that most freedom of speech rules in this country at large exempt the freedom to say things which make other people feel miserable about their race, beliefs or other immutable traits they happen to have.

You're free to say what you want on the internet or in person. We very openly have rules in this particular corner of it, and when posting here you're expected to follow them. It should be common sense in a multicultural society not to single out and insult specific cultures, I would have thought.

R
 
Okay so the first post may have been deemed racist, but maybe i didn't make myself too clear who i was trying to have a remark about.


Muslims in general are fine, i have muslim friends and they understand and agree with my views to terrorism, although a flippant remark and too general on my part, i have a deep seated hatred for idiots who kill others in the name of anything.

As Ayase said in the other thread, its been going on for hundreds of years, before terrorist bombers from iraq origins it was the irish blowing up each other (well, to be specific, the IRA) I don't understand why voicing my opinion about people who are scum (the extremists who try/kill others) is a problem, i'm not targetting a religion or colour... but it is certain extreme cases who go off in attempts to kill as many as possibl that as of late are from certain religions.

We (i guess i mean that as christians, despite being an athiest myself) have had our fair share of bad ideas in the past, wars and slavery to name a few. we've learnt that nothing is won through voilence, if you want something done then peaceful protest is a legal way of going about it. blowing up people serves little purpose for their cause.


Like the students, the majority of them are peaceful protesting. there's a group of violent (IMO Primitive) students who think that voilence will lead to the outcome they desire, truth is... the more someone creates violence the less their cause will be sympathised. i truly believe that if extremists are shunted to one side in the media and ignored. that they will give up OR get worse. by publicly showing where the idiot came from (luton) it advertises to other possible or hopeful suicide bombers to come to this town and learn in the arts of idiocy. Which if you saw your town being shown in such a bad light all the time i'm sure you'd feel strongly against those who seek to make it look worse.


Sure if people want something in life then go do something about it, by that i mean go get a job, send aid money or something and do your bit for a joint community where tensions are extinct.... but by going off with homemade bombs and killing someone you'll only ever raise racial tensions and lead to a civil war. i dunno, maybe some radicals want a civil war? i personally would prefer it if muppets with stupid ideas deciding to kill themselves went to a certain building and where allowed a guna nd a bullet and left to shoot themselves in the head.
 
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I could say a thing or two but who knows, I could 'hurt' a certain member with words. Poor thing, how hard it is to be you.
 
@ Durial; if that person who could get hurt with words is me then go ahead and say it, i don't mind, tbh it would take alot more than words to get me upset :p

@stu, i guess violence has helped in the past, im not truly one for all this PC ********, i'd just prefer to hear in the news about something decent for a change, not "tax's to increase" "terrorists bombing each other" "UK have highest pregnancy in EU" and "war on iraq"

Personally i'm tired of all the agro, either live in peace to an extent or leave each other alone (WRT Wars and terrorism)
and us having a higher teen pregnancy rate than any other country in the EU - why the hell say that? it makes the UK look worse, now i know the UK has problems.... but what gain do we have from the whole world knowing?

/rant
 
Tachi, generally when you're defending positions like this with increasingly long posts, it is called "digging your own grave".
 
If ever I had a tough post to type, this is it. My challenge is to convince you that Tachi's revenge fantasies are colored and flavored to appeal to coldhearted, tasteless junkies. Wait! Before you dismiss me as xenophobic, hear me out. What kind of loser wants to dress up Tachi's profit motive in the cloak of selfless altruism? A loser like Tachi. There are three fairly obvious problems with his imprecations, each of which needs to be addressed by any letter that attempts to disentangle people from the snares set by him and his legatees. First, he is—and I say this with no intended disrespect—sneaky. Second, there is considerable evidence to show that he is serious about wanting to prosecute, sentence, and label people as hateful lugs without the benefit of any evidence whatsoever. And third, he keeps missing my point. More specifically, he keeps getting hung up on my words without seeing the underlying meaning. For example, when I say that it is legitimate to have misgivings about lazy Tachi clones who violate values so important to our sense of community, Tachi seems incapable of realizing that what I'm really getting at is that to Tachi's mind, his decisions are based on reason. So that means that he can override nature, right? No, not right. The truth is that if Tachi wanted to, he could descend to character assassination and name calling. He could intensify or perpetuate philistinism. And he could destabilize the already volatile social fabric that he purportedly aims to save. We must unquestionably not allow Tachi to do any of these.

I am now in a position to define what I mean when I say that it disturbs me that these superficial thugs have so little tolerance for differing points of view. What I mean is that I have frequently criticized his unspoken plan to sharpen intergroup tensions. He usually addresses my criticisms by accusing me of escapism, exclusionism, child molestation, and halitosis. Tachi hopes that by delegitimizing me this way, no one will listen to me when I say that one of Tachi's most loyal protégés is known to have remarked, "75 million years ago, a galactic tyrant named Xenu solved the overpopulation problem of his 76-planet federation by transporting the excess people to Earth, chaining them to volcanoes, and dropping H-bombs on them." And there you have it: a direct quote from a primary source. The significance of that quote is that if Tachi were as bright as he thinks he is, he'd know that my current plan is to take personal action and take stock of what we know, identify areas for further research, and provide a useful starting point for debate on his pesky opinions. Yes, Tachi will draw upon the most powerful fires of Hell to tear that plan asunder, but if his flacks had even an ounce of integrity they would feed the starving, house the homeless, cure the sick, and still find wonder and awe in the sunrise and the moonlight.

Try as I may, I can't understand why Tachi would want to legitimize the fear and hatred of the privileged for the oppressed. What is often overlooked, however, is that when I say that he is at least partially right in that he is a supporter of everything that was trendy in America in the 1960s—the marvelous effects of LSD and other psychedelic drugs, pyramid power, various oriental religious cults, transcendental meditation, UFOs and extraterrestrials, CIA conspiracies, you name it—this does not, I repeat, does not mean that cultural tradition has never contributed a single thing to the advancement of knowledge or understanding. This is a common fallacy held by judgmental mendicants.

Some of my acquaintances express the view that the most believable explanation for many of the destructive trends in politics, economics, morality, and other key areas over the past two years is that a secretive, incredibly disgraceful, well-organized movement has been striving relentlessly to take a condescending cheap shot at a person that most salacious, rummy insurrectionists will never be in a position to condescend to. Others express the view that what Tachi is doing falls just short of giving handguns to schoolchildren. I am prepared to offer a cheer and a half for each view; together, they paint a sufficiently complete picture of Tachi to warrant a full three cheers. Just like dirty clothes on the floor and cluttered closets, his mess won't go away if we simply look the other way. I don't just contend that as peremptory as it might sound, by overusing such obscure words as "sphygmomanometric" and "establishmentarianism" he consistently manages to alienate his audience; I can back that up with facts. For instance, ignorance is bliss. This may be why his squadristi are generally all smiles.

While I trust that this audience shares my indignation at Tachi, if Tachi were to use more accessible language then a larger number of people would be able to understand what he's saying. The downside for Tachi, of course, is that a larger number of people would also understand that I could write a hundred letters about how everything he tells you is a lie. I can tell innumerable stories about his desire to pander to moonstruck used-car salesmen. And I can show you that as soon as his cringers draw unsuspecting nonentities into the orbit of scary bums, their blandishments will cease to disabuse him of the notion that university professors must conform their theses and conclusions to his socially inept prejudices if they want to publish papers and advance their careers and instead will intensify race hatred. Regardless of what I actually do, however, for some strange reason, Tachi is worried he'll be disenfranchised and shunned by the most batty mouthpieces for delusional corporatism you'll ever see. And that's why I'm writing this letter; this is my manifesto, if you will, on how to stop the Huns at the gate. There's no way I can do that alone, and there's no way I can do it without first stating that he says he's going to have a serious destabilizing effect on our institutions before long. Good old Tachi. He just loves to open his mouth and let all kinds of things come out without listening to how pudibund they sound.

Tachi and I are as different as chalk and cheese. He, for instance, wants to plant the seeds of parasitism into the tabulae rasae of children's minds. I, on the other hand, want to declare a truce with Tachi and commence a dialogue. That's why I need to tell you that he avers that it's sullen to express our concerns about his nutty, reprehensible squibs. As you can no doubt determine from comments like that, facts and Tachi are like oil and water.

Tachi's rhetorical performances could profitably be deconstructed in a Dishonest Use of Language class. (Actually, it is our responsibility to ourselves, to our posterity, to our ancestors, and to the God of Nature, which made us what we are, to reach the broadest possible audience with the message that Tachi's screeds are as troubling as his insistence that our country's security, prestige, and financial interests are best served by war and the ever-present threat of war, but that's not important now.) Tachi's contrivances are eerily similar to those promoted by madmen such as Pol Pot. What's scary, though, is that their extollment of animalism has been ratcheted up a few notches from anything Pol Pot ever conjured up. If I didn't sincerely believe that we stand to lose far more than we'll ever gain if we don't examine the social and cultural conditions that lead Tachi to paint people of different races and cultures as domineering alien forces undermining the coherent national will, then I wouldn't be writing this letter. Look at what's happened since he first ordered his drones to make my worst nightmares come true: Views once considered self-deceiving are now considered ordinary. Views once considered illogical are now considered perfectly normal. And the most blasphemous of Tachi's views are now seen as gospel by legions of huffy malefactors.

If you read between the lines of Tachi's platitudes, you'll definitely find that Tachi maintains that he would sooner give up money, fame, power, and happiness than perform a jackbooted act. This is complete—or at least, incomplete—baloney. For instance, Tachi fails to mention that no one has a higher opinion of him than I, and I think he's a noxious menace. Before I continue, let me state that teenagers who want to shock their parents sometimes maintain—with a straight face—that there's no difference between normal people like you and me and vitriolic, oleaginous jokers. Fortunately, most parents don't fall for this fraud because they know that many people who follow Tachi's ideals have come to the erroneous conclusion that Tachi acts in the name of equality and social justice. The stark truth of the matter is that if we let him erect a shrine of academicism, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. As coprophagous as Tachi's musings are, Tachi is hell-bent on establishing a world government complete with a world army, a world parliament, a world court, and numerous other agencies that contravene decency. An obvious parallel from a different context is that there's something fishy about Tachi's accusations. I think he's up to something, something longiloquent and perhaps even testy.

Tachi never stops boasting about his generous contributions to charitable causes. As far as I can tell, however, his claimed magnanimousness is entirely chimerical, and, furthermore, when I hear Tachi say that he has his moral compass in tact, I have to wonder about him. Is he completely obscene? Is he simply being condescending? Or is he merely embracing a delusion in which he must believe in order to continue believing in himself? I'm sure you already know the answer so I won't bother repeating it. I'd like to emphasize, however, that it is more than a purely historical question to ask, "How did Tachi's reign of terror start?" or even the more urgent question, "How might it end?". No, we must ask, "To what degree is Tachi going to poison the air, water, and soil?" Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we? In case you don't, you should note that he is driving me nuts. I can't take it anymore!

I myself support those who devote their life to education and activism. It is through their tireless efforts that people everywhere are learning that Tachi is a hard worker. He works hard to prevent anyone from commenting on his stubborn biases. This is of course most illuminating, but what if we wish to engage rather in eristic search for truth, or in heuristic debate, or perhaps in paromologetic illation? In my experience, Tachi's apothegms all stem from one, simple, faulty premise—that he has mystical powers of divination and prophecy. People often get the impression that brusque peculators and Tachi's thralls are separate entities. Not so. When one catches cold, the other sneezes. As proof, note that Tachi's dangerous précis bring to mind the maxim that I could make an argument for the idea that crafty nepotism is Tachi's quiddity. But that's not all: Perhaps one day we will live in a world where good people are not troubled by fear of revolting serpents. Until that day arrives, however, we must spread the word that Tachi has a natural talent for complaining. He can find any aspect of life and whine about it for hours upon hours. As a parting thought, let these sterling words of wisdom be most thoroughly and attentively perused: Tachi has overplayed his hand so grossly that people are starting to realize that no one of any intelligence believes that he defends the real needs of the working class.
 
lol did you pull a report from a labour speech against david cameron and just spent the past 2 hours changing the words to "Tachi"

The whole thing had me laughing from start to finish, hope you didn't spend too much type on a letter generator ;)

Anyway, Chazzy chaz, no to grease.... just no.
 
Yeah, I was buying it at first, believing Aion actually became a wordsmith, but then this was the giveaway sentence for me: "For example, when I say that it is legitimate to have misgivings about lazy Tachi clones who violate values so important to our sense of community...".

Of course, a quick scan says he also discussed 1960s America and aliens.
 
I think it's understandable to have anxieties towards Britians Muslim Population as we have become a wash with un acountable immigration with no controls and our democracy overruled by the European union and years of multi cultureisum to wipe out Britian's White British population to futher a sinister cause eroding our Freedoms just Control us.

i've gone off topic

I may sound like a nutter but that might be becasue i am.
 
Here's the best bit:

I say that one of Tachi's most loyal protégés is known to have remarked, "75 million years ago, a galactic tyrant named Xenu solved the overpopulation problem of his 76-planet federation by transporting the excess people to Earth, chaining them to volcanoes, and dropping H-bombs on them.
 
AironicallyHuman said:
75 million years ago, a galactic tyrant named Xenu solved the overpopulation problem of his 76-planet federation by transporting the excess people to Earth, chaining them to volcanoes, and dropping H-bombs on them.
A spaceman came traveling on his ship from afar.
'Twas light years of time since his mission did start.
And over a village he halted his craft,
And it hung in the sky like a star…


I'm starting to warm to this year's festivities.
 
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